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Author Topic:   Importance of Original Sin
ringo
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Message 1183 of 1198 (842309)
10-29-2018 11:38 AM
Reply to: Message 1182 by Faith
10-29-2018 4:26 AM


Re: Tangles Basic Belief
Faith writes:
All I've said as far as I know is that if I am forced to do anything that validates gay marriage I won't do it.
That's what I said. You're willing to defy the law.
Faith writes:
As far as I know there isn't yet a legal challenge requiring anyonee to validate homosexuality as a normal sexual alternative....
That's right. Baking a cake doesn't "validate" anything but cake.
Faith writes:
I will certainly not obey your perverted definition of love of neighbor, however.
There's nothing "perverted" about it. It's in the story of the Good Samaritan.

And our geese will blot out the sun.

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ringo
Member (Idle past 412 days)
Posts: 20940
From: frozen wasteland
Joined: 03-23-2005


Message 1185 of 1198 (842330)
10-29-2018 3:31 PM
Reply to: Message 1184 by Faith
10-29-2018 2:47 PM


Re: Tangles Basic Belief
Faith writes:
Yes I'm willing to defy the law when it defies God.
quote:
Romans 13:1-4 Let every soul be subject unto the higher powers. For there is no power but of God: the powers that be are ordained of God. Whosoever therefore resisteth the power, resisteth the ordinance of God: and they that resist shall receive to themselves damnation. For rulers are not a terror to good works, but to the evil. Wilt thou then not be afraid of the power? do that which is good, and thou shalt have praise of the same: For he is the minister of God to thee for good. But if thou do that which is evil, be afraid; for he beareth not the sword in vain: for he is the minister of God, a revenger to execute wrath upon him that doeth evil.

And our geese will blot out the sun.

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ringo
Member (Idle past 412 days)
Posts: 20940
From: frozen wasteland
Joined: 03-23-2005


Message 1187 of 1198 (842426)
10-31-2018 1:28 PM
Reply to: Message 1186 by Faith
10-30-2018 3:45 PM


Re: obeying the laws
Faith writes:
The Bible is very clear that where human law conflicts with God we are not to obey the human law.
I quoted where it says exactly the opposite. Clearly it isn't as "clear" as you pretend.
And of course, what we're talking about here is loving thy homosexual neighbour as thyself. Jesus said that all of the law hangs on that.

And our geese will blot out the sun.

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ringo
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Posts: 20940
From: frozen wasteland
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Message 1189 of 1198 (842522)
11-02-2018 12:08 PM
Reply to: Message 1188 by Faith
11-01-2018 4:34 PM


Re: obeying the laws
Faith writes:
It isn't loving one's neighbor as oneself to deceive him that he is OK with God when in fact he is practicing sin.
Loving your neighbour doesn't involve judging him at all. Love is unconditional.

And our geese will blot out the sun.

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ringo
Member (Idle past 412 days)
Posts: 20940
From: frozen wasteland
Joined: 03-23-2005


Message 1191 of 1198 (842647)
11-04-2018 1:10 PM
Reply to: Message 1190 by Faith
11-02-2018 7:47 PM


Re: obeying the laws
Faith writes:
What the devil told Eve as a matter of fact: no problem, sin won't kill you, naaaa, it will make you wise like God, it's good for you.
God confirmed what the serpent said. They did become more like Him.
But that has nothing to do with the post you're responding to. I pointed out that loving your neighbour doesn't permit you to judge his actions.

And our geese will blot out the sun.

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ringo
Member (Idle past 412 days)
Posts: 20940
From: frozen wasteland
Joined: 03-23-2005


Message 1193 of 1198 (842755)
11-07-2018 11:38 AM
Reply to: Message 1192 by Faith
11-06-2018 3:15 PM


Re: obeying the laws
Faith writes:
loving my neighbor may precisely require me to judge his actions
Blatantly false.
quote:
Matthew7:1-5 Judge not, that ye be not judged. For with what judgment ye judge, ye shall be judged: and with what measure ye mete, it shall be measured to you again. And why beholdest thou the mote that is in thy brother's eye, but considerest not the beam that is in thine own eye? Or how wilt thou say to thy brother, Let me pull out the mote out of thine eye; and, behold, a beam is in thine own eye? Thou hypocrite, first cast out the beam out of thine own eye; and then shalt thou see clearly to cast out the mote out of thy brother's eye.

And our geese will blot out the sun.

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ringo
Member (Idle past 412 days)
Posts: 20940
From: frozen wasteland
Joined: 03-23-2005


Message 1195 of 1198 (842783)
11-08-2018 10:46 AM
Reply to: Message 1194 by Faith
11-07-2018 5:41 PM


Re: obeying the laws
Faith writes:
In the same chapter of Luke 6 and in the very same discourse as the famous "judge not" statement, Jesus talks about having the discernment to see the difference between good people and evil people (Luke 6:43-45). He compares them to trees. Good trees, he says, produce good fruit and bad trees produce bad fruit. The call to differentiate good from evil is to judge, to discern, correctly.
The good and corrupt trees are meant to refer to YOU and YOUR fruit. I have pointed that out to you before:
quote:
John 15:1 I am the true vine, and my Father is the husbandman. Every branch in me that beareth not fruit he taketh away: and every branch that beareth fruit, he purgeth it, that it may bring forth more fruit.
It is the Father who judges/discerns.

And our geese will blot out the sun.

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ringo
Member (Idle past 412 days)
Posts: 20940
From: frozen wasteland
Joined: 03-23-2005


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Message 1197 of 1198 (843209)
11-14-2018 2:32 PM
Reply to: Message 1196 by Astrophile
11-13-2018 5:57 PM


Re: obeying the laws
Astrophile writes:
After all, he was a carpenter, so I should have expected him to think of good and bad trees chiefly in terms of the quality and usefulness of their wood rather than of the edibility of their fruit.
"Every two-by-four in me that beareth knot-holes he taketh away...."

And our geese will blot out the sun.

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