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Larni
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Message 76 of 381 (845656)
12-18-2018 1:06 PM
Reply to: Message 38 by caffeine
12-17-2018 6:41 AM


I see your point but it is possible to challenge racism (or anything that you disagree with) without being personally offended.

If someone is offend by that challenge that’s on them.


The above ontological example models the zero premise to BB theory. It does so by applying the relative uniformity assumption that the alleged zero event eventually ontologically progressed from the compressed alleged sub-microscopic chaos to bloom/expand into all of the present observable order, more than it models the Biblical record evidence for the existence of Jehovah, the maximal Biblical god designer.
-Attributed to Buzsaw Message 53

The explain to them any scientific investigation that explains the existence of things qualifies as science and as an explanation
-Attributed to Dawn Bertot Message 286

Does a query (thats a question Stile) that uses this physical reality, to look for an answer to its existence and properties become theoretical, considering its deductive conclusions are based against objective verifiable realities.
-Attributed to Dawn Bertot Message 134


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Message 77 of 381 (845670)
12-18-2018 4:39 PM
Reply to: Message 47 by Faith
12-17-2018 2:59 PM


Re: Respectful Offense
Faith writes:

Trump wants to build a wall on our southern border.

...

And his supporters are beaten up in the streets for wearing a MAGA hat, and while attending right wing events, as racists and xenophobes for simply being his supporters.

This thread is about doing things because they are PC or not.

Are they beaten up because they are PC or not?
Or are they beaten up for "simply being his supporters?"

I agree that beating up people for any reason is wrong.
But I asked you for a PC example, and I think you got confused and just grabbed any example that has any notion of PC connected to it in anyway.

And of course there's the case of Christian businesses being asked to provide special services for a gay wedding, which Christians cannot do because gay marriage is a violation of God's law. When they say, extremely politely, that they cannot do that but the customer is welcome to anything else they provide, they get sued as homophobes and violators of civil rights, fined huge fines or driven completely out of business.

This is much closer.

I don't see an issue here.

First - who was ever sued as a homophobe? Is that even against the law?

They were, and rightly so, sued for violating civil rights.
The times when the Christian business was doing what you described here - they won in court as they were not violating civil rights.
The times when the Christian business was doing worse than you described here - discriminating - they lost in court as they were violating civil rights.

Seems to be the law working as it should - treating everyone equally as it should be.
If you're trying to say that Christians should be exempt from being sued for violating civil rights - that seems incredibly unreasonable.

Where's the tyranny? Are all Christians out of business or something and I didn't notice? I get the feeling you're greatly exaggerating things.


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Faith
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Message 78 of 381 (845674)
12-18-2018 6:05 PM
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12-18-2018 4:39 PM


Re: Respectful Offense
The point was that merely wanting a wall along our southern border got Trump and his supporters called PC names like racist and xenophobic, plus the punishment of being beaten up.

Not being willing to make a cake to celebrate a gay wedding implies the PC epithet homophobic, plus the punishment of a fine or being forced out of business.

Edited by Faith, : No reason given.


He who surrenders the first page of his Bible surrenders all. --John William Burgon, Inspiration and Interpretation, Sermon II.

2Cr 10:4-5 (For the weapons of our warfare [are] not carnal, but mighty through God to the pulling down of strong holds;) Casting down imaginations, and every high thing that exalteth itself against the knowledge of God...

Political Correctness is Cultural Marxism

If fascism comes to America it will be in the form of liberalism -Ronald Reagan


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Faith
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Message 79 of 381 (845675)
12-18-2018 6:08 PM
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12-18-2018 12:56 PM


Re: PC is simply a lie
PC comes from Cultural Marxism which leads to totalitarianism. It's already implicit in the fact that we are soundly shut up by the "PC Police" if we transgress their categories and now subject to punitive action as I just described in the previous post. The Russian comediian in the video in the OP says PC is the same thing as the oppression he lived under in the USSR.

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He who surrenders the first page of his Bible surrenders all. --John William Burgon, Inspiration and Interpretation, Sermon II.

