Gun Control III

Those people who died in Florida and Las Vegas and Pittsburgh aren't really able to have an opinion to offer. They don't even live in America anymore. Wonder if that's a good thing (for them).

WELL SAID, WELL SAID!!!!!!!!

Maybe you need to listen to your favorite poem! There is still hope, Tangle.

Hi Pressie

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Hebrews 9:27 And as it is appointed unto men once to die, but after this the judgment:

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Everybody believes the first part of that quote but don't want to accept that fact. So they are trying every way possible to figure out how to cheat the death angel.The second part of that quote no one wants to believe so they have decided to relegate God to the dust bin of myths and refuse to believe in Him.Just about everyone here are concerned with those who die from assault style weapons forgetting that we must die due to some cause.
Every 4 seconds 7 people die.
Every 60 seconds 105 people die.
Every hour 6,316 people die.
Every day 151,600 people die.
Every year 55.3 million people die.
Every year 40 to 50 million pregnancies are terminated.Where is the outrage about all these deaths?Everyone is going to die it is just a matter of how and when.God Bless,

Hi Percy, I live in Florida. I open carry when hunting and fishing. The rest of the time you don't know if I am carrying or not.It makes no difference whether a state has background checks or not. It is a Federal law that all licensed gun dealers run a background check prior to turning a weapon over to a buyer.The same goes for buying a gun online. It has to be shipped to a licensed dealer who runs the background check before delivery of the weapon to the purchaser.In 28 states there are exemption from a background check for CC license holders and the exemptions vary from state to state.Florida does not have an exemption so every time I purchase a gun I have to go through the background check. No. Because the crooks don't go to a licensed dealer to purchase a gun. So the guns they use would not be registered. Most weapons they use have been stolen from different entities. What lie does Trump tell?
I was there when the following happened.Didn't the Democrats promise Reagan that they would close the border if he would grant amnesty to 2.7 million illegal aliens in 1986?They got the amnesty but did nothing to shut the border. They have had plenty of opportunities to keep that promise in the last 32 years.So you tell me why I should believe they have changed their mind and are now for closing the border?If they are not for closing the border then they are for open borders so Trump is not lying.God Bless,

He is good isn't he?

Congratulations on avoiding the question. You said you were at a gun show where they had 25 people doing background checks, and I asked if you were in favor of background checks for all gun sales, mentioning that laws about background checks at gun shows vary by state. You replied about everything but gun shows.So you live in Florida, which has no law requiring background checks. Of course any federally licensed gun seller must conduct a background check whether it's at a Florida gun show or not, but no background check is required for private sales in Florida. Gee, I wonder from whom a gun buyer who knew he wouldn't pass a background check would buy a firearm?So let's see if you can answer the question this time: Are you in favor of background checks for all gun sales?We already know you're against effective gun registration. You're wrong again. Most unjustified homicides are not committed by criminals - they're committed by law abiding citizens, or at least they were law abiding up to that point. Say a guy gets annoyed at the loud music from next door, takes his gun, and kills his neighbor. The police have no clues until they look up the rifling in the registry database and discover the gun is registered to the next door neighbor. Crime solved.Or how about the recent disappearance of Jayme Kloss. What if her parents murderer used a gun registered to him? What if he stole the gun from a neighbor where he lived, which would considerably narrow down the search? What lie doesn't Trump tell? If his lips are moving he's lying. The Washington Post keeps a database of Trump falsehoods and misleading statements which is at 6420 and counting to this point in his presidency.One of the lies that Trump likes to tell the most at his campaign rallies is that Democrats want open borders. Even the most rabid Trumpublican, assuming he's informed, would know that's not true. No, you were not there. You were alive at the time, but you were not there. You're misremembering. It looks like you're talking about the Immigration Reform and Control Act of 1986, signed into law by Reagan in November of 1986. No one ever wanted the border closed or would want the border closed, not the Republicans or the Democrats. What idiot would want to shut the border? Neither the Democrats nor the Republicans want or has ever wanted the borders closed, not at any time during the last 32 years or at any time before going back to the nation's beginning.Republicans have controlled the presidency and both houses of Congress for the last two years. If they really wanted to do something as stupid as closing the borders then the Democrats could not have stopped them. Why do you keep repeating the same insane stuff. Nobody wants or has ever wanted to close the borders, and if Republicans really wanted to close the borders then they have it within their power to do it. They don't need Democrats.But Trump *is* lying when he says Democrats are for open borders. They are not. No one is for open borders, and no one is for closed borders. Why do you keep saying such moronic things?The reality is that Democrats are as much for border security as Republicans, but they understand that walls are an ineffective way of achieving it. More effective border security would involve greater use of technology, improved data sharing and cooperation with Mexican authorities, helping Central American countries address the economic and criminal issues that drive illegal immigration, and increased manpower, training and equipment, including for the Coast Guard.--PercyEdited by Percy, : Grammar.

