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JonF
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Message 151 of 5796 (843181)
11-14-2018 8:14 AM
Reply to: Message 142 by Faith
11-13-2018 5:36 PM


Re: Not Honest nor Straightforward
So, to summarize, trurh doesn't matter. Only the right wing echo chamber of hate matters.
Glad you cleared that up. This seems apropos:

Edited by JonF, : No reason given.

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JonF
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Message 152 of 5796 (843182)
11-14-2018 8:21 AM
Reply to: Message 143 by Percy
11-13-2018 5:42 PM


Re: Not Honest nor Straightforward
Not everyone is in favor of legal immigration. Stephen Miller

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JonF
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Message 153 of 5796 (843183)
11-14-2018 8:29 AM
Reply to: Message 147 by Hyroglyphx
11-13-2018 7:22 PM


Re: Bizarre-O World
Democrats defending Russia??

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Percy
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Message 154 of 5796 (843185)
11-14-2018 9:01 AM


Why Nationalism is Bad
Nationalism is bad for more than one reason, but the most important is that it subordinates other country's interests to one's own. That's what Hitler did. Germany's interests were greater than Austria's, so he annexed it. Germany's interests were greater than the Czechoslovakia's, so he annexed Sudetenland. That wasn't enough, so he later took the rest of Czechoslovakia by marching his troops in. That wasn't enough either, so he next took a chunk out of Lithuania. All this in the name of nationalism, often supported by the German expression lebensraum, loosely translated as a need for living space.
This brought an end to territory Hitler could acquire by relatively peaceful means. The next step was the invasion of Poland which brought about, because of Polish mutual defense treaties with Great Britain and France (among others), the beginning of World War II.
Trump's brand of nationalism isn't leading to war, at least not yet, but it is leading to isolation. Trump's rallying cries of "America First" and "Nationalism" actually translate to America Alone. European powers are can see how Trump is implementing his nationalism, that it means acting self-interestedly and unilaterally without regard to the rest of the world community, and they're coming to understand that America is no longer a reliable ally. A popular proposal at the recent Paris summit was for a European army outside NATO so that Europe could have a defense force they could depend upon.
Here are a few excepts from Trump refuses to acknowledge the fraught history of nationalism:
quote:
Macron called nationalism a dangerous trap and the opposite of patriotism while invoking the bloodiest episodes of 20th-century European history.
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The taunts on Twitter showed again that Trump refuses to entertain arguments about the baggage that nationalism carries or show any signs that he is troubled by the historical antecedents to the rise of Nazism in Europe and its overlap with modern racists who call themselves white nationalists.
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In fact, in his tweetstorm against Macron, Trump invoked the Nazi march across Europe the very event the French president had warned of when he spoke about nationalism.
Emmanuel Macron suggests building its own army to protect Europe against the U.S., China and Russia. But it was Germany in World Wars One & Two - How did that work out for France? They were starting to learn German in Paris before the U.S. came along. Pay for NATO or not! Trump wrote.
That last paragraph illustrates Trump's profound ignorance of history as he invokes Nazi nationalism as a reason that France should adopt the same attitudes, while at the same time misunderstanding Macron's own comments which definitely had not suggested that Europe needing protection against the US.
This next excerpt shows the link white nationalists are making to Trump's advocacy of nationalism:
quote:
They have a word, it sort of became old-fashioned, it’s called a nationalist, he said. And I say, ‘Really, we’re not supposed to use that word.’ You know what I am? I’m a nationalist, okay? I’m a nationalist. Nothing wrong. Use that word. Use that word.
Trump’s use of the term was cheered by former Ku Klux Klan leader David Duke, who tweeted that Trump was really referring to white nationalism.
There is no ethnic or racial group in America more Nationalist than White Americans, Duke wrote.
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I generally see a progression on the part of the president to becoming more reckless, to really articulate controversial, outlandish things without regard to the consequences, Lichtman said. The more outlandish things he says, the more cheers he gets at his rallies and that’s what he cares about.
--Percy

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Percy
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Message 155 of 5796 (843187)
11-14-2018 9:08 AM
Reply to: Message 151 by JonF
11-14-2018 8:14 AM


Re: Not Honest nor Straightforward
There's some problem with your YouTube link, can you check the URL?
--Percy

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JonF
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Message 156 of 5796 (843189)
11-14-2018 9:53 AM
Reply to: Message 155 by Percy
11-14-2018 9:08 AM


Re: Not Honest nor Straightforward
Fixed. It's hard to copy and paste on a phone.

