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creation Member (Idle past 1968 days) Posts: 654 Joined: |
Too bad for you that you only mutually relate all things to ONE belief. All roads lead only to that one road...blind alley!
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creation Member (Idle past 1968 days) Posts: 654 Joined: |
You look at the heavens FROM the fishbowl and you imagine all the universe operates on fishbowl time and space and rules. You concoct models of what the unknown is like based solely on current fishbowl knowledge!
Your attempted insults to God and the holy people of old have no value except to expose where you really come from/
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creation Member (Idle past 1968 days) Posts: 654 Joined: |
How do you know iridium was NOT with water??
What in tarnation do you think some volcanologist has to do with fountains of the deep mentioned in the bible?? Utterly ridiculous. You claim the events were millions of years ago, but that is solely based on same nature in the past belief! Got anything else?You claim you know that the Yucatan impact was from above and offer no intelligent conversation, or support or detail. Instead we see some drooling insults to record of God, and allusions to some experts that you can't cite, or explain what they say! You conflate a world of religious nonsense with a world of evidence. Lurkers, behold the fallen state of the defenders of the evo faith here! Pathetic. The once might have fallen.
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AdminPhat Inactive Member
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That's it---you are gone. Game over. Evos won....
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AZPaul3 Member Posts: 8551 From: Phoenix Joined: Member Rating: 4.9
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You look at the heavens FROM the fishbowl and you imagine all the universe operates on fishbowl time and space and rules. As the available evidence shows, the same physics, the same "nature", operates both our fishbowl and the rest of the universe. This fishbowl is just one small part of a grander universe all operating, apparently, from the same universal rules. And you can't show us anything different.
You concoct models of what the unknown is like based solely on current fishbowl knowledge We're pretty smart fish.
Your attempted insults to God and the holy people of old have no value except to expose where you really come from/ We cannot insult what isn't there. It is not the ancient goat herders of 3000 years ago who made up stories in an attempt to fathom the workings of this world with their limited-to-non-existent knowledge that I insult, it is those in the present whose own intellect, in the face of 3000 years of advancing human knowledge, is so limited they believe the ancient goat herder stories as if these stories were the pinnacle of human knowledge. Like the knowledge acquired in the last 3000 years by this species is nothing but some grand conspiracy against the lesser knowledge of the bronze age instead of an advancing correction to that knowledge. I insult you, not them. [abe] You really need to stop pissing off Phat. Edited by AZPaul3, : No reason given. Edited by AZPaul3, : No reason given.
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RAZD Member (Idle past 1431 days) Posts: 20714 From: the other end of the sidewalk Joined: |
There is no evidence of a change in nature, no start point, no measure of change, nothing. This is no explanation for the correlations. The Correlations win again. Your biggest problem is that you have castrated what you accept as reasonable argument to such a degree that you can't say anything about it. No correlations should exist -- evidence that you are wrong -- as everything should be jumbled, and you cannot trust any narrative that comes from outside your bubble, not one ... including Christian creation. One trick pony. Enjoy Edited by RAZD, : . Edited by RAZD, : .by our ability to understand Rebel☮American☆Zen☯Deist ... to learn ... to think ... to live ... to laugh ... to share. Join the effort to solve medical problems, AIDS/HIV, Cancer and more with Team EvC! (click)
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edge Member (Idle past 1732 days) Posts: 4696 From: Colorado, USA Joined: |
How do you know iridium was NOT with water??
This is gibberish. What do you mean "with water"?
What in tarnation do you think some volcanologist has to do with fountains of the deep mentioned in the bible?? Utterly ridiculous.
If something were erupted from the core of the earth, it would seem that volcanologists would be involved.
You claim the events were millions of years ago, but that is solely based on same nature in the past belief! Got anything else?
Actually, there were many such events, including the much younger Eltanin impact which also yielded a large harvest of iridium.
You claim you know that the Yucatan impact was from above and offer no intelligent conversation, or support or detail.
I went over that in an earlier post. Please have the courtesy of reading and attempting to understand.
Instead we see some drooling insults to record of God, and allusions to some experts that you can't cite, or explain what they say!
This has nothing to do with any god. Your own posts prove that.
You conflate a world of religious nonsense with a world of evidence.
Heh, heh ...
Lurkers, behold the fallen state of the defenders of the evo faith here! Pathetic. The once might have fallen.
Hadn't observed this, but we note your opinion.
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ringo Member (Idle past 438 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
creation writes:
You have completely missed the point of this thread. I have grasped the evidences that you impose the one same belief upon! None of them nor all of them are any better than the one belief they sit on. Even if you could successfully challenge one or two of the dating methods - and you can't - that accomplishes nothing. The thread is about the correlation of ALL of the dating methods: ALL of the dating methods give the same answers. Even if you could discredit each and every one of the dating methods - and you have failed miserably to even scratch the surface on ANY of them - but even if you could discredit ALL of them individually, you'd still have to produce a cogent reason for them all being wrong in exactly the same way. It's like five hundred people trying to go from New York to Los Angeles by five hundred different routes and every single one of them winding up in Pensacola by mistake. You creationists are fond of complaining about the odds against abiogenesis and evolution; try calculating the odds on that one.And our geese will blot out the sun.
