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Message 16 of 381 (845447)
12-15-2018 8:03 PM
Reply to: Message 11 by riVeRraT
12-15-2018 7:52 PM


Oh, but it is true.

Quite often someone is called "non-PC" specifically because of their callous insensitivity to the human condition.

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Message 17 of 381 (845448)
12-15-2018 8:09 PM
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12-15-2018 8:01 PM


Rat writes:

I expressed that already.

Yes you did, you said this

quote:
Short story, when I first felt the Holy Spirit I felt something so amazing, so wondeful, so full of love that I wanted to share it with everyone. I wanted to be like Jesus. Offending people was the last thing on my mind. Well I got a big wake up call as I proceeded the next few years trying to share that love.

You assaulted people with your beliefs. That's why they were offended. Believe it or not, a lot of people think that your beliefs are bonkers and don't want you spraying them with your lunacy.


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Message 18 of 381 (845449)
12-15-2018 8:20 PM
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12-15-2018 8:09 PM


I didn't assault anyone, no more than a transgender has assaulted the world with their beliefs. Again, you are a prime example. Part II of this thread will go on to explain how you don't believe in being offensive, yet readily offend people. You do this by first demonizing them which gives you a license to offend.

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Message 19 of 381 (845457)
12-16-2018 3:32 AM
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12-15-2018 8:20 PM


Rat writes:

Part II of this thread will go on to explain how you don't believe in being offensive, yet readily offend people.

You don't appear to have listened to your own teaching.


Je suis Charlie. Je suis Ahmed. Je suis Juif. Je suis Parisien. I am Mancunian. I am Brum. I am London.I am Finland. Soy Barcelona

"Life, don't talk to me about life" - Marvin the Paranoid Android

"Science adjusts it's views based on what's observed.
Faith is the denial of observation so that Belief can be preserved."
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Message 20 of 381 (845464)
12-16-2018 10:15 AM
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12-16-2018 3:32 AM


Which is?

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Message 21 of 381 (845466)
12-16-2018 10:55 AM
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12-16-2018 10:15 AM


Why don't you get on with trying to make whatever point it is you're trying to make.

There IS something to be worried about with the growth in intolerance of opinions contrary to your own, it's as dangerous as burning books and it's almost as bad a sign.


Je suis Charlie. Je suis Ahmed. Je suis Juif. Je suis Parisien. I am Mancunian. I am Brum. I am London.I am Finland. Soy Barcelona

"Life, don't talk to me about life" - Marvin the Paranoid Android

"Science adjusts it's views based on what's observed.
Faith is the denial of observation so that Belief can be preserved."
- Tim Minchin, in his beat poem, Storm.


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Message 22 of 381 (845470)
12-16-2018 12:23 PM
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12-15-2018 6:17 AM


PC is simply a lie
Interesting topic but of course it's only going to be trashed by the EvC crowd. They simply refuse to get the point that this is a totalitarian tyranny against freedom of speech and insist that it means exactly what you are protesting: racism, xenophobia, all the PC categories. So you can't say you want to build a wall on our southern border or that some of the people crashing the border are undesirable, that's racism. They don't care what you mean, it's racism because that's what PC says it is. And they are never going to cop to that, there's some kind of mental barrier where such recognition exists in a normal mind.

The thing is PC is always a lie, it is not what they say it is, it is not simply a concern for people's feelings, it's a twisting of reality to assassinate the character of anyone on the opposite side of the political fence. So all the Democrats can say exactly what Trump has been saying about the need for a wall and the negative effects of all the illegals crashing our border, which they all did back in 2006, but if Trump or his followers say it that's racism. That's how it works. It's a political weapon, it has nothing to do with actual racism or anything of the sort.

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Edited by Faith, : No reason given.


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Message 23 of 381 (845473)
12-16-2018 12:46 PM
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12-16-2018 12:23 PM


Re: PC is simply a lie
I'm trying to figure out if you are a feckless cunt or a fucking asshole. I guess I'll go with both.
AdminPhat writes:

May as well be PC in a topic about being offended. Lets not throw gasoline on this fire


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Edited by AdminPhat, : jess doin my job


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Message 24 of 381 (845476)
12-16-2018 1:19 PM
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12-15-2018 6:17 AM


The PC police are ruining this world.

Yes they are.

I believe they are trying to accomplish something that can never be accomplished.

Depends. If they sincerely just want to avoid offense maybe so, but the fact is as I say above they invent offenses that don't exist, they call statements racist that aren't, or xenophobic or sexist or whatever is the chosen PC term, and in that case they may very well be accomplishing their aim, which IS to ruin this world. Most may not know it but PC comes from Cultural Marxism which was very definitely out to destroy Western Civilization. It had to be the devil himself who gave them their method, it's truly diabolical and almost supernaturally effective at intimidating people Soviet style just as your clip aims to show.

Short story, when I first felt the Holy Spirit I felt something so amazing, so wondeful, so full of love that I wanted to share it with everyone. I wanted to be like Jesus. Offending people was the last thing on my mind. Well I got a big wake up call as I proceeded the next few years trying to share that love. I found myself offending people with it (especially here). The people being offended probably weren't being offended by me per-say, but by their pre-conceived notions and ignorance of where I was coming from. I found out that you can never be non-offensive.

