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Tanypteryx Member Posts: 4451 From: Oregon, USA Joined: Member Rating: 5.0 |
Son of Man writes: if Adam was the AtomAnd Eve was the Electron taken from the Atom who gave birth to Cain the Cation (cathode) and Abel the Anion (anode) Abel was replaced by Seth or static then I believe you have a cure for snake bites? So you think there is some significance that some biblical character's names sound vaguely like some words for particles and electronics in English?What if Eleanor Roosevelt had wings? -- Monty Python One important characteristic of a theory is that is has survived repeated attempts to falsify it. Contrary to your understanding, all available evidence confirms it. --Subbie If evolution is shown to be false, it will be at the hands of things that are true, not made up. --percy The reason that we have the scientific method is because common sense isn't reliable. -- Taq
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GDR Member Posts: 6202 From: Sidney, BC, Canada Joined: Member Rating: 2.1 |
Porkincheese writes: God knows what's going to happen to me tomorrow. He knows when your going to sin, when you'll die, he knows the future. Correct me if I'm wrong but that's how I remember it. I agree that you can get that reading from an inerrantist view of the Bible. I however don't believe that God does know the future in the way that we think of it as I believe that the future is unknowable. One of my Christian influences is John Polkinghorne who was a renowned physicist and changed his career path in his late 40's to theology. Here is a portion of an interview he gave a few years ago.
quote: Here is a link to the whole interview which I think addresses many of your questions.
John Polkinhorne interview Hope this helps.He has told you, O man, what is good ; And what does the LORD require of you But to do justice, to love kindness, And to walk humbly with your God. Micah 6:8
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Son of Man Junior Member (Idle past 1961 days) Posts: 26 From: Ireland Joined: |
I have wrote the facts as I see them
If you look at the story of Adam and Eve more closely Eve was taken basically from the shell of Adam? It only goes to show there are more coincidences than you think. plus one of the points people have missed is the story of Noah and how the animals get put into the Ark two by two, there are two serpents in the story? There is another point to make, that is there is a star formation called the serpent. the first will be the last and the last will be the first.
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Tangle Member Posts: 9512 From: UK Joined: Member Rating: 4.8
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Why are creationists always this bonkers or thereabouts?
Edited by Tangle, : No reason given.Je suis Charlie. Je suis Ahmed. Je suis Juif. Je suis Parisien. I am Mancunian. I am Brum. I am London.I am Finland. Soy Barcelona "Life, don't talk to me about life" - Marvin the Paranoid Android "Science adjusts it's views based on what's observed.Faith is the denial of observation so that Belief can be preserved." - Tim Minchin, in his beat poem, Storm.
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Straggler Member (Idle past 94 days) Posts: 10333 From: London England Joined: |
Well I guess it sort of goes with the territory....
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Phat Member Posts: 18348 From: Denver,Colorado USA Joined: Member Rating: 1.0 |
porkncheese writes: As a believer, I would add that I don't think anyone can fully understand God---though tangle cuts me off in another thread...where he states:
I think Stile explained it well and on the other hand I have the same thoughts that Tangle expressed as well. I don't think anyone can fully understand the bibletangle writes: If I were to accept this premise, it would basically mean game over for believers--atheists would have a slam dunk regarding the existance of the Christian God and of Jesus Christ--His character. I will continually argue against this.
Everything that can be known about Jesus is in that one simple book. No-one knows any more than that. There are no more sources of information, no special knowledge and no secret messages. I don't care how much respect you and Faith give to apologists, they're just people making stuff up. It's even a formal fallacy.porkncheese writes:
I agree. To be honest, I can't accept the way that creationists try and contort science to fit their preconceived religious beliefs---it is in my opinion dishonest on so many levels.
To phats question as to why I don't like the science vs religion war.Its because I don't believe religion should be influencing science at all porkncheese writes: ...I don't think anyone can fully understand the bible...Pressie writes:
To take the question further...I don't think anyone can fully understand why some people are so fully convinced of what is seen as unevidenced beliefs. For many of them, the beliefs at some point of their internal formation were most definitely evidential. I have my reasons why I don't simply toss my beliefs away...though some would argue that emotional insecurity lies at the core of my stubbornness. Yes, we sure can. Bronze age goat herders claiming something. That's it.Chance as a real force is a myth. It has no basis in reality and no place in scientific inquiry. For science and philosophy to continue to advance in knowledge, chance must be demythologized once and for all. —RC Sproul "A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." —Mark Twain " ~"If that's not sufficient for you go soak your head."~Faith You can "get answers" by watching the ducks. That doesn't mean the answers are coming from them.~Ringo
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ringo Member (Idle past 440 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
Son of Man writes:
That doesn't follow. You might as well argue that there were two Noahs, two arks, two Moseses, two Arks of two Covenants, two Jesuses.... plus one of the points people have missed is the story of Noah and how the animals get put into the Ark two by two, there are two serpents in the story? Hint: Throw numerology in the garbage.And our geese will blot out the sun.
