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ringo
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Message 1229 of 1482 (843323)
11-16-2018 11:20 AM
Reply to: Message 1224 by creation
11-15-2018 8:00 PM


Re: Creation
creation writes:
What there is no such thing as...now has no bearing on what things exist in the future or the far past.
It really does. If there are no fast-growing trees now, there's no reason to think there were fast-growing trees in Noah's time. Fast-growing trees are contra-indicated by everything we know about biology, chemistry, physics, etc.

And our geese will blot out the sun.

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ringo
Member (Idle past 412 days)
Posts: 20940
From: frozen wasteland
Joined: 03-23-2005


Message 1233 of 1482 (843587)
11-19-2018 2:21 PM
Reply to: Message 1231 by creation
11-19-2018 2:00 PM


Re: Creation
creation writes:
If we assumed nature was the same you might have a point. Too bad you need a reason to do so.
You still have it backwards. If you claim that the sun will rise in the west tomorrow, YOU are the one who needs a reason. If you claim that there was a "change in nature", YOU are the one who needs a reason. Nobody is going to take YOU seriously unless YOU can provide a reason for YOUR silly claims.

And our geese will blot out the sun.

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ringo
Member (Idle past 412 days)
Posts: 20940
From: frozen wasteland
Joined: 03-23-2005


Message 1243 of 1482 (843706)
11-20-2018 10:46 AM
Reply to: Message 1234 by ICANT
11-19-2018 2:55 PM


Re: Creation
ICANT writes:
Who said the Americas existed at that time above water?
Anybody with any sense. Whole continents do not rise up out of the ocean in a few centuries. And we know THAT because we have dated items in the Americas that are older than the map.
ICANT writes:
You know that is an inaccurate map because ----------------Fill in the blank.
Because, as I said, the Americas are not on it.
ICANT writes:
You are manufacturing your own definitions of Hebrew words.
No I'm not. I'm using the meanings that Hebrew scholars use.
ICANT writes:
I have always been confused about English but I have never been confused about Biblical Hebrew.
You ARE confused about Biblical Hebrew. You're just too confused to know that you're confused.
ICANT writes:
Then you should have no problem with taking the two Hebrew words being discussed in Message 1203 and show me how they mean the same thing when they are spelled different, and one of them is only used 4 times in the Bible.
And you should have no problem looking up what Hebrew scholars think. But you already know what Hebrew scholars think, don't you? You already know that your interpretation is an outlier, don't you?
Of course, we also have the confirmation of science: The continents did NOT divide at any time during human history.

And our geese will blot out the sun.

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ringo
Member (Idle past 412 days)
Posts: 20940
From: frozen wasteland
Joined: 03-23-2005


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Message 1244 of 1482 (843707)
11-20-2018 10:47 AM
Reply to: Message 1236 by ICANT
11-19-2018 3:17 PM


Re: Creation
ICANT writes:
The sun don't rise or set anywhere so why make such an outlandish statement?
Don't be stupid.

And our geese will blot out the sun.

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ringo
Member (Idle past 412 days)
Posts: 20940
From: frozen wasteland
Joined: 03-23-2005


Message 1245 of 1482 (843708)
11-20-2018 10:50 AM
Reply to: Message 1238 by creation
11-20-2018 1:37 AM


Re: Creation
creation writes:
Science claims nature was the same, it needs a reason.
You're being dishonest. You don't use that criterion in your own life. You don't expect tomorrow to be 48 hours instead of 24. You don't expect your bank to move without informing you. You don't expect Honey Nut Cheerios to suddenly be made of 100% beef.
You expect things to stay the same unless there is some reason to think they have changed.

And our geese will blot out the sun.

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ringo
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Posts: 20940
From: frozen wasteland
Joined: 03-23-2005


Message 1248 of 1482 (843713)
11-20-2018 11:09 AM
Reply to: Message 1247 by ICANT
11-20-2018 11:03 AM


Re: Creation
ICANT writes:
The bible has a lot of inaccuracies and creation is one part that is in need to be fixed also there was never a talking snake or a tree with fruit that would make a person smarter.
You were the one telling someone to do something stupid, not me.
I don't know where you got that quote from but it doesn't sound like me. If you're going to argue about who's stupid, you should try not to make mistakes while doing it.

And our geese will blot out the sun.

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ringo
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Posts: 20940
From: frozen wasteland
Joined: 03-23-2005


Message 1250 of 1482 (843721)
11-20-2018 11:37 AM
Reply to: Message 1249 by ICANT
11-20-2018 11:28 AM


Re: Creation
ICANT writes:
Sea shells have been found on mountain tops. They have also been found 7 miles deep in the earth.
And they were put there long before there were any humans on earth.
ICANT writes:
Why would they be on the map if there was only 1 piece of dry land mass surrounded by water?
There hasn't been one single land mass at any time since humans have been around.
ICANT writes:
I didn't make the map it was made a long time ago by someone who had been around the land mass. Or had been told about it.
Or they made it up.
ICANT writes:
I gave you the Hebrew Lexicon definitions and the uses of the words. I can't help it if you would rather have someone's opinion.
I would rather have the opinion of actual Hebrew scholars - and I do. They're the ones who WROTE the Hebrew Lexicons, after all. Feel free to show us any Hebrew scholars who agree with you.
ICANT writes:
ringo writes:
The continents did NOT divide at any time during human history.
How do you make that determination. Just how do we know the continents have drifted apart?
We know how fast the continents are drifting. We know how long humans have been around. The math is pretty simple.

