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GDR
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Message 61 of 381 (845606)
12-17-2018 4:42 PM
Reply to: Message 58 by Faith
12-17-2018 4:06 PM


Re: Respectful Offense
Faith writes:

Yes I gathered you've been stupidly supporting possible terrorists. Jesus does not teach us to expose our neighbors to terrorists. You are a complete idiot and you are not a follower of Jesus Christ who would never countenance such a wacked out idea of His love as yours. So are you like those crazy "Christians" who turned a church into a mosque out of a misguided idea of Jesus" love? It's really hatred. It's evil.
And yes the US has done a great deal for the suffering of the world. So far we've done it fairly sanely in order to preserve the means that make such help possible. Your methods would destroy those means. You are a blithering idiot GDR and you are NOT a follower of Jesus Christ. As for government corruptions it's been getting bad because of the Left and your crazy misreading of Jesus is a Leftist style insanity that will only add to the corruptions. I consider you an opponent of everything good in this world, Jesus' love above all.

And this is the problem with Biblical liiteralsim. You can completely ignore what Jesus taught and lived, because you can find a verse somewhere in the Bible to support anything that you want it to. It can be used to support anything from genocide to the prosperity gospel to total pacifism.

You say that "I consider you an opponent of everything good in this world, Jesus' love above all." I just wonder if you can find a phrase in your post that sounds at all like the love of Jesus.


He has told you, O man, what is good ; And what does the LORD require of you But to do justice, to love kindness, And to walk humbly with your God.

Micah 6:8


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JoeT
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Message 62 of 381 (845610)
12-17-2018 5:05 PM
Reply to: Message 58 by Faith
12-17-2018 4:06 PM


Re: Respectful Offense
Yes I gathered you've been stupidly supporting possible terrorists. Jesus does not teach us to expose our neighbors to terrorists. You are a complete idiot and you are not a follower of Jesus Christ who would never countenance such a wacked out idea of His love as yours. So are you like those crazy "Christians" who turned a church into a mosque out of a misguided idea of Jesus" love? It's really hatred. It's evil.
And yes the US has done a great deal for the suffering of the world. So far we've done it fairly sanely in order to preserve the means that make such help possible. Your methods would destroy those means. You are a blithering idiot GDR and you are NOT a follower of Jesus Christ. As for government corruptions it's been getting bad because of the Left and your crazy misreading of Jesus is a Leftist style insanity that will only add to the corruptions. I consider you an opponent of everything good in this world, Jesus' love above all.

I have read GDR's post and your response over and over trying to make some sense of the strength of your response. I even went back a bit to see if you two had some history and saw that GDR is a pretty calm and reasonable poster, and has some interesting perspectives on things. What I cannot find is any reason for you to be so mean and hateful to somebody saying that they, through their church, try to help people. Am I missing something here?


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Faith 
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Message 63 of 381 (845613)
12-17-2018 7:02 PM
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12-17-2018 4:42 PM


Re: Respectful Offense
I just wonder if you can find a phrase in your post that sounds at all like the love of Jesus.

You're right.

Edited by Faith, : No reason given.


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GDR
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Message 64 of 381 (845614)
12-17-2018 7:27 PM
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12-17-2018 7:02 PM


Re: Respectful Offense
Faith writes:

Yes, all of it.

Funny idea of love.

He has told you, O man, what is good ; And what does the LORD require of you But to do justice, to love kindness, And to walk humbly with your God.

Micah 6:8


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Dr Adequate
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Message 65 of 381 (845620)
12-17-2018 9:38 PM
Reply to: Message 36 by riVeRraT
12-16-2018 9:40 PM


You think you are being right. There is no objective evidence that you are.

There is objective evidence that I am. There is ample, widespread and convincing evidence that people all across the political spectrum are irritated by people trying to make converts to their faith, and that they have been irritated by this long before the concept of "PC" existed. You yourself would probably not relish spending ten minutes listening to an earnest Jehovah's Witness explaining why everyone in your church is going to hell. This is not because you are tainted with political correctness, this is because of human nature. Being proselytized to is embarrassing, like you'd feel if someone you found really unattractive was explaining to you at length why you should date them.

