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Message 1121 of 1677 (844914)
12-07-2018 9:22 PM
Reply to: Message 1120 by Percy
12-07-2018 6:57 PM


Thank you for your autobiographical sketch. I for one don't get bored by such stories, I think they're fascinating.

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Message 1131 of 1677 (844945)
12-09-2018 4:58 AM
Reply to: Message 1130 by Tangle
12-08-2018 4:56 PM


Re: Anger Management
Nope, it only matters if god exists and he turns out to be out and out arsehole of the OT. And let's face it, if he is, we're all fucked.
If that were the case as so many atheists think of Him, the world would long since have blown to smithereens and we wouldn't be here to talk about it. Or probably would never have been created, because that was an act of love.
Ah yes the ancient lie, Allah will provide. Every religion everwhere.
Weird how what is true of Christianity alone is always being imputed to other religions which are nothing like Christianity. I don't think Allah is ever spoken of in terms of his providence, only the God of the Bible is -- both benevolent providences and "frowning" providences are recognized. And for that matter the whole idea of faith itself only makes sense within the context of Biblical Christianity where we are called to believe many promises about God's nature and our future, requiring us to depend on God through our faith in those things. Nothing like that exists in any other religion but unbelievers just love to pretend it's all the same.
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Message 1147 of 1677 (844984)
12-09-2018 5:12 PM
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12-09-2018 4:53 PM


I'm going back to my former position of never trying to figure out when it's going to happen. This one was terribly enticing though, so many reasons why Rosh Hashanah this year would have been the perfect time. I was thinking that when it gets close we should know. But Jesus said nobody knows the time and I've decided He meant nobody will EVER know until it happens. I haven't had any more of those "clues" however. It was quite a blitz of them for a while there.

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Message 1148 of 1677 (844985)
12-09-2018 5:27 PM
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12-09-2018 4:11 AM


Re: Anger Management
Well according to your belief, your god DID obliterate us all at least once.
Yes, and says He is going to do it again at the very end. Meanwhile He takes very good care of us considering what we deserve.
Given that religions are the universal comforter, it's not remotely surprising that they all say 'don't worry, muumy will look after you,.
Maybe not "surprising" but the fact is that you know absolutely zip about religion in general and just make it up, mostly based on what you think you know about Christianity I would guess, but Christianity is NOT like other religions at all. Where do you get the idea that religions are a universal comforter? You guys invent stuff based on your idea that it's all made up anyway so you never learn what it IS all about. As Blaise Pascal said, you really need to learn what the religion you are criticizing actually teaches.
Gosh it turns out that Islam does do a little aping of Christianity concerning God's provision. Imagine that. A silly parody really. Mohammed did know bits and pieces of the Old and New Testaments, enough to get it all truly muddled up, confusing people with each other who lived more than a thousand years apart, and it looks like he had heard the story of God being concerned about the sparrows. But going out hungry and coming back full is indeed a silly parody of the doctrine of Providence. But I understand, you aren't into such refinements, any old silly parody will do.
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Message 1150 of 1677 (844987)
12-09-2018 5:35 PM
Reply to: Message 1149 by Tangle
12-09-2018 5:27 PM


Back to The Rapture
That's certainly the only way you're not going to be wrong.
Oh I was certainly wrong about Rosh Hashanah, but the Rapture is going to happen eventually, and if it happens in our time you'll have to admit YOU were wrong.
I bet you have, you just don't notice now because you've decided not to.
It's true that I mostly forgot about it but I know I would notice that theme if it kept occurring, and when I do make a point of noticing it's never that theme.
Or, you decided to attribute perfectly ordinary events as omens.
Sorry, such a consistent theme is not "ordinary" but obviously I was taking them for something they weren't.
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Message 1153 of 1677 (845010)
12-10-2018 9:20 AM
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12-10-2018 4:03 AM


Re: Back to The Rapture
They were not ordinary.

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Message 1171 of 1677 (845072)
12-11-2018 2:39 PM
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12-10-2018 12:04 PM


Re: Back to The Rapture
If they were extraordinary, how come it failed?
I've misinterpreted God's communications before. It happens. Could still be about the Rapture, and close timing too only not as close as I was thinking.
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Message 1173 of 1677 (845075)
12-11-2018 3:06 PM
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12-11-2018 2:49 PM


Re: Back to The Rapture
Here's how it works. St. Francis of Assissi was sure God had given him the message "Rebuild My Church" which he took to mean he was to literally rebuild a specific church building that had fallen into ruin. Later he realized it was meant spiritually, that God was calling him to rebuild the spiritual Church which was being corrupted. Another that I'm sure of though nobody else has said so, is Madame Guyon's strong impression that Jesus wanted her to go to Geneva to deal with some problem in her Catholic Church there. When she got there she had only minor little jobs she could find to do. And I'm quite sure she misinterpreted Him, that He was actually telling her that the Protestant Reformation which was going strong in Geneva at the time, was the true path and she was wrong to continue in Catholicism.
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Message 1175 of 1677 (845077)
12-11-2018 3:12 PM
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12-11-2018 3:10 PM


