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creation Member (Idle past 1968 days) Posts: 654 Joined: |
quote: Wherever Genesis or another part of the bible speaks, He speaks. He talked to Moses and confirmed that things written about the beginning were correct. Jesus talked about heaven so that involves a change from nature as we know it also. All the miracles He did also show He was not limited by nature.
quote:You have never shown what pre 4500 year rings look like. I seem to recall you appealed that we trust in those who looked at them. Besides, you are in no position to say what a ring grown in the former nature would look like. You look at them as if they were grown in this nature. ( I guess technically you do not look at them, you trust others who looked at them)
quote: Nothing in the spectra tells us what time is like there. Science also admits it only sees something like 5% of the universe anyhow!
quote: Emitted here in the fishbowl.
quote:Here in the fishbowl that may be the case. How would you know it was also equal out there before the light got here, where the light exists under our rules and time? If time did not exist how would something TAKE time to decay or...do anything? quote: Fishbowl possibilities. There may be more possibilities out in some unknown space and time that we never conceived of.
quote: Transitions that happen here...transitions that take so much time as time is known and exists here..etc.
quote:Yes, the way we see light and info and the way it comes to have to exist here is unique, of course. quote:Fishbowl identification is great. We can identify what things are like here. Some info I suspect would even tell us something about what is out there, before it got here. For example, the elements we see in the spectra. What else is out there, and how elements exactly exist out there and behave out there and unfold in time out there...well, we don't really know of course. quote:Similarly, what energy state we would see elements in here depends on our fishbowl nature/time/rules etc. quote:How far you have no clue at all, since you need time to exist the same to know distances! quote:What is responsible for shifted light way out in another time and space is not actually known. You assign fishbowl reasons to all things we see from out of the fishbowl! quote:Absurd. Just because something shifts a certain way in fishbowl time and space and laws, does not mean it shifts that way out there. quote:Redshift has meaning here in the fishbowl. That meaning stays here. Trying to assign all redshifted light (or what appears in the fishbowl as redshited light) the fishbowl reasons for shifting is an exercise in belief. quote:How? How does GR deal with what time is? GR deals with the fishbowl. If we see some star of unknown size or distance that has shifted light when it orbits or something, that does not tell us how long the orbit takes, how big anything is how far away...etc etc. quote: Your belief makes tree rings look a certain way to you and everything else. If I looked at a ring that you cannot show us a picture of strangely, from 5000 'years' ago, it would look like a ring to me. I would not have to be biased and obsess over how it had to grow in a year in this nature for no reason!
quote: Rings grown in weeks would not represent years, so your so called correlations and chronologies crumble into absurdity.
quote:Yet you offer king lists that have spirits? You offer tree rings you can't show or demonstrate grew in this nature?? Kids...rebel...revolt intellectually...you have been lied to. Edited by creation, : No reason given.
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creation Member (Idle past 1968 days) Posts: 654 Joined: |
Science does not lead. It follows. If something is unknown...it is not science. When you do not know...why blame science for leading you there?
As for the fishbowl, that simply refers to the area man knows and has been to even via probes. So basically the solar system and area. Not even a lousy single light DAY away! Ha Edited by creation, : No reason given.
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creation Member (Idle past 1968 days) Posts: 654 Joined: |
God is not from this nature and time.
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creation Member (Idle past 1968 days) Posts: 654 Joined: |
Wrong. The document of Scripture tells us when things started to really be different.
As I deduce things, it was likely at the time of Babel, in the days of Peleg, possibly when he was six years old, which may have been about 107 years after the flood. As for what rings grown is some former unknown nature would look like...sorry, your opinion cannot be based in any fact. Find something you know about and talk about that. Your 'correlations' have been shown to all rest on the concept/belief that this present nature existed all the while. The correlations therefore, obviously are no better than that belief. Edited by creation, : No reason given.
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creation Member (Idle past 1968 days) Posts: 654 Joined: |
Show us any so called correlation then, that does not rest on the premise of a same nature in the past? Ha. You lose.
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creation Member (Idle past 1968 days) Posts: 654 Joined: |
False prophesy. Faith may be smaller in the US, but that does not mean creation belief in the world is dead. On the contrary.
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creation Member (Idle past 1968 days) Posts: 654 Joined: |
Long lives in Sumer and Scripture, and apparently China also all agree. Science has nothing to say about it. That renders your allusions to science agreeing with your foolish and baselsss doubts and beliefs rather useless in a science thread.
The changes in life spans are at the time of Peleg in the bible. There are also no angels living with women on earth after that time. There was also a division of language and how men understood/processed info at that time. There is also no fast growing trees in history after this time..etc. It is amusing that someone that claims the universe was farted out of some small speck o soup, and that man is related to flatworms with no evidence at all would declare the records of antiquity to be 'meaningless'!
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creation Member (Idle past 1968 days) Posts: 654 Joined: |
In post 1224 you said this
"Nope. Creationism is dead. The world will go on quite nicely without it." That is false prophesy. You see the bible says all the world will be basically covered with the knowledge of God. Your prophesy is opposite. Let's not pretend it was prophesy. Be honest.
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creation Member (Idle past 1968 days) Posts: 654 Joined: |
What science covers/deals with the far past early history of man and what nature existed? None. Pretending science is needed/available to deal with this is not honest.
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creation Member (Idle past 1968 days) Posts: 654 Joined: |
No evidence exists or was shown that no change occurred. Beliefs were offered that we need to look at all things and interpret all things using the beliefs.
Others have beliefs also.
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creation Member (Idle past 1968 days) Posts: 654 Joined: |
You are not in the position to wave off all records of China and Sumer and Egypt and Scripture as fiction. Sorry.
Gong!
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creation Member (Idle past 1968 days) Posts: 654 Joined: |
What was left here does not tell us what nature existed. Noah was left. Yet he looked the same more or less I assume. What could you tell if you had dissected Noah about the former nature???
People looked the same after the nature change, they just started to live a lot less years. Since we do not have DNA from early man we can't use that. So what DO you have??
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creation Member (Idle past 1968 days) Posts: 654 Joined: |
Mutations occur now. That is what is observed. The way evolution happened in the former days we do not know.
Nor do we know what the created kinds were from which all adapting/evolving started. Nor do we know aout nature in the far past, and how creatures would have quickly evolved/adapted to that. Nor do we know that any possibility existed in that former nature for them to be able to leave fossil remains! So the fossils we do see could and probebly do only represent a small small small small fraction of what variety of life LIVED and existed also when those creatures that became the fossils we do have died!!! Science assumes the fossil record represents a good cross section/sampling of life on earth at the time of the fossil creation..no? Sorry, stop pushing your religion on kids. Edited by creation, : No reason given.
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creation Member (Idle past 1968 days) Posts: 654 Joined: |
Wrong. You have NONE from the pre flood or even early post flood era at all! The misdated (by your beliefs) remains of men you have are all post nature change!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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creation Member (Idle past 1968 days) Posts: 654 Joined: |
False. They admit the fossils are a small portion of life that existed, but they also believe it represents the basic sort of life that lived then. For example, there are precambrian fossils, and they think that they represent what lived!!!!!!!! Cambrian...etc etc.
Be honest.
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