Quite true. Even sharing a beautiful experience is rejected as offensive. It wouldn't be true of other beautiful experiences though, only a Christian beautiful experience, which ought to hint at what this is really all about at bottom. It is set up so that Christians and conservatives will always be offensive no matter what because this is at least political and at bottom spiritual.

Having said that, and having gone through years of trying to be non-offensive I have decided that being PC or non-offensive is mentally impossible. I think we would be better well served as a society to teach people how "not to be offended".

No doubt but they don't want that to happen either, the principalities and powers I mean who are behind it. Their aim is ultimately to bring down Christianity though their surface aim is against Western Civilization, which of course was a product of Christianity, which is denied but it was. You've said you don't identify with Christianity as such, which I think is too bad because that's what this is all about. And they are getting away with it because the churches have been compromised and getting weaker all the time, which is also the work of the principalities and powers. We can't fight them if we are all scattered lone rangers because our weapons are from God, "not carnal but mighty in God for bringing down strongholds and everything that exalts itself above the knowledge of God." I suppose I'm losing you with this but oh well.

Here is a short clip (yes it is Fox news, suck it). It is an excellent clip showing the state of the PC world and where it is heading. https://www.google.com/...ider.foxnews.com/amp/article/64469

Exactly, PC is totalitarian. It is aimed against whatever is left of this world that so far hasn't succumbed to one or another of the totalitarian ideologies, mostly the West, it's a battering ram.


Teaching people how not to be offended is a much better path for us, change my mind.

I'm sure you're right but I don't think you are recognizing that this is a spiritual battle that is beyond such a method as merely "teaching people not to be offended." Nothing short of a massive reformation and revival of the churches could help us.

Edited by Faith, : No reason given.

Edited by Faith, : No reason given.


He who surrenders the first page of his Bible surrenders all. --John William Burgon, Inspiration and Interpretation, Sermon II.

2Cr 10:4-5 (For the weapons of our warfare [are] not carnal, but mighty through God to the pulling down of strong holds;) Casting down imaginations, and every high thing that exalteth itself against the knowledge of God...

Political Correctness is Cultural Marxism

If fascism comes to America it will be in the form of liberalism -Ronald Reagan


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Message 25 of 381 (845485)
12-16-2018 1:49 PM
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12-16-2018 1:19 PM


Faith writes:

Even sharing a beautiful experience is rejected as offensive. It wouldn't be true of other beautiful experiences though, only a Christian beautiful experience, which ought to hint at what this is really all about at bottom.

For myself, people telling me of their 'beautiful' religious experiences is not offensive - it's embarrassing. I feel embarassed for them and I worry about their mental health. But we don't get it much in the UK. It seems more of a thing in the US, I remember being at dinner with someone who asked me which church I attended, like that was a normal thing to ask a stranger. Unheard of here. My wife had to kick me to stop me telling him that I was a born again hethen, because apparently that offends believers.

When it's the Jehovas Witnesses it's just bloody annoying.

And just so you know, it would be the same if a Hindu or Muslim came out with the same rubbish so you can put yout martydom back into your persecuction box.


Je suis Charlie. Je suis Ahmed. Je suis Juif. Je suis Parisien. I am Mancunian. I am Brum. I am London.I am Finland. Soy Barcelona

"Life, don't talk to me about life" - Marvin the Paranoid Android

"Science adjusts it's views based on what's observed.
Faith is the denial of observation so that Belief can be preserved."
- Tim Minchin, in his beat poem, Storm.


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Message 26 of 381 (845492)
12-16-2018 2:01 PM
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12-15-2018 8:20 PM


riVeRraT writes:

I didn't assault anyone, no more than a transgender has assaulted the world with their beliefs.


I've never met a transgender person who told me how wonderful it is to be transgender and encouraged me to become transgender. Christians do it all the time.

And our geese will blot out the sun.

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Message 27 of 381 (845496)
12-16-2018 2:05 PM
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12-16-2018 1:49 PM


For myself, people telling me of their 'beautiful' religious experiences is not offensive - it's embarrassing.

But that isn't what you said earlier, in Message 2 and Message 17 where you said RR was "forcing his beliefs down people's throats" and "assaulting" them with his beliefs. Pretty offensive it seems to me, not merely embarrassing.


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Message 28 of 381 (845497)
12-16-2018 2:08 PM
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12-16-2018 2:01 PM


I didn't assault anyone, no more than a transgender has assaulted the world with their beliefs.

I've never met a transgender person who told me how wonderful it is to be transgender and encouraged me to become transgender. Christians do it all the time.

They do it by denouncing you if you don't believe transgender is a normal condition, or even suing you in some circumstances. That is certainly an assault on a person, or focing an opinion down someone's throat.


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Message 29 of 381 (845499)
12-16-2018 2:13 PM
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12-16-2018 2:08 PM


Faith writes:

They do it by denouncing you if you don't believe transgender is a normal condition, or even suing you in some circumstances.


It doesn't make any difference whether or not I think they're "normal". I think all they want is to be treated with dignity, like anybody else. I try to do that whether I think they're "normal" or not.

And our geese will blot out the sun.

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Message 30 of 381 (845502)
12-16-2018 2:21 PM
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12-16-2018 2:13 PM


They set you up to offend by giving your opinion and then they denounce you or sue you for it. Like gays setting up a bakery to deny them a cake for a gay wedding and then suing them for refusing it. That's the tactic. It is not a simple matter of avoiding offense at all.

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