Re: Back to The Rapture
I'll accept that but I'd like to have a reference please.
But you're in the wrong thread aren't you?
It IS true, however, that they stopped persecuting witches because of the wisdom of their own leaders.
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Message 1176 of 1677 (845080)
12-11-2018 3:23 PM
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12-11-2018 3:10 PM


Re: Back to The Rapture
But I will point out that End Times prophecy is a total mess. That neither the Olivet Discourse, nor Revelation have room for a pre-Tribulation Rapture, that the popularity of the idea that the Rapture is coming soon, likely on Rosh Hashanah is reason enough for preachers to talk about it - and a preacher talking about things related to Rosh Hashanah when Rosh Hashanah is approaching is to do with Rosh Hashanah approaching.
Not every Rosh Hashanah is as good a prospect for the Rapture as this last one. There were many other indications in the timing of things that pointed particularly to this one, and there won't be another Rosh Hashanah like this one for many years to come.
I don't want to go back trhough all that stuff about the Rapture but as I recall Matthew 24 does indeed have plenty of room for the Pre Trib Rapture and there are also lots of clues in Revelation as well. Simply the fact that the Church is not mentioned in all the symbolic doings is a big clue. Instead we have the Jews, not the Church, as the Saints.

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Message 1178 of 1677 (845083)
12-11-2018 3:54 PM
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12-11-2018 3:36 PM


Re: Back to The Rapture
I didn't mention the other timing indicators others were mentioning concerning this year's Rosh Hashanah, only my own personal impressions.
No the Church is NOT mentioned in the SYMBOLIC doings in Revelation. It's the way the information is arranged in Matt 24 that indicates the Rapture as I recall and your interpretations of scripture are not mine, but as I said I don't want to get back into this now since I've done it before so I won't beyond these remarks.
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Message 1183 of 1677 (845268)
12-13-2018 6:39 PM
Reply to: Message 1180 by PaulK
12-11-2018 4:11 PM


Re: Back to The Rapture
I didn't mention the other timing indicators others were mentioning concerning this year's Rosh Hashanah, only my own personal impressions.
I’m sure they will come up with more next year. But if those ‘timing indicators are so good why not mention them ?
Actually I may have mentioned them at some point, but just in passing, I don't know and I don't care. I was interested in my own personal experiences at the time. But as I recall, the major point was that 2018 was the 70th anniversary of the founding of the state of Israel, which occurred on May 14th, and that there were some significant number of days between May 14th and this year's Rosh Hashanah, which I can't remember but the number was thought to be important and it won't occur again for a long time, and of course the 70th anniversary won't occur again.

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Message 1191 of 1677 (845468)
12-16-2018 12:01 PM
Reply to: Message 1189 by Straggler
12-15-2018 2:54 PM


Re: Ascension
What’s the difference between the notion that Jesus ascended to join the Christian God and the notion that Augustus or Heracles ascended to heaven to sit with Jupiter or Zeus?
Probably the fact that there were witnesses to Jesus' ascension because it was real, while the other two were made up to fit the deity story. You don't offer any accounts of them after all.

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Message 1201 of 1677 (845566)
12-17-2018 1:45 PM
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12-16-2018 5:04 PM


Re: Ascension
The Roman senator Numerius Atticus personally witnessed Augustus's ascension.
Link
One person reported by another person to have seen him ascend, with no detail, just the flat statement. Not very convincing, certainly not convincing compared with a whole group of disciples watching Jesus ascend, plus circumstantial details to give it more credibility such as the presence of the men in white robes and their comments.

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Message 1319 of 1677 (846679)
01-10-2019 9:37 AM
Reply to: Message 1318 by Percy
01-10-2019 9:17 AM


There is absolutely evidence for what we are saying about the Big Bang, while there is no evidence for this God you keep speaking of.
GDR does unfortunately keep cutting the evidence out from under himself by denying so much of the Bible, but the evidence for the God of Christianity is enormously abundant in sixty six books by at least forty writers over 1500 years all attesting to the same God by direct witness to His miracles and by reports of witness testimony. The evidence is lavishly given.
But it is precisely that evidence you simply reject on the basis of your own prejudice. Thousands of witnesses aren't enough if all you have to do is say it couldn't happen because you believe it couldn't happen just because you believe it couldn't happen. Amazing.
God certainly knew He could inspire the truth to be reported to such a huge extent and silly people would still reject it and make up lies about how it has to be fiction just because they can't imagine it being true. It has nothing of the quality of fiction but God knew you'd deceive yourself about that.
He made sure it all got reported and then asked us simply to believe it as the honest reporting it is. Which is precisely what silly people like you refuse to do. Don't blame us then when our simple belief turns out to reveal the reality of God too late for you to recognize it.
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