And our geese will blot out the sun.

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ringo
Member (Idle past 412 days)
Posts: 20940
From: frozen wasteland
Joined: 03-23-2005


Message 1267 of 1482 (844260)
11-27-2018 11:14 AM
Reply to: Message 1261 by creation
11-26-2018 1:27 PM


Re: Creation
creation writes:
If there was water and land together, and then it was separated, we were left with land as well as water. I have no reason to doubt that in the beginning a large land mass existed that later broke apart.
Again... you claimed in Message 1215 that, "It does not say that continents were formed then." What do you think a "large land mass" is if it isn't a continent?

And our geese will blot out the sun.

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ringo
Member (Idle past 412 days)
Posts: 20940
From: frozen wasteland
Joined: 03-23-2005


Message 1268 of 1482 (844261)
11-27-2018 11:24 AM
Reply to: Message 1265 by creation
11-27-2018 2:20 AM


Re: Creation
creation writes:
Science has evidence that there once was a large land mass...not on why and exactly how it separated.
Science doesn't concern itself much with "why" things happen. It isn't "why" tigers have stripes so much as how are stripes an evolutionary advantage.
As for how the continents were separated, you can do the experiment: Heat a pot of water to almost boiling, then drop a few drops of oil onto the surface. Convection currents in the water will make the oil "continents" separate and merge into different "continents".

And our geese will blot out the sun.

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ringo
Member (Idle past 412 days)
Posts: 20940
From: frozen wasteland
Joined: 03-23-2005


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Message 1272 of 1482 (844299)
11-27-2018 7:41 PM
Reply to: Message 1270 by creation
11-27-2018 4:45 PM


Re: Creation
creation writes:
Semantics game eh?
Not at all. I' m just pointing out that you don't think before you post.

And our geese will blot out the sun.

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ringo
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Posts: 20940
From: frozen wasteland
Joined: 03-23-2005


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Message 1273 of 1482 (844300)
11-27-2018 7:48 PM
Reply to: Message 1271 by creation
11-27-2018 4:52 PM


Re: Creation
creation writes:
Or...we could spin a ball covered in frozen chocolate real fast suddenly, and see if it fractures.
No, that would not be a good model of the earth. Continental drift is not caused by spin.
creation writes:
Since evolving/changing happened fast in the former times/nature...
You must be too young to remember but creationists used to claim that evolution didn't happen at all. I think it's comical that they've given up their argumemts so thoroughly that now they have evolution happening impossibly fast. It's a sure sign that their only motivation is to scoff at science; they're not interested in truth or knowledge at all.

And our geese will blot out the sun.

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ringo
Member (Idle past 412 days)
Posts: 20940
From: frozen wasteland
Joined: 03-23-2005


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Message 1278 of 1482 (844413)
11-29-2018 11:01 AM
Reply to: Message 1275 by creation
11-28-2018 6:39 PM


Re: Creation
creation writes:
How would we know the mechanism that started the plates moving?
The same way we know anything - by comparing it to known processes. We don't pretend, like you do, that some woo-woo unknown process used to be in effect at some unspecified time in the past. If we blamed everything on a "different nature" we would, like you, never learn anything.
creation writes:
Have you forgotten that the theories of plate tectonics have only guessed?
Theories are not guesses. They are thoroughly tested and confirmed by observation and experiment.
Edited by ringo, : Spellong.

And our geese will blot out the sun.

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ringo
Member (Idle past 412 days)
Posts: 20940
From: frozen wasteland
Joined: 03-23-2005


Message 1287 of 1482 (844588)
12-02-2018 1:35 PM
Reply to: Message 1283 by creation
12-01-2018 2:22 PM


Re: Creation
creation writes:
Glad you admitted that! You only look at and go by present processes!
Well, I'm glad you almost understood what I said - but I did say "known" processes, not "present" processes. If you can show us the processes that you believe happened in the past and are happening beyond our cosmic "fishbowl", we'll be sure to include those processes in our calculations. What we don't take into account is the fairy-tale processes that you make up in a sad attempt to prop up your religion.

And our geese will blot out the sun.

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ringo
Member (Idle past 412 days)
Posts: 20940
From: frozen wasteland
Joined: 03-23-2005


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Message 1288 of 1482 (844589)
12-02-2018 1:37 PM
Reply to: Message 1285 by ICANT
12-01-2018 7:36 PM


Re: Creation
ICANT writes:
Why would creation have anything other than belief?
Because it's a science forum.
ICANT writes:
That is the only thing anybody has.
Nonsense. You're like the guy living in a cardboard box who thinks nobody has a better house than his.

And our geese will blot out the sun.

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ringo
Member (Idle past 412 days)
Posts: 20940
From: frozen wasteland
Joined: 03-23-2005


Message 1293 of 1482 (844603)
12-02-2018 4:50 PM
Reply to: Message 1290 by ICANT
12-02-2018 4:33 PM


Re: Creation
ICANT writes:
Creation is the subject of this discussion and there is nobody who has presented any scientific evidence supporting creation. Which is the origin of the universe.
We do have evidence about the origin of the universe. It doesn't point to any Creator.
ICANT writes:
If you have any scientific evidence that is not based on an assumption....
Assumptions are based on scientific evidence.

And our geese will blot out the sun.

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