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Tanypteryx Member Posts: 4451 From: Oregon, USA Joined: Member Rating: 5.0 |
I have wrote the facts as I see them Facts? What facts?
It only goes to show there are more coincidences than you think. Yeah, have you ever noticed the 9 looks like an upside down 6? Coincidence? I think not.
plus one of the points people have missed is the story of Noah and how the animals get put into the Ark two by two, there are two serpents in the story? There is another point to make, that is there is a star formation called the serpent. Wow, I completely missed the significance of this.What if Eleanor Roosevelt had wings? -- Monty Python One important characteristic of a theory is that is has survived repeated attempts to falsify it. Contrary to your understanding, all available evidence confirms it. --Subbie If evolution is shown to be false, it will be at the hands of things that are true, not made up. --percy The reason that we have the scientific method is because common sense isn't reliable. -- Taq
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Stile Member Posts: 4295 From: Ontario, Canada Joined: |
Phat writes: I still don't understand why specifically that foreknowledge is a problem. Let's assume that Jesus is eternal past, present, and future. Thus God(Jesus, in this example) is present at every moment that a human makes a decision. This does not mean that God creates the decision...He is only aware of it. If God didn't create the decision... then the person did?If the person created the decision... then there is some point-in-time that God did not know about the decision (it wasn't create yet). So explain why ultimate foreknowledge is a problem? If there if some point-in-time that God didn't know about the decision... then God doesn't have "ultimate" foreknowledge. That's not a problem in and of itself. I think God would prefer the idea of free will over "ultimate" foreknowledge.But I suppose that's up to everyone's individual opinion on what their idea of God should be.
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Son of Man Junior Member (Idle past 1961 days) Posts: 26 From: Ireland Joined: |
Oh I forgot to say I see the bible completely different, I see some of it as instructions and some in a different light to others.
can do without the petty remarks, just let me get on with it,in other words if you have nothing nice to say then say nothing at all the bible has five endings like a cross, it also has seven seals as you will see? its difficult to write it all at once if you can't see where this is going then I'm sorry the first will be the last and the last will be the first.
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Phat Member Posts: 18348 From: Denver,Colorado USA Joined: Member Rating: 1.0 |
Out of curiosity, have you ever heard of the RPG game, Far Cry 5?
Chance as a real force is a myth. It has no basis in reality and no place in scientific inquiry. For science and philosophy to continue to advance in knowledge, chance must be demythologized once and for all. —RC Sproul "A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." —Mark Twain " ~"If that's not sufficient for you go soak your head."~Faith You can "get answers" by watching the ducks. That doesn't mean the answers are coming from them.~Ringo
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Phat Member Posts: 18348 From: Denver,Colorado USA Joined: Member Rating: 1.0 |
If God didn't create the decision... then the person did? Oh ok. I see how you see it. God could not know certain things in time if the things were caused by human decisions within time. Got it. I always saw it as God knowing everything that would happen simply because He was at every moment in time when a decision was being made. But I see your point.If the person created the decision... then there is some point-in-time that God did not know about the decision (it wasn't created yet). It would also explain why Jesus,being forced to live in time, could not and did not know everything that the Father knew. My point was that since the Father was at every point in time, He essentially would have access to ultimate foreknowledge, but perhaps this was not part of His judgment, which was based on either knowing or not knowing Jesus at a given point in the life of a human. We would maintain that such an option was available to everyone ever living, but I'm not sure how that would play out. As far as ringos insistence that only the message was important and that obedience to the message was evidence of belief through works, this would mean that even an atheist would essentially accept Jesus by doing the message. Edited by Phat, : No reason given.Chance as a real force is a myth. It has no basis in reality and no place in scientific inquiry. For science and philosophy to continue to advance in knowledge, chance must be demythologized once and for all. —RC Sproul "A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." —Mark Twain " ~"If that's not sufficient for you go soak your head."~Faith You can "get answers" by watching the ducks. That doesn't mean the answers are coming from them.~Ringo
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AZPaul3 Member Posts: 8563 From: Phoenix Joined: Member Rating: 4.7 |
... there is a star formation called the serpent. There is also one named Cancer. It reminded folks of a crab. So what? Edited by AZPaul3, : No reason given.
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Son of Man Junior Member (Idle past 1961 days) Posts: 26 From: Ireland Joined: |
funny you mention the crab
rev10 are the crabs the star formation is cancer the crab and this chapter holds the cure for cancer. the first will be the last and the last will be the first.
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Tangle Member Posts: 9512 From: UK Joined: Member Rating: 4.8
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I think this is a new standard of bonkers.
Je suis Charlie. Je suis Ahmed. Je suis Juif. Je suis Parisien. I am Mancunian. I am Brum. I am London.I am Finland. Soy Barcelona "Life, don't talk to me about life" - Marvin the Paranoid Android "Science adjusts it's views based on what's observed.Faith is the denial of observation so that Belief can be preserved." - Tim Minchin, in his beat poem, Storm. |
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