Classing this same irritation and embarrassment, when directed to yourself as a form of "political correctness" extends that term further than it will go.


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herebedragons
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Message 66 of 381 (845621)
12-17-2018 10:29 PM
Reply to: Message 35 by riVeRraT
12-16-2018 8:36 PM


Re: Still missing the point.
When I said "share it with everyone" all I meant was God's Love. I never said I was going around trying to convince people to believe in Jesus so they can go to heaven.

So let me get this straight... people were offended that you were feeding the poor, helping the sick, caring for those most in need, giving them clothes, digging wells, building schools, etc... ?? That seems odd. Can you think of any reason they would be offended by those things? Maybe there was some other way you were sharing "God's love"?

There even thise that try to do things for the "greater good" in 3rd wolrd countries and find themselves offending people.

Maybe they were not being sensitive to the local culture and trying to push Western values on them. The "greater good" doesn't mean turning them into something they are not.

You will never be able to be non-offensive, change my mind.

You cannot control how others react to you. All you can do is to consider the other person more important than yourself and try to be sensitive to their needs and what is important to them. And share God's love by doing right.

HBD


Whoever calls me ignorant shares my own opinion. Sorrowfully and tacitly I recognize my ignorance, when I consider how much I lack of what my mind in its craving for knowledge is sighing for... I console myself with the consideration that this belongs to our common nature. - Francesco Petrarca

"Nothing is easier than to persuade people who want to be persuaded and already believe." - another Petrarca gem.

Ignorance is a most formidable opponent rivaled only by arrogance; but when the two join forces, one is all but invincible.


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herebedragons
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Message 67 of 381 (845622)
12-17-2018 10:37 PM
Reply to: Message 62 by JoeT
12-17-2018 5:05 PM


Re: Respectful Offense
Am I missing something here?

Welcome, and yes, this is Faith's basic modus operandi. Anything she disagrees with is evil, stupid, hateful, etc... I would like to say that underneath all that animosity she is basically a good person, but there is just nothing I have seen in hundreds of conversations with her that would lend support to that statement.

HBD


Whoever calls me ignorant shares my own opinion. Sorrowfully and tacitly I recognize my ignorance, when I consider how much I lack of what my mind in its craving for knowledge is sighing for... I console myself with the consideration that this belongs to our common nature. - Francesco Petrarca

"Nothing is easier than to persuade people who want to be persuaded and already believe." - another Petrarca gem.

Ignorance is a most formidable opponent rivaled only by arrogance; but when the two join forces, one is all but invincible.


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herebedragons
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Message 68 of 381 (845623)
12-17-2018 11:00 PM
Reply to: Message 64 by GDR
12-17-2018 7:27 PM


Re: Respectful Offense
Funny idea of love.

I think this perspective of hers comes from the idea that everything is God's will. So if there are poor or other undesirables it is because God wills it and they serve a divine purpose. And if they are going to be saved or healed or fed, it will happen regardless of what we do, since God wills it. So there is just no need to take risks because God is in control and whatever he wants to happen will happen. I think this is the same reason why so many evangelicals reject climate change... God is in control of the environment, not man. Of course, I personally reject this theology as non-Biblical, corrupt and against human decency.

Everything you said in Message 52 was spot on, IMHO. In addition, we should be addressing the issues that cause people to flee their homelands. I can't imagine life being so horrible that you would want to pack up and walk several thousand miles to an unknown, unfriendly land. But instead of working to fix these problems, we have actually either caused many of the problems or exacerbated them.

The christian right have sold their souls to the devil in order to achieve their political agenda and it is very discouraging. It's good to hear a fellow Christian who has not lost the main point.

HBD


Whoever calls me ignorant shares my own opinion. Sorrowfully and tacitly I recognize my ignorance, when I consider how much I lack of what my mind in its craving for knowledge is sighing for... I console myself with the consideration that this belongs to our common nature. - Francesco Petrarca

"Nothing is easier than to persuade people who want to be persuaded and already believe." - another Petrarca gem.

