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Author Topic:   Falsifying a young Universe. (re: Supernova 1987A)
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Message 887 of 948 (843575)
11-19-2018 1:47 PM
Reply to: Message 885 by ringo
11-18-2018 1:11 PM


Re: Confusing
Kinds are biblical as is creation...your blather aside.

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Message 891 of 948 (844088)
11-25-2018 3:39 AM
Reply to: Message 889 by ringo
11-20-2018 11:26 AM


Re: Confusing
We are supposed to know what kinds you are talking about? Mankind for example was here from the start. No way to deny that is what the bible teaches. I would like to get on topic here also. Too bad that falsifying a young universe by SN1987a was a concept/claim that is already defeated here. Dead.
Wave the white flag and close the thread.
Speaking of dead has anyone heard from the thread originator here?? Is he OK?
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Message 901 of 948 (844182)
11-26-2018 1:17 PM
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11-25-2018 1:40 PM


Re: Confusing
I am not really looking at people here, just ideas and models and arguments. If ideas are revealed to be false, people can change ideas, regardless of the beliefs and ideas they once had...one hopes.

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Message 902 of 948 (844183)
11-26-2018 1:21 PM
Reply to: Message 894 by ringo
11-25-2018 1:32 PM


Re: Confusing
Of course God set it up so man could see stars. They are made for us to see!
Seeing a star does not tell us it's size or distance or true nature. Yes we have info in incoming light that tells us that it seems to have certain elements in it. What else stars may have that we cannot detect/see we do not know. What time and space there are like we can only guess at and what man has done is impose the realities of earth and area out there also. If something takes 4 minutes to happen here, in the light we have here from there...well, man assumed that it also took the same time there.
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Message 912 of 948 (844237)
11-27-2018 2:23 AM
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11-26-2018 8:05 PM


Re: Confusing
Science tries to fit all things into it's little set of beliefs and rules.

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Message 913 of 948 (844238)
11-27-2018 2:25 AM
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11-26-2018 8:01 PM


Re: Two Questions
Adam did not likely see all the universe. The visible stars, if I recall are only in the thousands. But the machinery of the stars and universe was for us, I would think. Perhaps one thing they somehow do is regulate time for us!? Seasons and times. Who knows?

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Message 914 of 948 (844239)
11-27-2018 2:28 AM
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11-26-2018 7:55 PM


Re: Confusing
Of course, to the extent that regardless of all this God's word remains true. Now if some believer thinks it happened one way, maybe they will learn it was actually different than that. I, for example stated my explorations into the origins and creation/evolution issues assuming that creation science so called of the day was correct. I now realize the flood year did not do it all, and deposit all layers...etc. ..But there was a flood!

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Message 915 of 948 (844240)
11-27-2018 2:29 AM
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11-26-2018 7:53 PM


Re: Confusing
The more one thinks that origin science used evidence rather than beliefs, that less chance they have of not being confused!

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Message 916 of 948 (844241)
11-27-2018 2:31 AM
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11-26-2018 3:50 PM


Re: Confusing
The volume of stupid papers does not matter to stars. The way little man determines distances matters. To determine distances to stars time must be equal all the way to the star. You get that much?

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Message 922 of 948 (844279)
11-27-2018 4:58 PM
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11-27-2018 11:06 AM


Re: Confusing
Whatever light does it does here where it streams in from there. Here in our space and time. Merely seeing a spectra of some elements it contains does not give us a picture of what it is like out there, what time and space are like, or what else might also exist that we cannot see.

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Message 923 of 948 (844280)
11-27-2018 5:02 PM
Reply to: Message 920 by Tanypteryx
11-27-2018 2:22 PM


Precision movement
Well, look at a clock. There may be little cogs going round...moving. If one does not know what one is looking at, it may appear as random movement. Same idea with stars. They move...there are some things orbiting/going round other things out there...etc. If it was all created as the bible states from cover to cover, then it is logical to assume that there are purposes and reasons for things that poor little man may not be aware of, though he see some movement!

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Message 924 of 948 (844281)
11-27-2018 5:03 PM
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11-27-2018 11:53 AM


Re: Confusing
You get that time must be equal all the way to stars to know distances...and even more?
Or you like to type words that you thought sounded smart?

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Message 929 of 948 (844367)
11-28-2018 6:44 PM
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11-27-2018 5:31 PM


Re: Precision movement
There is nothing about the precision movements that tells you how creation works. Nor is there anything in those movements that tell us it was not created.
You are in no position to call the bible fiction. Science cannot say yay or nay, either way.
It mentions a fair bit about stars also.
What stars will do suddenly in the near future for example...go out! It mentions a star that guided some men to a specific house! It associates stars with the spiritual, which is more than poor science can do! Etc.

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Message 930 of 948 (844368)
11-28-2018 6:48 PM
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11-27-2018 5:49 PM


Re: Confusing
We see the light from that SN here. Whatever working it does is here. How much time was involved getting here cannot be known by science! Not unless you prove time exists and exists the same there also, as it is here.
Likewise distances are not known. Any use of trigonometry has to use at least one line that is in unknown time and space! Whether we use the rings out there and draw lines to them, or whether we use a slice of time and space here and draw lines to a star!

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Message 931 of 948 (844369)
11-28-2018 6:50 PM
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11-27-2018 8:40 PM


Re: Confusing
So you think and say. However why would we assume no time exists in the solar system?? Science doesn't even know what time is! For you to take a huge slice of space here, and claim it involves no time means that you are saying time does not exist here!
If you could ever get over that, you would still be checkmated since we still have space out there to deal with!

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