2Cr 10:4-5 (For the weapons of our warfare [are] not carnal, but mighty through God to the pulling down of strong holds;) Casting down imaginations, and every high thing that exalteth itself against the knowledge of God...

Political Correctness is Cultural Marxism

If fascism comes to America it will be in the form of liberalism -Ronald Reagan


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Faith
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Message 80 of 381 (845676)
12-18-2018 6:11 PM
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12-18-2018 10:51 AM


Re: Respectful Offense
You really don't understand those teachings at all.

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Faith
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Message 81 of 381 (845677)
12-18-2018 6:12 PM
Reply to: Message 73 by Thugpreacha
12-18-2018 9:47 AM


Re: Respectful Offense
It is sheer arrogance to think that believers alone have the only possible consensus on what God will and will not do.

You are seriously deceived.


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Faith
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Message 82 of 381 (845678)
12-18-2018 6:14 PM
Reply to: Message 72 by herebedragons
12-18-2018 8:36 AM


Re: Respectful Offense
I find it very sad that an atheist has a better grip on what the Bible teaches than a "TRUE Biblical Christian.

What is really really gut-wrenchingly sad to me is that a supposed Christian has so little understanding of what Christianity is all about.


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Faith
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Message 83 of 381 (845679)
12-18-2018 6:19 PM
Reply to: Message 71 by herebedragons
12-18-2018 8:28 AM


Re: Respectful Offense
how is fear Biblical?

I don't know what kind of Christian environment your church creates, but fear of Hell is a pretty healthy starting place for becoming a believer, we are to know we are sinners and that sin deserves eternal punishment. If you don't agree with that you must have a seriously diluted version of Christianity. And then of course there is fear of God, and that can be serious fear. It means we recognize that violating God's law has serious consequences, which leads us to avoid doing the things that bring them on.

How is trying to protect what's yours Biblical?

I don't get the question.


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Dr Adequate
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Message 84 of 381 (845680)
12-18-2018 6:22 PM
Reply to: Message 79 by Faith
12-18-2018 6:08 PM


Re: PC is simply a lie
PC comes from Cultural Marxism ...

Ah yes, Cultural Marxism.

PC comes from Cultural Marxism which leads to totalitarianism.

Well does it? That's more than we know. Actual Marxism leads to totalitarianism, but remember the whole reason you guys had to start accusing people of "Cultural" Marxism was because they weren't actual Marxists. Can you show me an instance where this new thing, this "Cultural" Marxism has ever led to totalitarianism?

It's already implicit in the fact that we are soundly shut up by the "PC Police" if we transgress their categories ..

Oh Faith, have you been silenced again? It seems to happen all the time, judging by the way you never shut up about it. Sheesh do you ever listen to yourself?


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Faith
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Message 85 of 381 (845681)
12-18-2018 6:23 PM
Reply to: Message 69 by Dr Adequate
12-17-2018 11:21 PM


Re: Respectful Offense
The problem is that most people are under the illusion that Islam is just another religion when in fact it prescribes taking over the world and mistreating those who refuse to accept it. A few refugees won't act on it because they don't have the power in small numbers, but you should read the book "Philistine" which quotes Muslim leaders about the overall plan to grow the Muslim population in other countries until they reach the point where they can take over the government and force Sharia Law on everybody. It's already happened in many other countries.
Before that, however, some of them may feel Allah calling them to blow people up or shoot into a crowd. Boston marathon etc. GDR's church is helping a Syrian family. All very nice of course on the surface but ignorant and dangerous.

The Good Samaritan took care of a suffering individual as we all should.

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Faith
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Message 86 of 381 (845682)
12-18-2018 6:26 PM
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12-18-2018 6:22 PM


Re: PC is simply a lie
The "humor" of pernicious ignorance.

Go listen to the video linked in the OP to hear a Russian comedian talk about the oppression of PC as the same as what he experienced in the USSR.