Ignorance is a most formidable opponent rivaled only by arrogance; but when the two join forces, one is all but invincible.


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Dr Adequate
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Message 69 of 381 (845625)
12-17-2018 11:21 PM
Reply to: Message 58 by Faith
12-17-2018 4:06 PM


Re: Respectful Offense
Yes I gathered you've been stupidly supporting possible terrorists.

"Possible terrorists"? EVERYONE'S a possible terrorist, Faith, except maybe people in irreversible comas. Under that rubric you can hate anyone. The pro-life movement "stupidly supports possible terrorists", because any one of those embryos could possibly grow up to be a terrorist.

The only way this dumb phrase could have any significance is if refugees are significantly likely to be terrorists.

Faith, please list me all the deadly terrorist attacks committed by refugees since the Refugee Act of 1980. It won't take you long.

Some figures to think about. This year the Trump administration admitted about 22000 refugees, as the end result of a screening process that takes about 2 years.

For comparison, that's fewer than the number of people released from prison (not local jails, but proper straight-up prison) on to the streets every two weeks. Over a year the figure is about 640000.

So on the one hand we have 640000 people found criminal enough to serve time, and on the other hand we have 22000 people who have been investigated by the Department of Homeland Security and found kosher --- and also genuinely in need of asylum, Faith, they don't just check that they're not terrorists, they also check that they really are fleeing genocide, torture, religious persecution.

And for which group do you reserve your hysteria? Because they are possible terrorists?

Jesus does not teach us to expose our neighbors to terrorists.

But Jesus did have a little something to say about possible terrorists. He told the parable of the Good Samaritan. Just to remind you of the historical context, the Jews and Samaritans had a history of mutual hatred and bloody conflict in which the Jews had destroyed the Samaritan temple. And Jesus praised the good Samaritan who helped the Jew.

Please note that the Samaritan didn't have a Department of Homeland Security to screen the Jew for two years to see if he was a good Jew or a bad Jew. All he knew was that he was of the race that had persecuted and slaughtered his people. And he expended time and money helping him.

Compare and contrast your attitude to refugees. They have been carefully screened, they have been found worthy of refugee status, and no-one is asking you to help them with time, money, or anything else; but when you see someone like GDR who does help them (or their Canadian counterparts) you tell him that he is "an opponent of everything good in this world, Jesus' love above all".

Faith, GDR is following Jesus' teachings; he is following the example of the good Samaritan.

And you, Faith, you also have your own place in that parable. For nearly two millennia the Gospels have supplied us with a word for "religious" people of your kind, people who boast of their piety and religion but are cold-hearted hypocrites without charity or mercy.

That word, Faith, is Pharisee.


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Faith 
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Message 70 of 381 (845629)
12-18-2018 4:04 AM
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12-17-2018 11:00 PM


Re: Respectful Offense
I think this perspective of hers comes from the idea that everything is God's will. So if there are poor or other undesirables it is because God wills it and they serve a divine purpose. And if they are going to be saved or healed or fed, it will happen regardless of what we do, since God wills it. So there is just no need to take risks because God is in control and whatever he wants to happen will happen. I think this is the same reason why so many evangelicals reject climate change... God is in control of the environment, not man.
Oh nonsense.

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herebedragons
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Message 71 of 381 (845631)
12-18-2018 8:28 AM
Reply to: Message 70 by Faith
12-18-2018 4:04 AM


Re: Respectful Offense
Oh nonsense.

What is it then, Faith? I am legitimately trying to understand how "Biblical Christians" can take the types of positions you take. I find these ideas to be against everything I understand Christianity to be about and I am trying to understand how you justify your position Biblically. Obviously there is some way you justify it and my explanation seems reasonable. But I wonder... how is fear Biblical? How is trying to protect what's yours Biblical? I sincerely don't get it.

HBD


Whoever calls me ignorant shares my own opinion. Sorrowfully and tacitly I recognize my ignorance, when I consider how much I lack of what my mind in its craving for knowledge is sighing for... I console myself with the consideration that this belongs to our common nature. - Francesco Petrarca

"Nothing is easier than to persuade people who want to be persuaded and already believe." - another Petrarca gem.