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ooh-child
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Message 157 of 5796 (843195)
11-14-2018 12:27 PM
Reply to: Message 142 by Faith
11-13-2018 5:36 PM


Re: Not Honest nor Straightforward
It's nothing but fingerpointing and hatemongering and character assassination from your side, it's going to destroy the country
What's destroying the country is willful ignorance of truth, and since you admit maybe half of what I say is the truth, it looks like your kind taking a wrecking ball to the United States.
We used to be able to debate based on facts in this country. Folks like you make that impossible these days.

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Faith 
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Message 158 of 5796 (843196)
11-14-2018 12:41 PM
Reply to: Message 157 by ooh-child
11-14-2018 12:27 PM


Re: Not Honest nor Straightforward
Well if I leave, which I keep being on the verge of doing, you won't have anyone to debate with at all. Maybe that's the best thing anyway. I don't even know which "facts" I supposedly agreed with, I'm just so depressed over the thinking of the Left I don't care. Facts get swallowed up into the Leftist processor anyway and come out so distorted by destructive ideology their being facts doesn't mean much to me. I don't get why people on the Left can't see it but they can't and there doesn't seem to be anything anyone can do about it. So you blame me and I blame you and that's the end of it. End of everything unfortunately.
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Faith 
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Message 159 of 5796 (843197)
11-14-2018 12:49 PM
Reply to: Message 154 by Percy
11-14-2018 9:01 AM


Re: Why Nationalism is Bad
Nationalism is bad for more than one reason, but the most important is that it subordinates other country's interests to one's own. That's what Hitler did.
Which is one of the reasons why "nationalism" is not the best word for what Trump means, as I said. It depends on which nation is using the term. Putting American interests first does not subordinate the interests of other nations in that way at all, in fact American interests have to be strone for us to be of any help to other nations.
Trump may be ignorant of some things and should be straightened out about them, but he is not a supporter of Nazism or white nationalism.

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Message 160 of 5796 (843198)
11-14-2018 12:58 PM
Reply to: Message 149 by Percy
11-13-2018 9:28 PM


Re: Dan Crenshaw Has a Message For Faith
The Right has been singing the praises of Crenshaw already for his very gracious attitude of forgiveness of SNL for mocking his war wound. I don't think I can agree with the opinion piece by him that you post though. If he wanted to point out that the "ist" and "ism" that are the problem are the Leftist "racism" and "sexism" and the like, I would have no problem with it except to suggest he add some words that end in "phobe" to identify the leftist political correctness which is character assassination and intimidation. And it is the Left that attacks people's motivations. But the terms "leftist" and "leftism" refer to ideology, not personal character, and are necessary for keeping a body of thought on the table which is the problem from the point of view of the Right. The debate should be kept on the level of ideology.
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JonF
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Message 161 of 5796 (843205)
11-14-2018 1:39 PM
Reply to: Message 160 by Faith
11-14-2018 12:58 PM


Re: Dan Crenshaw Has a Message For Faith
Good idea. When are you going to start?

