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Faith  Suspended Member (Idle past 1473 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined: |
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Coragyps Member (Idle past 763 days) Posts: 5553 From: Snyder, Texas, USA Joined: |
Not at all. More that there needs to be a little more equity in how these crappy jobs get distributed and remunerated. Maybe put some congressmen and CEOs out on the killing dock at the chicken processing plant for a week or so.
I didn’t like it too well when I was a pup. And I was a Giblet Toter, not a Neck Slitter.
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Faith  Suspended Member (Idle past 1473 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined: |
Thanks, I agree that her choice to abstain was the best.
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PaulK Member Posts: 17827 Joined: Member Rating: 2.3 |
quote: By which you mean judges who make decisions you don’t like. The actual law doesn’t matter to you.
quote: By which you mean any hint of disagreeing with Trump’s opinions. The fact remains that Acosta’s credentials were arbitrarily taken away on extremely dubious grounds and the government doesn’t have the right to do that. Due process is required.
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Faith  Suspended Member (Idle past 1473 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined: |
I'm still not getting your point I guess. What does this have to do with illegal immigration?
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Faith  Suspended Member (Idle past 1473 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined: |
Oooo now there is a lovely example of just what i was talking about a few posts back (Message 191) of how I can't say anything without having some snarky mean construction put on it, the way the interrogator of Diamond and Silk kept turning their perfectly clear answers into lies. This isn't debate, this isn't discussion you are doing, this is some kind of mental abuse, very Leftist, and you do it to me all the time.
The law matters a great deal to me and this judgment is political twisting of the law. That is wacko that due process is required beyond the clear fact that the man was rude. This is a privilege, not a right, he was out of order. Edited by Faith, : No reason given. Edited by Faith, : No reason given. Edited by Faith, : No reason given.
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PaulK Member Posts: 17827 Joined: Member Rating: 2.3 |
quote: Because obviously nobody should notice that you are attacking the decision without any understanding of the law or the reasoning behind it.
quote: If that is true then let’s see the legal analysis which demonstrates it.
quote: The White House doesn’t seem to think that’s good enough. That’s why they went with the assault argument - which didn’t hold water.
quote: In other words he dared to question Trump’s opinion.
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Coragyps Member (Idle past 763 days) Posts: 5553 From: Snyder, Texas, USA Joined: |
It has a great deal to do with illegal immigration. 19% of the employees in the US dairy farming industry are undocumented, according to a survey I read of recently. I don’t know percentages for poultry of beef processing, but those are apparently high. I know from personal observation that a great number of undocumented folks work in the oilfield, not just here in Texas but in, say, North Dakota as well. Construction workers, nursing home workers, maids in motels.....
The US economy depends real heavily on underpaid, overworked, often undocumented employees. And they’re disposable, because they’re nearly untraceable. It has to be a hell of a life, and the country is not set up to do much to help. Wailing about invaders doesn’t accomplish anything beyond perhaps generating vote for Ted Cruz and his odious ilk.
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Faith  Suspended Member (Idle past 1473 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined: |
But that is a pretty convoluted roundabout way of justifying illegal immigration it seems to me, and to justify it is to perpetuate the very injustice you are decrying. In other words why aren't YOU arguing against illegal immigration for the sake of these underpaid and overworked people? I also know of a situation where an illegal immigrant has made himself absolutely indispensable to a wealthy man who actually takes good care of him and his family, has set them up in a house and made other provisions for them. They are all scared to death that they might be deported, and I have to admit it would be a terrible thing for all concerned. They are doing better than most because this wealthy man truly cares for them, but there's something wrong with this whole picture. I think the country should not be subject to undocumented invasion for any reason, that our laws should determine who comes in and who doesn't, but there is also that other side you mention and that's another reason for objecting to illegality.
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Faith  Suspended Member (Idle past 1473 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined: |
How come NOBODY knows how this judge ruled? You can buy a transcript of the court proceeding but otherwise you'll have to wait I think three months for it to be available to the public for free. In other words nobody knows how the law was applied or the reasoning behind it as you put it. Nobody. You too.
What's the point in producing a legal analysis that is only going to be dismissed by a politically motivated judge anyway? The only thing that carries any weight is the final judgment no matter how wacko. There is something seriously wrong with this system we have that can become the source of tyrannical judicial oppression by "judges" who are nothing but politically motivated shysters. And yes, I do think no reporter should "challenge" the President's opinion the way this arrogant upstart self-aggrandizing "reporter" did. Certainly not then arguing with him about it after he answered. He is there at the invitation of the President, he has no legal or constitutional right to be there and yes I feel quite free to make this judgment. And from now on when you talk to me in this fashion I'm not answering you. Which is exactly what Trump did and should be allowed to do. Edited by Faith, : No reason given.
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PaulK Member Posts: 17827 Joined: Member Rating: 2.3
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quote: There are plenty of reports. Even if you can’t see every detail there’s nothing obviously wrong in what has been said. And the Judge was obviously not happy with the White House being unable to say who made the decision - and the changing story about the reason for it can’t have helped.
quote: Which means that your attacks on the judge were baseless and made without any real concern for the law. Just as I said. You really have to stop behaving badly and then whining and lying when caught at it. As is your habit,
quote: You mean what is the point in backing up your assertions here? It should be obvious. And of course the reason I challenged you to do so is obvious. If knew you couldn’t do it. I knew that you were at your usual trick of slandering someone who said something you didn’t like. And I was right. You can’t even stop when you’ve obviously been caught.
quote: And there you go again.
quote: I think Trumps opinions - and his lies - should be challenged more.
