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Phat Member Posts: 18338 From: Denver,Colorado USA Joined: Member Rating: 1.0 |
well it is true that he is trolling us a bit...he just likes to make himself feel better by attacking our views...but I noticed that he did ask about the topic originator...which shows some empathy on his part...more than what any garden variety troll would show. One wonders if either side in these discussions ever reads what the other side reads. I know that you do, ringo. You know the Bible better than many.
Chance as a real force is a myth. It has no basis in reality and no place in scientific inquiry. For science and philosophy to continue to advance in knowledge, chance must be demythologized once and for all. —RC Sproul "A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." —Mark Twain " ~"If that's not sufficient for you go soak your head."~Faith You can "get answers" by watching the ducks. That doesn't mean the answers are coming from them.~Ringo
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Phat Member Posts: 18338 From: Denver,Colorado USA Joined: Member Rating: 1.0 |
His presence is not separable from his posts - I won't call them arguments, they're pure ignorant, trolling drivel. Note that he showed empathy in post 891. Perhaps he has a smidgeon of Spirit in him apart from the boredom that spurs him to argue pointlessly with us. Besides...respect him simply for being human and choosing to come here. If you simply club all of the trolls out of existence, you end up with no converts. I can't respect anyone who behaves as disingenuously and stupidly as this.Chance as a real force is a myth. It has no basis in reality and no place in scientific inquiry. For science and philosophy to continue to advance in knowledge, chance must be demythologized once and for all. —RC Sproul "A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." —Mark Twain " ~"If that's not sufficient for you go soak your head."~Faith You can "get answers" by watching the ducks. That doesn't mean the answers are coming from them.~Ringo
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Phat Member Posts: 18338 From: Denver,Colorado USA Joined: Member Rating: 1.0
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The young Universe position is logically on a weaker footing than an old Universe stance. The YEC arguments base themselves as providing an alternative explanation for old Universe evidence. They do not provide any 'facts' that categorically prove a young Universe, just supposed new interpretations that allow for a young Universe. This being said, you only have to provide a single example of an old Universe that cannot be argued with and, ergo, you have falsified the young Universe position. As I see it, there can be no way around the older Universe interpretation of the distance to supernova 1987A. And I am talking about the GEOMETRICAL method of calculating the distance. This doesn't involve anything like standard candles, or relativistic redshifts but on good old trigonometry. (I do hope the YEC's accept trig.) No way of varying the speed of light (one of the lamest concepts in YECdom) will at the same time explain this supernova being nearby and yet not changing the observed radioactive decay rates of the nickel and cobalt from the explosion. This, and I stress, GEOMETRICAL distance gives a value of approx. 170,000 light years. No if's and's or but's about it. Therfore, this supernova occurred 170,000 years ago!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! And again, let me repeat, no tinkering with the light speed can get around this method of getting the distance whilst preserving the radioactive decay observations. Thus we have a piece of evidence that directly FALSIFIES a less than 10,000 year old Universe. Now I accept that this on it's own doesn't give a 13.7 billion year old Universe, BUT it does the job with respect to falsifying creation being some 6-10 thousand years ago. Comments?Chance as a real force is a myth. It has no basis in reality and no place in scientific inquiry. For science and philosophy to continue to advance in knowledge, chance must be demythologized once and for all. —RC Sproul "A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." —Mark Twain " ~"If that's not sufficient for you go soak your head."~Faith You can "get answers" by watching the ducks. That doesn't mean the answers are coming from them.~Ringo |
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Phat Member Posts: 18338 From: Denver,Colorado USA Joined: Member Rating: 1.0 |
Faith seems to think that once a believer chooses to take a leap of faith and surrender their mind to the Spirit, the confusion clears and becomes evident. creation, do you feel this way or do you agree with the timed honored scientific discipline of evidence?
Chance as a real force is a myth. It has no basis in reality and no place in scientific inquiry. For science and philosophy to continue to advance in knowledge, chance must be demythologized once and for all. —RC Sproul "A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." —Mark Twain " ~"If that's not sufficient for you go soak your head."~Faith You can "get answers" by watching the ducks. That doesn't mean the answers are coming from them.~Ringo
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Phat Member Posts: 18338 From: Denver,Colorado USA Joined: Member Rating: 1.0 |
creation writes: To be fair, does this apply to creationists as well as science-based evolutionists? If ideas are revealed to be false, people can change ideas, regardless of the beliefs and ideas they once had...one hopes.Chance as a real force is a myth. It has no basis in reality and no place in scientific inquiry. For science and philosophy to continue to advance in knowledge, chance must be demythologized once and for all. —RC Sproul "A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." —Mark Twain " ~"If that's not sufficient for you go soak your head."~Faith You can "get answers" by watching the ducks. That doesn't mean the answers are coming from them.~Ringo
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Phat Member Posts: 18338 From: Denver,Colorado USA Joined: Member Rating: 1.0 |
creation writes: Do you believe that God created the entire universe for us to see? Are we the central focus of Gods plan? Is God out there or is He in here with us? If so, how do we avoid anthropomorphizing God? Of course God set it up so man could see stars. They are made for us to see!Chance as a real force is a myth. It has no basis in reality and no place in scientific inquiry. For science and philosophy to continue to advance in knowledge, chance must be demythologized once and for all. —RC Sproul "A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." —Mark Twain " ~"If that's not sufficient for you go soak your head."~Faith You can "get answers" by watching the ducks. That doesn't mean the answers are coming from them.~Ringo
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Phat Member Posts: 18338 From: Denver,Colorado USA Joined: Member Rating: 1.0 |
to clarify, Faith believes more along these lines....that the evidence follows the conclusion rather than the other way around.
Chance as a real force is a myth. It has no basis in reality and no place in scientific inquiry. For science and philosophy to continue to advance in knowledge, chance must be demythologized once and for all. —RC Sproul "A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." —Mark Twain " ~"If that's not sufficient for you go soak your head."~Faith You can "get answers" by watching the ducks. That doesn't mean the answers are coming from them.~Ringo
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Phat Member Posts: 18338 From: Denver,Colorado USA Joined: Member Rating: 1.0 |
Oops. Im sorry---I thought I was replying to the Lad. My bad.
Chance as a real force is a myth. It has no basis in reality and no place in scientific inquiry. For science and philosophy to continue to advance in knowledge, chance must be demythologized once and for all. —RC Sproul "A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." —Mark Twain " ~"If that's not sufficient for you go soak your head."~Faith You can "get answers" by watching the ducks. That doesn't mean the answers are coming from them.~Ringo
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