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xongsmith
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Message 162 of 5796 (843210)
11-14-2018 3:39 PM
Reply to: Message 160 by Faith
11-14-2018 12:58 PM


Re: Dan Crenshaw Has a Message For Faith
Faith, do you suffer from dyslexia? Seems you don't know the left from the right. That's the only way I can explain your posts.
Edited by xongsmith, : left out a right word

- xongsmith, 5.7d

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PaulK
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Message 163 of 5796 (843211)
11-14-2018 4:08 PM
Reply to: Message 112 by Faith
11-11-2018 7:35 PM


Re: An Antifa Supporter speaks
quote:
however, I found this little gem. This guy who is a supporter of Antifa and a college professor, God help us, and I mean that, if this is a college professor we really need God's help. He justifies Antifa violence on the ground that "the community has a right to defend themselves against against people who they consider to be a threat" or something like that,
That is rather questionable. Carlson was badgering him at that point and obviously trying to get him to say that, and he obviously preferred peaceful protest.. And let us remember that he is explicitly talking about people who want to eliminate a large proportion of the population. To what extent would Jews have the right to resist another Hitler ?
(To be honest I think that Mossad would assassinate a second Hitler if he looked like getting anywhere.)
quote:
but the point is they justify violence against perfectly innocent people, people who are doing nothing, but probably white people because some white people used to be racists against blacks
THAT is certainly NOT in the interview. He was clearly talking about violent extremists. Richard Spencer is not perfectly innocent. If he isn’t an actual Nazi he’s too damn close.
quote:
That's my attempt to understand his ridiculous logic
Which rather obviously has nothing to do with what he said. Why is that Faith . Why do you have to invent these things ?

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Message 164 of 5796 (843213)
11-14-2018 5:00 PM
Reply to: Message 100 by Faith
11-11-2018 5:46 PM


Re: Did the intern accost Acosta or did he accost her?
Faith writes:
You know this is a lie but it serves to smear me and that's all that matters. That's all leftists ever do. Acosta deserved to be thrown out of the WH, he was grandstanding and accusing the President and not asking a legitimate question and then refused to yield the mike when told to and asked yet another question while other reporters had to wait. They don't like him either by the way. His right to his views is hardly impinged by the requirement that he behave civillly like a journalist in the WH. And now of course he's getting to pollute the whole country with his "views" as he takes them to liberal talk shows and all the rest of the left-infested media.
So you accuse Democrats of being fascist, and then go on a tirade against the press who happen to ask question of your Dear Leader. Do you have any self awareness?

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Percy
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Message 165 of 5796 (843221)
11-14-2018 8:50 PM


The Migrant Caravan Has Arrived
After hearing over and over again that the migrant caravan is hundreds of miles away, after reading they were still in Mexico City, today's New York Times reports that the migrant caravan has reached the US border in Tijuana. The caravan must be stretched out over an enormous distance, like about a thousand miles. The article places the number that has arrived at 800. Some excerpts:
quote:
Mr. Trump has labeled the caravan an invasion, deployed American soldiers to the border and made changes to asylum rules in efforts to confront it.
A few of the migrants who have made it to Tijuana were already trying to figure out how to get appointments with American border officials to present their cases for sanctuary, migrants’ advocates said. Most, however, appear to be biding their time and considering their options, including seeking sanctuary in the United States, trying to cross illegally or remaining in Mexico.
About 800 migrants associated with the caravan have made it to Tijuana so far, according to local officials and advocates, with thousands more still crossing Mexico and expected to arrive in the next several days.
If reports about the migrant caravan only recently leaving Mexico City were true, then that last paragraph about thousands arriving in the next several days could not possibly be true.
quote:
Mr. Trump has come under fire from critics who accuse him of stoking fears about the migrant caravan as a threat to get Republicans to the polls for the midterm elections. He has not tweeted about the caravan since the elections on Nov. 6.
Not only has Trump not mentioned the migrant caravan since the midterms, he hasn't mentioned that tax cut, either. He is such a liar.
quote:
Another 2,400 migrants associated with two other separate caravans were in Mexico City on Wednesday, according to Nashieli Ramrez, the president of the city’s human rights commission. That group was staying in a vast temporary shelter set up in a sports stadium.
Oh, I see, the migrant caravan is actually three separate caravans. That explains why some are in Mexico City and some in Tijuana. Notice how compassionately Mexico is behaving toward people fleeing death and destitution, housing them in a sports stadium. What do we do? We call out the troops and change our rules to make it even more difficult for them to enter legally.
--Percy

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