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Coragyps Member (Idle past 763 days) Posts: 5553 From: Snyder, Texas, USA Joined: |
Mr Trump is, after all, our employee. We should have fired him already, but it’s probably for the best that they made that difficult.
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DrJones* Member Posts: 2290 From: Edmonton, Alberta, Canada Joined: Member Rating: 6.9
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How come NOBODY knows how this judge ruled?
we do know how he ruled, he ruled that the White House must give Acosta back his press credentials. He determined that:
CNN was likely to prevail on its Fifth Amendment claim that Acosta hadn't received sufficient notice or explanation before his credentials were revoked or been given sufficient opportunity to respond before they were also:
The White House had spelled out its reasons for revoking Acosta's credentials in a tweet from Sanders and in a statement after CNN filed its lawsuit. But the judge said those "belated efforts were hardly sufficient to satisfy due process." The judge also found that Acosta suffered "irreparable harm," dismissing the government's argument that CNN could simply send other reporters to cover the White House in Acosta's place. But the judge also emphasized the "very limited nature" of his ruling Friday. He noted he had not determined that the First Amendment was violated. White House must return CNN reporter's media pass, judge rules | CBC News Edited by DrJones*, : No reason given.It's not enough to bash in heads, you've got to bash in minds soon I discovered that this rock thing was true Jerry Lee Lewis was the devil Jesus was an architect previous to his career as a prophet All of a sudden i found myself in love with the world And so there was only one thing I could do Was ding a ding dang my dang along ling long - Jesus Built my Hotrod Ministry Live every week like it's Shark Week! - Tracey Jordan Just a monkey in a long line of kings. - Matthew Good If "elitist" just means "not the dumbest motherfucker in the room", I'll be an elitist! - Get Your War On *not an actual doctor
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AZPaul3 Member Posts: 8563 From: Phoenix Joined: Member Rating: 4.7
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How come NOBODY knows how this judge ruled? You can buy a transcript of the court proceeding but otherwise you'll have to wait I think three months for it to be available to the public for free. In other words nobody knows how the law was applied or the reasoning behind it as you put it. Nobody. Are you really THAT naive? I'm going to scold you severely but I do have good intentions here. Do you not know the court is required by law to give copies of its rulings to all plaintiffs and respondents? It is part of the court costs already paid. Within hours of the decision's release CNN (plaintiff), and all the respondents (White House, Sanders, Chief of Staff, Deputy Chief of Staff and others) had copies from their lawyers who made hundreds of copies to disseminate to their staffs for review and comment. You think the fact that anyone else interested in the question but not part of the case has to pay a fee is some kind of radical left-wing Nazi Commie conspiracy? It's cost reduction, kid. Right now every law school, newspaper, think tank, network, and on and on, that wants a copy WILL buy one from the court administration and will show that cost as a tax deductible business expense. And that revenue helps defray the courts expenses. The reason the court may make the opinion free of charge in a few months is because the numbers requested will be considerably less by then and it doesn't cost them anything to provide it through their archive on-line. This is America, Love, and even the courts understand the laws of supply and demand. If you don't like the analysis of the ruling coming from the media then go find one of your right-wing neo-facist yellow rags and ... guess what? ... get the same analysis from them. The lawyers for all sides know full well what the court said and why it said it to every point of law. You don't need that level of detail especially since you are incapable of understanding the fine points of the various legal arguments. This reaction from you upset me more than it should. I don't know why. Maybe because I expect better from you. Know what the hell you're talking about before you spout off in such a dumb way. This isn't that hard to understand.
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Faith  Suspended Member (Idle past 1473 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined: |
If you don't like the analysis of the ruling coming from the media then go find one of your right-wing.... I got it from Mark Levin who "has a J.D. from Temple University Beasley School of Law." Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia Listen from about 5-ish to about 34...
On Friday's Mark Levin Show, Federal Judge Timothy Kelly, has ruled, from the bench, a 14 day temporary restraining order that the White House give back Jim Acosta's hard press pass until due process can be afforded to him. The Court did not discuss the validity of CNN's first amendment claims, however the court does not allow media in the courtroom and we the American people have no idea exactly what took place in that courtroom. The U.S. District Court for the District of Columbia would not release a public transcript of today’s ruling on Acosta’s press pass unless we paid for each page of the document, filled out an extensive application, and got the approval of the court’s office. Freedom of the press, except when it comes to the federal judiciary. Also, there is no requirement for the President to even hold a press conference or much less to call on certain reporter. We don't need a jerk in a black robe to tell us that this isn't constitutional, we know that because this is a clear violation of the separation of powers. What we're witnessing here is judicial tyranny and all they care about is themselves. Later, Robert Mueller has submitted written questions to President Trump and he has easily answered them reiterating that there was no collusion and there should never have been an investigation or witch hunt as he calls it. Then, election recounts in Georgia and Florida seem to be unchanged despite the effort of the Democrats to change the results. Meddling by the press, posting election projections before all precincts are counted is irresponsible; the press has a responsibility to report news for the people not for their own evil maniacal interests. Edited by Faith, : No reason given. Edited by Faith, : No reason given. Edited by Faith, : No reason given.
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AZPaul3 Member Posts: 8563 From: Phoenix Joined: Member Rating: 4.7
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I got it from Mark Levin ... Well, should have known. JD and all, Levin is known as a crank. A deep state conspiracy pusher and should be compared to Alex Jones for the levels hit on the conspiracy crap-o-meter. Just like Jones he preys on the gullible, the intellectually destitute, the wacko. Do you really think a judge can issue a restraining order verbally? Without a written order? If that is your answer to my criticism, I cry. You are hopelessly lost. Edited by AZPaul3, : No reason given.
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