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Tanypteryx Member Posts: 4441 From: Oregon, USA Joined: Member Rating: 5.1 |
try calculating the odds on that one. I get 1 followed by 77 zeros.What if Eleanor Roosevelt had wings? -- Monty Python One important characteristic of a theory is that is has survived repeated attempts to falsify it. Contrary to your understanding, all available evidence confirms it. --Subbie If evolution is shown to be false, it will be at the hands of things that are true, not made up. --percy The reason that we have the scientific method is because common sense isn't reliable. -- Taq
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RAZD Member (Idle past 1431 days) Posts: 20714 From: the other end of the sidewalk Joined: |
I figure I would have to personally examine the tree rings very closely to arrive at a meaningful theory. That would mean going to where the evidence is. Failing that your best option is:
You can start here: The Age of the Earth v3p1, message 7: Dendrochronology Basics and look at pictures like this one:
Prometheus section with over 4800 annual rings. Also see Message 1010 and Message 1070 for more pictures and information. Enjoy Edited by RAZD, : .by our ability to understand Rebel☮American☆Zen☯Deist ... to learn ... to think ... to live ... to laugh ... to share. Join the effort to solve medical problems, AIDS/HIV, Cancer and more with Team EvC! (click)
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JonF Member (Idle past 194 days) Posts: 6174 Joined:
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ANCIENT TREE WITH RECORD OF EARTH'S MAGNETIC FIELD REVERSAL IN ITS RINGS DISCOVERED
quote:I haven't been able to find a paper. Select Publications by Professor Chris Turney | UNSW ResearchResearch Publications for Alan G Hogg: University of Waikato Edited by JonF, : No reason given.
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RAZD Member (Idle past 1431 days) Posts: 20714 From: the other end of the sidewalk Joined: |
Cool stuff.
Now if we can tie the tree rings to the climate patterns in the varve and ice layers ... then maybe we could introduce lines of magnetic change in the sea bed to the calculations of age. Enjoyby our ability to understand Rebel☮American☆Zen☯Deist ... to learn ... to think ... to live ... to laugh ... to share. Join the effort to solve medical problems, AIDS/HIV, Cancer and more with Team EvC! (click)
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JonF Member (Idle past 194 days) Posts: 6174 Joined: |
This may be interesting. Just another correlation between independent methods.
Just a moment...
[quote]This study presents subdaily resolved chemical records through fossil mollusk shell calcite. Trace element profiles resolve periodic variability across ~40mthin daily growth laminae in a Campanian Torreites sanchezi rudist bivalve. These highresolution records are combined with seasonally resolved stable isotope and trace element records that allow shellchemical variability to be discussed on both seasonal and daily scale. A combination of layer counting, spectral analysis of chemical cyclicity and chemical layer counting shows that the rudist precipitated 372 daily laminae per year, demonstrating that length of day has increased since the Late Cretaceous, as predicted by astronomical models. This new approach to determine the length of a solar day in geologic history through multiproxy chemical records at subdaily resolution yields considerably more control on the uncertainty of this estimate. Daily chemical variability exceeds seasonal variability in our records, and cannot be explained by diurnal temperature changes. Instead, we postulate that rudist shell chemistry is driven on a daily scale by changes in light intensity. These results together with those of stable isotope analyses provide strong evidence that Torreites rudists had photosymbionts. Bivalve shell calcite generally preserves well. Therefore, this study paves the way for dailyscale reconstructions of paleoenvironment and sunlight intensity on geologic time scales from bivalve shells, potentially allowing researchers to bridge the gap between climate and weather reconstructions. Such reconstructions improve shell chronologies, document environmental change in warm ecosystems, and widen our understanding of the magnitude of shortterm changes during greenhouse climates.[ /quote]{emphasis added}
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RAZD Member (Idle past 1431 days) Posts: 20714 From: the other end of the sidewalk Joined: |
[ /quote] has an extra space in it.
Error - Cookies Turned Off -- needs to be addressed by Percy
SubdailyScale Chemical Variability in a Torreites Sanchezi Rudist Shell: Implications for Rudist Paleobiology and the Cretaceous DayNight Cycle quote: The 13C and 18O records can be compared to ice cores where they overlap in time. They don't say how the geological age is determined. This is similar to the Talking Coral Heads, providing further consilience with the age dating methods. The Campanian (83.6 0.5 to 72.1 0.2 Ma) is an late part of the Cretaceous era
quote: So this also has implications for climate change issues -- CO2 levels and ocean depths. Enjoyby our ability to understand RebelAmericanZenDeist ... to learn ... to think ... to live ... to laugh ... to share. Join the effort to solve medical problems, AIDS/HIV, Cancer and more with Team EvC! (click)
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dad Member (Idle past 1363 days) Posts: 337 Joined: |
or not.
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