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Faith
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Message 87 of 381 (845683)
12-18-2018 6:33 PM
Reply to: Message 67 by herebedragons
12-17-2018 10:37 PM


Re: Respectful Offense
GDR calls true Christianity the "goats" just as jar always has. GDR's beliefs are like any cult's. He thinks being nicey nice is all there is to it, and he portrays Jesus as a stupid wimp, denies His deity, denies a lot of the supernatural events of the Bible, denies that God in the OT IS God, and that Jesus is the Second Person of the Trinity and is therefore that God Himself; God who was born into human flesh in order to perfectly obey God's Law in our place and die for all our sins in our place. He calls the Gospel itself selfishness. I lost it when he came on with his line condemning the true traditional Christianity but even so you are in bad shape if you'd support his heresy against historical Christianity. Your church must teach a pretty watered down Christianity.

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Faith
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Message 88 of 381 (845684)
12-18-2018 6:56 PM
Reply to: Message 52 by GDR
12-17-2018 3:26 PM


Re: Respectful Offense
Here's GDR's first outrageous post:

As an outsider in this US debate I just want to add this.
The Christian message is that we are called to love our neighbours whoever and wherever they may be. (That is not the same as approving their actions.) The message is that we are all one tribe or nation.

Building walls to wall off our neighbours is the opposite of what Jesus taught. Instead of walling them off we should be feeding the hungry, providing shelter for the homeless etc. Jesus calls us to respond with love and not walls. It isn't easy at all, but it was how Jesus said that He and His fellow Jews were to respond to the brutal domination of the Romans. He called for them to love their enemy, turn the other cheek and go the extra mile.

Yes the utterly stupid Open Borders position taken by some "churches." Like the utterly stupid "church" that turned a church building into a mosque. And this is all supposed to be Jesus' love, and apparently I can't prove it isn't, so far gone is today's evil new version of "Christianity." These ideas are destructive of all order and earthly peace, just like all the PC tyrannies.

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ringo
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Message 89 of 381 (845686)
12-18-2018 7:26 PM
Reply to: Message 80 by Faith
12-18-2018 6:11 PM


Re: Respectful Offense
Faith writes:

You really don't understand those teachings at all.


I've explained my understanding, quoting scripture to back it up. All you say in rebuttal is, "Nuh uh."

And our geese will blot out the sun.

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GDR
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Message 90 of 381 (845688)
12-18-2018 7:57 PM
Reply to: Message 87 by Faith
12-18-2018 6:33 PM


Re: Respectful Offense
You seem fine Faith with saying what I believe without reading the things I've written'
Faith writes:

GDR calls true Christianity the "goats" just as jar always has.

I did not say that. The goats are the ones that don't have a heart for others.
Faith writes:

He thinks being nicey nice is all there is to it, and he portrays Jesus as a stupid wimp,

Nonsense. Jesus went into Jerusalem knowing what would happen to Him. It took courage to say to His fellow Jews that evil is defeated with love and that includes the Romans.
Faith writes:

denies His deity,

Again nonsense. Jesus was anointed by the Father and enthroned by the Father to be Lord of all nations.
Faith writes:

denies a lot of the supernatural events of the Bible

I'm not sure what you mean but I believe in the healing stories in the NT and most importantly in the resurrection.
Faith writes:

denies that God in the OT IS God

..and again nonsense. God chose the usually enslaved little tribe of nomads to reveal His truths climaxing in Jesus.
Faith writes:

and that Jesus is the Second Person of the Trinity

Batting 100. Jesus is the 2nd person of the Trinity.
Faith writes:

God who was born into human flesh in order to perfectly obey God's Law in our place and die for all our sins in our place.

That's a little more complicated. Jesus embodied the Word of God. He also prayed to God the Father and did sacrifice His life, standing in as the perfect Jew for all mankind.
Faith writes:

He calls the Gospel itself selfishness.

The Gospel is anything but until fundamentalists twist it all out of shape.

As you feel free to criticize my church let me just say that your church, (assuming your church thinks as you do), teaches a message that doesn't conform to the Biblical message and certainly doesn't conform to Jesus' teaching. Your church teaches that it is all about personal salvation and ensuring you're on the right side of the ledger in the next life, and if you follow a life that loves other so much the better. As I've said you are modern Pharisees turning doctrinal belief into the law.


He has told you, O man, what is good ; And what does the LORD require of you But to do justice, to love kindness, And to walk humbly with your God.

Micah 6:8


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