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ringo Member (Idle past 411 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
Phat writes:
Yours is not an interpretation. It's a fiction. What you're saying is not in the story.
I interpret it differently. Phat writes:
In the story He was afraid - so your definition must be wrong. He was also afraid in the Garden of Eden that Adam and Eve might eat from the Tree of Life. God by definition could never be afraid of anything...And our geese will blot out the sun.
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ringo Member (Idle past 411 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
Phat writes:
All Gods are fictional.
It is you who are describing a fictional God. Phat writes:
What "is written" is the character Jesus. Believing that Jesus rose from the dead but God didn't commit genocide is like believing that Long John Silver was a good cook but he wasn't really a pirate.
I don't care what you literally interpret as written. Phat writes:
"The church", in general, is wrong about a lot of things. And you're falling into Faith's trap of thinking that your congregation represents "the church".
The church, in general, disagrees with you. Phat writes:
I'm just pointing out that you're wrong. I'm going with them (and my own belief) on this one...And our geese will blot out the sun.
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ringo Member (Idle past 411 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined:
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Faith writes:
That's the perennial excuse, isn't it? When Adam and Eve didn't die that same day, it wasn't a physical death, it was a spiritual death. St Francis wasn't told to rebuild a physical church, he was told to rebuild a spiritual church. St. Francis of Assissi was sure God had given him the message "Rebuild My Church" which he took to mean he was to literally rebuild a specific church building that had fallen into ruin. Later he realized it was meant spiritually, that God was calling him to rebuild the spiritual Church which was being corrupted. Maybe the rapture is spiritual instead of physical. Maybe you're already gone.And our geese will blot out the sun.
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ringo Member (Idle past 411 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
Phat writes:
It isn't about a literal interpretation; it's about a literal reading. You can't hope to understand the story of the three bears if you read it as one bear. jar was too literal...and so is ringo.And our geese will blot out the sun.
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ringo Member (Idle past 411 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
Phat writes:
If long John Silver was more than fiction to me, I still wouldn't make up my own stories about him. In fact, I'd be less likely to go beyond what was written.
the problem (for me, if I were you) is that you treat it as a literal reading of fiction. God is more than fiction to me. Phat writes:
And yet you can justify ignoring the parts you don't like and making up new parts to suit yourself. I can't justify reading a message and internalizing it as literal if it is coming from 3 bears.And our geese will blot out the sun.
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ringo Member (Idle past 411 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
Phat writes:
What's egotistical about it? That sounds like the Fifty Million Nazis Can't be Wrong fallacy to me.
... your egotistical view that you understand the Bible (through simple reading) better than the church. Phat writes:
You'd clearly be wrong. And you'd be disagreeing with the apostle Paul.
One could argue that "we have the mind of Christ" and yet argue that it's not preinstalled into all humans. Phat writes:
I have no doubt that many groups would shun us for countering their nonsense with sense. I suspect that had you been there, or jar, and began spouting nonsense and challenging the status quo you would be shunned from the group.And our geese will blot out the sun.
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ringo Member (Idle past 411 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
Phat writes:
Certainly your God is fiction. You yourself believe that most gods are fiction. I don't know of any gods that aren't fiction.
You claim not to be an atheist, yet you say God is fiction. True? Phat writes:
The message of Matthew 25 is the message for all social species. Non-social species have evolved other strategies for survival.
You claim that the message of Matthew 25 is the essence of your belief and that we all should strive to give according to our ability. Phat writes:
The site is called EvC. I originally came here for the E but as it turns out, C isn't the only thing that Christians are wrong about. Instead of questioning my motives for pointing out where you're wrong, why don't you question your own motives for being wrong?
Why are you seeking to buck Christianity? Phat writes:
It's always premature to conclude that one is "right". There's always a possibility of becoming wrong - or at least "less right". On the other hand, when you are wrong, it's less likely that you will become right.
And this idea that you are right is...at best...premature. Phat writes:
What difference does it make how strange they are? There would be no valid reason to challenge strangers faith.And our geese will blot out the sun.
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ringo Member (Idle past 411 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
Phat writes:
An argument often sounds good until you hear the other side. I wish you could watch the videos. The apologists have a good argumentAnd our geese will blot out the sun.
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ringo Member (Idle past 411 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
Phat writes:
Show me a good argument and I'll show you a counter-argument. In any case, the counter arguments are at this time unconvincing. Show me a good one.And our geese will blot out the sun.
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ringo Member (Idle past 411 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
Phat writes:
You're getting pretty desperate. That "demon" rubbish just weakens your case for God.
Carrier is under the influence of some pretty strong demons. Phat writes:
I haven't even heard of all gods. There could possibly be one that I don' t know about. By the way, how can you not be an atheist if you believe that all gods are fiction?And our geese will blot out the sun.
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ringo Member (Idle past 411 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
Phat writes:
That's not an argument; it's just an opinion. off the cuff, I would say that A Creator makes more sense to me at least than an eternally expanding/contracting universe. And you're just adding an entity in opposition to Occam's Razor. You might as well say that a diesel engine powered by angels pushing up and down on the pistons "makes nore sense to you".And our geese will blot out the sun.
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ringo Member (Idle past 411 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined:
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Phat writes:
We all have a propensity for evidence. Believers just choose to park their brains at the door in certain circumstances.
Perhaps some of us have a propensity to believe and some of us have a propensity to demand evidence. Phat writes:
That's a copout. "Responsibility to believe" is gibberish.
The problem is, if you did have evidence, it would take away your responsibility to believe. Phat writes:
I didn't "decide not to believe". I just learned that the belief was false, like you learned that the belief in Santa Claus was false. ... but I think you are proud that you logically decided not to believe.And our geese will blot out the sun.
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ringo Member (Idle past 411 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
GDR writes:
Emergent properties. ...and just why does that chemistry exist? Why do all these natural processes exist? The periodic table represents every possible arrangement of protons, neutrons and electrons. Each combination has emergent properties. On the other hand, why does God exist?And our geese will blot out the sun.
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ringo Member (Idle past 411 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
Phat writes:
That doesn't explain why He existed in the first place. To count how much spare change you hand outAnd our geese will blot out the sun.
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ringo Member (Idle past 411 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
Phat writes:
That still doesn't explain why God existed. Humans are hardwired to ask why. GDR asked why chemicals exist. Presumably, his answer is because God created them. So, the next obvious question is: Who created God? If you can just stop asking at God as "the first uncaused thing", then why not start at chemicals as the first uncaused thing?And our geese will blot out the sun.
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