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LamarkNewAge Member Posts: 2313 Joined: |
Multiple scriptures describe a watery origin.
Here is John Chrysostom (who was as responsible as anybody for the very Biblical Canon itself)
quote: The flat earth theory had supporters too. Flat Earth - Wikipedia There will be a response using certain arguments based on the Genesis order: 1 "in the beginning God created the heavens and the EARTH" before there was a mentioning of water. 2 and then water was placed on the land from the very start. 3 then the land reappeared after water was moved around. (the waters being above and below the "firmament" get explained away as do the stars being placed in the firmament) Edited by LamarkNewAge, : No reason given.
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LamarkNewAge Member Posts: 2313 Joined: |
First Genesis 1.
(Job 26:10 will come later) The World Council of Churches, United States Conference of Catholic Bishops, and others have Bible translations that translate the (King James) "firmament" as "dome". New American Bible - Wikipedia The NAB is the only translation approved for Mass. From the entire first page.
quote: Here are the relevant Genesis verses.
quote: The NRSV is the translation of the biggest Protestant group of churches. New Revised Standard Version - Wikipedia I will skip quoting this, since it can be found online. It uses "dome". Here is a translation using dome
quote: Here is a very evangelical commentary
quote: The translation "expanse" is used in the NASB. For every place "firmament" is used in the King James, which used the Latin Vulgate word (firmamentum) for its translation. The "dome" translation is another possibility. All come from the exact same Hebrew word. So, when you see "expanse" in the NASB (where "dome" is used in the verses above), know that it all is from the same Hebrew word in ALL THE VERSES. Many Creationists have this "vapor canopy" theory, but they don't seem to understand that there is no difference between the Hebrew word (translated and used as "firmament" in the King James) in Genesis 1:6-7 and 1:17. Here is an example of confusion. (page 42 quotes from 2 Peter 3, but note the last sentence I quote)
quote: So, the Sun was outside the Canopy? After mentioning 550 uses of heaven in Greek and Hebrew (ouranos and shamayim) on page 13, here is the entire text of page 14.
quote: This book uses the NASB for all scriptural quotations. The index shows page 14 (which I entirely quoted) as the only page that quotes from anything in Genesis 1. ("1:14,16-17" specifically). Job 15:15 is the only Job verse, and it is irrelevant. "expanse" is the translation in the NASB for the earlier verses 6 and 7 (which the book only alludes to, in the page 42 quote above, but never mentions again), which is the typical "Vapor Canopy" set of verses creationists imagine (however, Jospephus had a ice canopy interpretation as well). There is a hair splitting when the exact same "expanse" in seen to be 2 totally different expanses. The fact is that the same expanse/firmament/canopy/dome that contains the Sun, Moon, and stars also held the waters above from the waters below. There isn't another totally different expanse/firmament/canopy that is closer to the earth than an OUTSIDE Sun, according to Genesis 1. NOW JOB 26:10
quote: A circle comes out of the waters? What this is, will be proved later, when we visit Isaiah 40:22. More translations:
quote: quote: NKJV JOB 26:10 He drew a circular horizon on the face of the waters. At the boundary of light and darkness
[/quote] A "circular horizon" from the New King James Version. Clearly flat, then. But what is this flat circular horizon around? Isaiah 40:22 King James vesion
quote: The flat circle which has a "horizon" (New King James) around it is the "earth" according to the King James. Just like Genesis strongly indicates.
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LamarkNewAge Member Posts: 2313 Joined: |
First Genesis 1.
(Job 26:10 will come later) The World Council of Churches, United States Conference of Catholic Bishops, and others have Bible translations that translate the (King James) "firmament" as "dome". New American Bible - Wikipedia The NAB is the only translation approved for Mass. From the entire first page.
quote: Here are the relevant Genesis verses.
quote: The NRSV is the translation of the biggest Protestant group of churches. New Revised Standard Version - Wikipedia I will skip quoting this, since it can be found online. It uses "dome". Here is a translation using dome
quote: Here is a very evangelical commentary
quote: The translation "expanse" is used in the NASB. For every place "firmament" is used in the King James, which used the Latin Vulgate word (firmamentum) for its translation. The "dome" translation is another possibility. All come from the exact same Hebrew word. So, when you see "expanse" in the NASB (where "dome" is used in the verses above), know that it all is from the same Hebrew word in ALL THE VERSES. Many Creationists have this "vapor canopy" theory, but they don't seem to understand that there is no difference between the Hebrew word (translated and used as "firmament" in the King James) in Genesis 1:6-7 and 1:17. Here is an example of confusion. (page 42 quotes from 2 Peter 3, but note the last sentence I quote)
quote: So, the Sun was outside the Canopy? After mentioning 550 uses of heaven in Greek and Hebrew (ouranos and shamayim) on page 13, here is the entire text of page 14.
quote: This book uses the NASB for all scriptural quotations. The index shows page 14 (which I entirely quoted) as the only page that quotes from anything in Genesis 1. ("1:14,16-17" specifically). Job 15:15 is the only Job verse, and it is irrelevant. "expanse" is the translation in the NASB for the earlier verses 6 and 7 (which the book only alludes to, in the page 42 quote above, but never mentions again), which is the typical "Vapor Canopy" set of verses creationists imagine (however, Jospephus had a ice canopy interpretation as well). There is a hair splitting when the exact same "expanse" in seen to be 2 totally different expanses. The fact is that the same expanse/firmament/canopy/dome that contains the Sun, Moon, and stars also held the waters above from the waters below. There isn't another totally different expanse/firmament/canopy that is closer to the earth than an OUTSIDE Sun, according to Genesis 1. NOW JOB 26:10
quote: A circle comes out of the waters? What this is, will be proved later, when we visit Isaiah 40:22. More translations:
quote: quote: NKJV JOB 26:10 He drew a circular horizon on the face of the waters. At the boundary of light and darkness
[/quote] A "circular horizon" from the New King James Version. Clearly flat, then. But what is this flat circular horizon around? Isaiah 40:22 King James vesion
quote: The flat circle which has a "horizon" (New King James) around it is the "earth" according to the King James. Just like Genesis strongly indicates.
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