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You're a blithering idiot.
God bless and goodbye.Je suis Charlie. Je suis Ahmed. Je suis Juif. Je suis Parisien. I am Mancunian. I am Brum. I am London.I am Finland. Soy Barcelona "Life, don't talk to me about life" - Marvin the Paranoid Android "Science adjusts it's views based on what's observed.Faith is the denial of observation so that Belief can be preserved." - Tim Minchin, in his beat poem, Storm.
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GDR writes: So if it is all created by nature who or what created nature? Why do you think it had to be created? If you think things have to be created by some form of intelligence you're going to get asked 'who or what created that intelligence?' Swiftly followed by - 'and why should that intelligence be the god you believe in?'Je suis Charlie. Je suis Ahmed. Je suis Juif. Je suis Parisien. I am Mancunian. I am Brum. I am London.I am Finland. Soy Barcelona "Life, don't talk to me about life" - Marvin the Paranoid Android "Science adjusts it's views based on what's observed.Faith is the denial of observation so that Belief can be preserved." - Tim Minchin, in his beat poem, Storm.
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creation writes: How about creation? Fine, let's start with when. I'm waitinf for an answer.Je suis Charlie. Je suis Ahmed. Je suis Juif. Je suis Parisien. I am Mancunian. I am Brum. I am London.I am Finland. Soy Barcelona "Life, don't talk to me about life" - Marvin the Paranoid Android "Science adjusts it's views based on what's observed.Faith is the denial of observation so that Belief can be preserved." - Tim Minchin, in his beat poem, Storm.
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Tangle Member Posts: 9504 From: UK Joined: Member Rating: 4.8
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I was inside the Arctic circle this summer, it never went dark and the sun didn't set. Does a biblical day not apply there?
Je suis Charlie. Je suis Ahmed. Je suis Juif. Je suis Parisien. I am Mancunian. I am Brum. I am London.I am Finland. Soy Barcelona "Life, don't talk to me about life" - Marvin the Paranoid Android "Science adjusts it's views based on what's observed.Faith is the denial of observation so that Belief can be preserved." - Tim Minchin, in his beat poem, Storm.
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Thanks, that's now totally clear. Ffs
Je suis Charlie. Je suis Ahmed. Je suis Juif. Je suis Parisien. I am Mancunian. I am Brum. I am London.I am Finland. Soy Barcelona "Life, don't talk to me about life" - Marvin the Paranoid Android "Science adjusts it's views based on what's observed.Faith is the denial of observation so that Belief can be preserved." - Tim Minchin, in his beat poem, Storm.
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Creation writes: No. In creation week days existed before the sun and moon. Sure, and the cow jumped over the moon.Je suis Charlie. Je suis Ahmed. Je suis Juif. Je suis Parisien. I am Mancunian. I am Brum. I am London.I am Finland. Soy Barcelona "Life, don't talk to me about life" - Marvin the Paranoid Android "Science adjusts it's views based on what's observed.Faith is the denial of observation so that Belief can be preserved." - Tim Minchin, in his beat poem, Storm.
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ICANT writes: The land mass of the earth that the man was formed from the dust of the ground had no sea, no seas, or oceans. It only had 1 river that divided into 4 rivers to water the face of the earth, along with the mist. No oceans = no rainNo rain = no rivers Je suis Charlie. Je suis Ahmed. Je suis Juif. Je suis Parisien. I am Mancunian. I am Brum. I am London.I am Finland. Soy Barcelona "Life, don't talk to me about life" - Marvin the Paranoid Android "Science adjusts it's views based on what's observed.Faith is the denial of observation so that Belief can be preserved." - Tim Minchin, in his beat poem, Storm.
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Creation writes: There was no rain. There was lots of water from below the earth, and there was rivers. No rain = no water below the earthJe suis Charlie. Je suis Ahmed. Je suis Juif. Je suis Parisien. I am Mancunian. I am Brum. I am London.I am Finland. Soy Barcelona "Life, don't talk to me about life" - Marvin the Paranoid Android "Science adjusts it's views based on what's observed.Faith is the denial of observation so that Belief can be preserved." - Tim Minchin, in his beat poem, Storm.
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creation writes: Says you. However the water was created, not a result of rain. Sure, magic solves all your problems. With magic you can make anything up at all. My personal favourite is when a tooth changes into a coin if you put it under your pillow overnight.Je suis Charlie. Je suis Ahmed. Je suis Juif. Je suis Parisien. I am Mancunian. I am Brum. I am London.I am Finland. Soy Barcelona "Life, don't talk to me about life" - Marvin the Paranoid Android "Science adjusts it's views based on what's observed.Faith is the denial of observation so that Belief can be preserved." - Tim Minchin, in his beat poem, Storm.
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ICANT writes: Why that conclusion? Because that's how the water cycle works
If the head river was big enough to feed 4 rivers to water the entire earth there would have been enough evaporation to cause rain. Yeh, we call those oceans and seas and the are at the end of the river's journey not at its source.
You forgot the mist that came up from the ground that watered the earth. Cobblers.Je suis Charlie. Je suis Ahmed. Je suis Juif. Je suis Parisien. I am Mancunian. I am Brum. I am London.I am Finland. Soy Barcelona "Life, don't talk to me about life" - Marvin the Paranoid Android "Science adjusts it's views based on what's observed.Faith is the denial of observation so that Belief can be preserved." - Tim Minchin, in his beat poem, Storm.