Ignorance is a most formidable opponent rivaled only by arrogance; but when the two join forces, one is all but invincible.


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herebedragons
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Message 72 of 381 (845632)
12-18-2018 8:36 AM
Reply to: Message 69 by Dr Adequate
12-17-2018 11:21 PM


Re: Respectful Offense
Very well said, Dr. A. I find it very sad that an atheist has a better grip on what the Bible teaches than a "TRUE Biblical Christian."

Of course, I'm sure Faith doesn't see it that way...

HBD


Whoever calls me ignorant shares my own opinion. Sorrowfully and tacitly I recognize my ignorance, when I consider how much I lack of what my mind in its craving for knowledge is sighing for... I console myself with the consideration that this belongs to our common nature. - Francesco Petrarca

"Nothing is easier than to persuade people who want to be persuaded and already believe." - another Petrarca gem.

Ignorance is a most formidable opponent rivaled only by arrogance; but when the two join forces, one is all but invincible.


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Message 73 of 381 (845635)
12-18-2018 9:47 AM
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12-18-2018 8:36 AM


Re: Respectful Offense
I agree with you guys. I believe in God, and I believe that there is some way that He edifies my inner spirit and conscience with His Spirit, though of course cannot prove it. I won't go as far as jar did and predict that most of the Christians will be goats, though I do believe that the atheists, secular humanists, and non-religious Bible students on this forum have something to say. It is sheer arrogance to think that believers alone have the only possible consensus on what God will and will not do. Ringo claims that doing the message is tantamount to knowing the messenger. I will keep EvC Forum in my prayers, as I believe that God is using non-believers to impact a changing world.

Chance as a real force is a myth. It has no basis in reality and no place in scientific inquiry. For science and philosophy to continue to advance in knowledge, chance must be demythologized once and for all. –RC Sproul
"A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." –Mark Twain "
~"If that's not sufficient for you go soak your head."~Faith

You can "get answers" by watching the ducks. That doesn't mean the answers are coming from them.~Ringo

Subjectivism may very well undermine Christianity.
In the same way that "allowing people to choose what they want to be when they grow up" undermines communism.
~Stile


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ringo
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Message 74 of 381 (845639)
12-18-2018 10:51 AM
Reply to: Message 58 by Faith
12-17-2018 4:06 PM


Re: Respectful Offense
Faith writes:

Jesus does not teach us to expose our neighbors to terrorists.


That would be covered under turning the other cheek.

Faith writes:

... you are NOT a follower of Jesus Christ.


That would be covered under not judging lest ye be judged.

And our geese will blot out the sun.

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Message 75 of 381 (845654)
12-18-2018 12:56 PM
Reply to: Message 22 by Faith
12-16-2018 12:23 PM


Re: PC is simply a lie
Hi Faith, I hope you are well.

I think that rather than totalitarianism it is more that the current societal norms do not match and socially sanction yours.

That’s always been the case when one is out of step with the mainstream.

Did you know that some episodes of the American show ‘Friends’ are now considered inappropriate?

When I watched them in the 90’s I laughed along with everyone when Ross was being poked fun at for his wife running off with another woman: comedy gold! My 18 yr old Nephew told me it was outdated and insensitive.

I think you are conflating totalitarianism with the normative social values not matching your own anymore: my nephew thinks I’m his version of the ‘racist uncle’ trope.

Time makes fools of us all.


The above ontological example models the zero premise to BB theory. It does so by applying the relative uniformity assumption that the alleged zero event eventually ontologically progressed from the compressed alleged sub-microscopic chaos to bloom/expand into all of the present observable order, more than it models the Biblical record evidence for the existence of Jehovah, the maximal Biblical god designer.
-Attributed to Buzsaw Message 53

The explain to them any scientific investigation that explains the existence of things qualifies as science and as an explanation
-Attributed to Dawn Bertot Message 286

Does a query (thats a question Stile) that uses this physical reality, to look for an answer to its existence and properties become theoretical, considering its deductive conclusions are based against objective verifiable realities.
-Attributed to Dawn Bertot Message 134


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