Your so-called answer to my post doesn't make any sense.

It isn't an opinion. It's a fact, as evidenced by the statistics cited in this thread. As I said, the constitutional right to bear arms doesn't give you the moral right to blow people's heads off - any more than the legal right to own slaves gave people the moral right.

Thirteen people were killed in a shooting at the Borderline Bar & Grill in Thousand Oaks, California. A Sheriff's deputy is among the dead, as is the suspected gunman. Only one handgun has been found so far. More as details become available: 13 Dead Including Gunman in Shooting at California BarIt was college night at the Borderline, which was offering country two-step lessons. A number of students from Pepperdine were present.This is late breaking news, more as it comes in.AbE1: Washington Post article: 12 people killed, including sheriff’s deputy, in ‘horrific’ California bar shooting, police sayThe gunman was tall with a black hoodie. He stopped to load a new magazine at least once.--PercyEdited by Percy, : ABE1.

A statistical fact tells you about a number of samples. It does not tell you a "fact" about the specific case.The statistics tell you that in a population possessing guns those that have them in the house are in the sub-population that will have more gun incidents than the sub population that doesn't.It doesn't tell you a fact about one individual.My mother and I used to endlessly argue about smoking. I couldn't say that she would for sure get lung cancer (it killed her in the end but at 89) all I could say was there were two large groups of people out there and one had many fewer deaths from various cancers. I couldn't say for a fact that going over to join one would mean I wouldn't get cancer but I could say it seemed like a reasonably bet to join the that seemed to be doing better.You can't tell ICANT that he is less safe with a gun in the house as a fact for him based on population statistics.But what he should ask himself is, having chosen to join a population that is demonstratively less safe, why should he think he isn't subject to whatever causes them to be less safe.The fact is he has chosen to put himself and his family and friends into a factually less safe group of people without knowing if he is someone different from that population so that the statistics of the population don't apply. Edited by NosyNed, : No reason given.

I don't mean to say that ICANT is less safe - though he probably is. I mean to say that everybody around him is less safe because of his careless attitude toward gun safety.

The relevant fact is that he is statistically more at risk at home with a gun than without one (if, indeed, that's what they say).It's a statement of the obvious that statistics can't guarantee an individual event - they're probabilities.

Another day, another pile of the needlessly dead.
Another chance for the slathering gun lobby, obese with cash, to argue for yet looser gun controls, and for the profitable sale of yet more guns to untrained teachers/bar staff/ hell, everyone - because then every John Wayne there would (naturally) be able to stop the murderer (even though in this case, two highly trained and experienced police officers on the scene were not able to). Because the gun lobby gives not the slightest crap about anyone's life - deaths are just another opportunity to make yet more money.I give it half a day before sombre faced hypocrites spout the trite "thoughts and prayers."Empty words, that come in pairs.

Here's a little information about the gun used in the mass shooting at the Borderline Bar & Grill. It was a .45 caliber Glock 21 semi-automatic fitted with an extended 30 round magazine, purchased legally. I don't know what type of bullets were used. See Thousand Oaks shooting: What we know about the massacre at Borderline Bar and Grill for a lot more information.This is more evidence (as if more were needed) that guns shouldn't be available to the general population. They are too dangerous. Single-shot hunting rifles, that's it, and I'm not enthusiastic about them either.I saw the statistical discussion above about the overall versus the individual. I'll just add that when you talk to gun nuts they'll all tell you they're way above average in safety, gun maintenance and accuracy, and that the statistics don't apply to them. But even if a gun enthusiast were the most sure-handed, mentally acute and determinedly careful person in the world, that doesn't mean they could never suffer a mental breakdown, a decline in nervous function, an anger attack, a mistake in judgment, a finger flinch, a brain illness, a high fever causing hallucinations, a senior moment, a slow general decline that goes unnoticed because it is so slow (true of all us), etc.Those last couple examples were age-related. I believe keeping your guns as you age should be the hardest thing in the world, certainly much more difficult than retaining your driver's license.--PercyEdited by Percy, : Add "purchased legally," info from a NYT article.Edited by Percy, : Grammar.