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caffeine Member (Idle past 1024 days) Posts: 1800 From: Prague, Czech Republic Joined:
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Sorry, but those statistics are entirely wrong or misleading. Error 404 (Not Found)!!1 Your link doesn't show anything wrong in what Dr Adequate posted. It just looks at a longer time frame, and if you include the massive outlier of September 11th 2001 (Dr A's graphic was looking at only the last decade) Islamic terrorists of course have killed the most. Your link notes, however, that over the same period right wing terrorists have killed more than left wing ones in the US. I'm not really sure of the value of all these comparisons though. Very few people die due to terrorism. Whether or not one individual gets caught or changes their mind two minutes before carrying out their potentially devastating subway attack has enormous influence on the figures. Can't we just agree that terrorism is bad instead of using it to further polarise the American public?
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riVeRraT Member (Idle past 416 days) Posts: 5788 From: NY USA Joined: |
Well that was the purpose of my post, but all who replied felt it was more important to assign an ideology to it.
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riVeRraT Member (Idle past 416 days) Posts: 5788 From: NY USA Joined: |
If we are measuing percentages, then terrorism really isn't a problem no matter who you are. That's not saying we shouldn't fight against it. Perhaps fighting against it is what keeps it at bay.
Saying right wing terrorists are a far worse threat because 0.0000002% of the population died from them and only 0.00000015% of the population died from left wing terrorists is stupid.
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JonF Member (Idle past 168 days) Posts: 6174 Joined: |
Your numbers are wrong. Still, right-wing terrorism is significantly more prevalent than left-wing terrorism. But the current administration wants to fight the latter and ignore the former.
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riVeRraT Member (Idle past 416 days) Posts: 5788 From: NY USA Joined: |
It's not significantly more prevalent (by death). By death is not the only way to measure terrorism. Left wing terrorism is far more prevalent today. Antifa is a terrorist organization, and while there is no cut and dry way to measure it's membership because they all hide like cowards, it's estimated to be in the tens of thousands.
Any administration should be worried about this, as well as any American.
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JonF Member (Idle past 168 days) Posts: 6174 Joined: |
It's not significantly more prevalent (by death)
[citation required] Antifa is a terrorist organization,
[citation required] What agency or organization has them on their list? How many people have they killed? Edited by JonF, : No reason given.
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1.61803 Member (Idle past 1504 days) Posts: 2928 From: Lone Star State USA Joined: |
JonF writes: [citation required] Fox news
JonF writes: [citation required] What agency or organization has them on their list? How many people have they killed? What agency? All red state police forces.How many people? Lots. ~ The Neocon/TeaParty/MAGA/GOP probably "You were not there for the beginning. You will not be there for the end. Your knowledge of what is going on can only be superficial and relative" William S. Burroughs
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Tanypteryx Member Posts: 4344 From: Oregon, USA Joined: Member Rating: 5.9
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Any administration should be worried about this, as well as any American. Funny, I'm not worried about them at all. I AM worried about right-wing militia assholes running around with their confederate traitor's flags and armed to the teeth and spoiling for a fight. Trump loves them so fuck him!What if Eleanor Roosevelt had wings? -- Monty Python One important characteristic of a theory is that is has survived repeated attempts to falsify it. Contrary to your understanding, all available evidence confirms it. --Subbie If evolution is shown to be false, it will be at the hands of things that are true, not made up. --percy The reason that we have the scientific method is because common sense isn't reliable. -- Taq
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JonF Member (Idle past 168 days) Posts: 6174 Joined: |
*Fox News* is not numbers. How many killed by left wing "terrorists" over what time period? How many killed by right wing "terrorists" over the same time period?
List twelve red state police organizations that formally declare antifa to be terrorists. How many people have they killed, with references to the incidents? Bet you can't answer any of those questions. Edited by JonF, : No reason given.
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1.61803 Member (Idle past 1504 days) Posts: 2928 From: Lone Star State USA Joined: |
Jon, I was being sarcastic and kidding. It went went over bad sorry.
Edited by 1.61803, : No reason given."You were not there for the beginning. You will not be there for the end. Your knowledge of what is going on can only be superficial and relative" William S. Burroughs
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JonF Member (Idle past 168 days) Posts: 6174 Joined: |
Whoops, I didn't notice it was you and not RiverRat. (On my phone it's much easier to read this site with the names scrolled offscreen). No harm done. Just another instance of Poe's law.
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riVeRraT Member (Idle past 416 days) Posts: 5788 From: NY USA Joined: |
I already provided citations by death. Do the math yourself.
The government has labelled Antifa a terrorist organization. The fact that you don't know that should concern you. Antifa: US security agencies label group 'domestic terrorists' | The Independent | The Independent
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riVeRraT Member (Idle past 416 days) Posts: 5788 From: NY USA Joined: |
Wrong, and wrong.
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riVeRraT Member (Idle past 416 days) Posts: 5788 From: NY USA Joined: |
Please provide a citation tying militia groups with white spuremacists, or terrorist activity.
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Phat Member Posts: 18262 From: Denver,Colorado USA Joined: Member Rating: 1.1 |
Havent seen you around for awhile, Rat. How have you been anyway? Still flying model airplanes? Let me read up on all your comments and reply to you here.....(*reads comments*)
What I don't like is how we are obsessed with tying these horrific acts to an ideology, and not mental illness. As if to say, see, being a right winger is bad, you're all bad. Agreed, but it seems the main focus of these debates/discussions is the ideologies themselves. I self-identify as a political moderate. Our society does have a lot of mental illness these days. We blame the guns rather than mental illness. We also could blame the prevalence of social media for stirring up the arguments, and we could ask ourselves why we personally feel the need to comment and/or defend our own personal views.
Rat, responding to ringo writes: He is right though...he is a left-wing Canadian. Perhaps a question to ask is if he were a right-wing Canadian would he still be part of the problem rather than the solution? I've been hanging out here quite a few years, and ringo is one who is articulate and opinionated in his responses to our posts. He gets under my skin occasionally but I'm glad he is around.
You are what is wrong with America.Caffeine, replying to Rat writes:
Can't we just agree that terrorism is bad instead of using it to further polarise the American public?Well that was the purpose of my post, but all who replied felt it was more important to assign an ideology to it. I'm guessing you are a moderate leaning towards conservative values...but are moderate enough to consider all ideologies as equally valid (or useless). Would you say that your worldview has been influenced by the church or would you argue that you are balanced enough in life to associate with a broader spectrum of people than just believers? RR writes: Correct me if i'm wrong--but could this be due to the fact that there are more left wingers globally in general?
Left-wing terrorism is far more prevalent today. Antifa is a terrorist organization, and while there is no cut and dry way to measure it's membership because they all hide like cowards, it's estimated to be in the tens of thousands.Which has a higher percentage worldwide: left-wing or right-wing? quote: Food for thought. And glad to see you posting. Edited by Phat, : No reason given. Edited by Phat, : No reason given.Chance as a real force is a myth. It has no basis in reality and no place in scientific inquiry. For science and philosophy to continue to advance in knowledge, chance must be demythologized once and for all. —RC Sproul "A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." —Mark Twain " ~"If that's not sufficient for you go soak your head."~Faith You can "get answers" by watching the ducks. That doesn't mean the answers are coming from them.~Ringo
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