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creation writes: So to you, anything that works any other way than it does in the present nature is magic. OK. Not exactly no. That was sarcasm. You see, to me an adult that talks this kind of irrational, childish drivel has been badly let down by their parents, the evil bastards of whatever deranged religious organisation that pedals this mindrot, the education system and the society that allows it.. So it's not totally your own fault, but you're not doing much to help yourself. You need to try thinking for yourself a bit, if you can.Je suis Charlie. Je suis Ahmed. Je suis Juif. Je suis Parisien. I am Mancunian. I am Brum. I am London.I am Finland. Soy Barcelona "Life, don't talk to me about life" - Marvin the Paranoid Android "Science adjusts it's views based on what's observed.Faith is the denial of observation so that Belief can be preserved." - Tim Minchin, in his beat poem, Storm.
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creation writes: So your claim was sarcasm, and you don't actually thin the current physics/nature we see is indicative of the future or past? Spit it out. What I think - know - is that the more you spout nonsense, the more you refuse to understand the need for evidence to support the nonsense, the more you troll with your one line responses (though I note you've actually made a bit more of an effort in a last couple of posts), the more you invent and ad hoc, the more you look like the archetypal loonytunes fundamentalist. I suppose you think your 'arguments' are impressive but it's only to yourself. If you actually want to make progress instead of making a fool of yourself you need to bring some actual facts, rationality and logic into your posts.Je suis Charlie. Je suis Ahmed. Je suis Juif. Je suis Parisien. I am Mancunian. I am Brum. I am London.I am Finland. Soy Barcelona "Life, don't talk to me about life" - Marvin the Paranoid Android "Science adjusts it's views based on what's observed.Faith is the denial of observation so that Belief can be preserved." - Tim Minchin, in his beat poem, Storm.
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creation writes: So you DO believe the current nature is indicative of the far past? Spit it out. What you or I believe is irrelevant to anyone but ourselves. It's what can be evidenced that matters. It should be obvious to you by now that the nonsense you make up impresses no-one but yourself so you should be asking yourself why. After all, the majority of us here are rational and prepared to accept well-founded ideas. I'd go as far as to say that if someone came here with a crazy idea that had a pile of evidence behind it, it would get a good listening to. But that never happens. What actually happens is that crazy people come here with crazy ideas and absolutely no evidence to support them so they blather on like you do until they get bored and disapear to troll another forum. They think that their demented ideas are brilliant but somehow can't get anyone but other loonies to listen to them. They should learn from this but they don't; the more actual evidence that's produced to show how wrong they are, the more they know that they're right. There's lots of terms for this effect but the simplest is delusion. You're just another clueless, childish crank.Je suis Charlie. Je suis Ahmed. Je suis Juif. Je suis Parisien. I am Mancunian. I am Brum. I am London.I am Finland. Soy Barcelona "Life, don't talk to me about life" - Marvin the Paranoid Android "Science adjusts it's views based on what's observed.Faith is the denial of observation so that Belief can be preserved." - Tim Minchin, in his beat poem, Storm.
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ICANT writes: Quoted from "Inflationary spacetimes are not past-complete" by Arvind Borde, Alan Guth and Alexander Vilenkin.So the universe had to have a beginning to exist. Why do you creationists have to cherry pick stuff? Is it something that comes with the territory, that you have to be dishonest or is there a chunk of brain missing that deals with dispassionate analysis? The universe does not have to have had a beginning, it could have always existed,. This is just one hypothesis:
quote:What if the universe had no beginning? | Science Wire | EarthSky Best scientific answer I have got so far is, "we don't know". So why say that they DO know? Why do that? The truth is that we don't yet know and we may never know. But we have a number of ideas about it that we're testing against the evidence. That's how science works. It's a strength not a weakness.
But I don't have to say "I don't know". Because I know God created the heavens and the earth. You don't know anything, not even how to go about working out what we do know or even reporting honestly what is said by those who'se job it is to work this stuff out. What you have is a primitive and superstitious belief that was disproved millenia ago and you're determined to defend at all costs. Including your honesty.Je suis Charlie. Je suis Ahmed. Je suis Juif. Je suis Parisien. I am Mancunian. I am Brum. I am London.I am Finland. Soy Barcelona "Life, don't talk to me about life" - Marvin the Paranoid Android "Science adjusts it's views based on what's observed.Faith is the denial of observation so that Belief can be preserved." - Tim Minchin, in his beat poem, Storm.
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ICANT writes: How could the universe have always existed since it would have been in equilibrium a long time before 13.7 billion years ago? How the hell would I know? I'm no cosmic physicist and neither are you. I'm just pointing out to you that those that are physicists and do this work have differing hypotheses about the universe, there's not just the one that you've cherry picked because you imagine it helps your position.Je suis Charlie. Je suis Ahmed. Je suis Juif. Je suis Parisien. I am Mancunian. I am Brum. I am London.I am Finland. Soy Barcelona "Life, don't talk to me about life" - Marvin the Paranoid Android "Science adjusts it's views based on what's observed.Faith is the denial of observation so that Belief can be preserved." - Tim Minchin, in his beat poem, Storm.
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