Hi ringo
ringo writes:
I'm saying that Genesis talks about visible light - i.e. the difference between day and night.
I thought light was light especially if it was made by a 10 billion degree kelvin temperature ball of quark soup.
Don't heat produce light and light produce heat?
ringo writes:
The authors of Genesis could not "see" the cmbr and had no way of knowing that it existed.
Moses might have known what it was when he came down off the mountain the second time they had to cover his head because nobody could look at his head as it shown so bright.
But regardless of that no one knew the cmbr existed until May 20, 1964.
ringo writes:
The difference is that we are actively looking for objective evidence,
Looking for objective evidence and having objective evidence is two different things. Either you have objective evidence (and if you do produce it) or you don't have objective evidence in which case you can not present any.
Yet you demand that I present objective evidence for Gods existence.
So give me any objective evidence available to prove the universe began to exist like science so called say it did.
That includes Big Bang Theory, String theory, Big bounce theory or any other theory.
ringo writes:
No. As I said, those events are not considered as fact until they are supported by evidence.
Are you saying the universe don't exist?
It is a fact it exist as I can see part of it. I just want to know how it began to exist.
I have read where Hawking said if his instanton popped into existence it would produce a universe just like the one we live in.
They are known to pop into existence and then disappear in a vacuum. The problem with that is since there would be no existence prior to the universe existing there would be no place for a vacuum to exist for the instanton to pop into existence in.
Scrap that idea.
Two branes banging together caused the universe to begin to exist. You have the same problem as with the instanton as there would be no existence for the branes to exist in.
Scrap that idea.
This hot glob of quark soup existed, it began to expand/inflate and produced the universe.
If there was no existence where did it exist?
Where did it come from?
How did it get to be 10 billion/trillion which ever degrees?
How did all the energy and mass get packed into that little universe that is said to be expanding at 1 billionth of a second after T=0?
If it had been around for eternity without expanding/inflating what caused it to start all of a sudden?
Now lets look at the bounce theory. A universe existed and had x=(available energy) amount of energy and lost y= (unusable energy) amount of energy before it contracted to the size of what ever existed at T=
-23 s.
Then the inflation/expansion began again with less x than before and more y than before. Goes through the same process.
The process repeats and x is reduce and y is increased during the process.
The process repeats and x is reduced and y is increased.
When x and y becomes equal and there is no more useable energy to use available you have reached equilibrium the process will cease.
Therefore the universe could not have existed eternally in the past according to known scientific processes.
ringo writes:
No. The Big Bang is the best EXPLANATION for the evidence that we do have.
But you have no objective evidence for the universe having existed or beginning to exist. What you call the Big Bang Theory is only trying to explain what has taken place since 1 billionth of a second after T=0.
ringo writes:
No, I'm not. I'm arguing that assumptions are tested and shown to be valid.
The universe is assumed to exist at 1 billionth of a second after T=0.
Where is the test and results that support that assumption? It is just an assumption that is accepted as fact without any proof or evidence of any kind. String theory and bounce theory all require the same assumption.
I did and this is what I found.
quote:
Big Bang Theory - The Premise
The Big Bang theory is an effort to explain what happened at the very beginning of our universe. Discoveries in astronomy and physics have shown beyond a reasonable doubt that our universe did in fact have a beginning. Prior to that moment there was nothing; during and after that moment there was something: our universe. The big bang theory is an effort to explain what happened during and after that moment.
According to the standard theory, our universe sprang into existence as "singularity" around 13.7 billion years ago. What is a "singularity" and where does it come from? Well, to be honest, we don't know for sure. Singularities are zones which defy our current understanding of physics. They are thought to exist at the core of "black holes." Black holes are areas of intense gravitational pressure. The pressure is thought to be so intense that finite matter is actually squished into infinite density (a mathematical concept which truly boggles the mind). These zones of infinite density are called "singularities." Our universe is thought to have begun as an infinitesimally small, infinitely hot, infinitely dense, something - a singularity. Where did it come from? We don't know. Why did it appear? We don't know.
Big Bang Theory
ringo writes:
Be sure not to use yours for anything else.
I use pneumatic nail guns.
God Bless,
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