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Faith 
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Message 63 of 444 (845613)
12-17-2018 7:02 PM
Reply to: Message 61 by GDR
12-17-2018 4:42 PM


Re: Respectful Offense
I just wonder if you can find a phrase in your post that sounds at all like the love of Jesus.
You're right.
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Message 70 of 444 (845629)
12-18-2018 4:04 AM
Reply to: Message 68 by herebedragons
12-17-2018 11:00 PM


Re: Respectful Offense
I think this perspective of hers comes from the idea that everything is God's will. So if there are poor or other undesirables it is because God wills it and they serve a divine purpose. And if they are going to be saved or healed or fed, it will happen regardless of what we do, since God wills it. So there is just no need to take risks because God is in control and whatever he wants to happen will happen. I think this is the same reason why so many evangelicals reject climate change... God is in control of the environment, not man.
Oh nonsense.

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Message 78 of 444 (845674)
12-18-2018 6:05 PM
Reply to: Message 77 by Stile
12-18-2018 4:39 PM


Re: Respectful Offense
The point was that merely wanting a wall along our southern border got Trump and his supporters called PC names like racist and xenophobic, plus the punishment of being beaten up.
Not being willing to make a cake to celebrate a gay wedding implies the PC epithet homophobic, plus the punishment of a fine or being forced out of business.
Edited by Faith, : No reason given.

He who surrenders the first page of his Bible surrenders all. --John William Burgon, Inspiration and Interpretation, Sermon II.
2Cr 10:4-5 (For the weapons of our warfare [are] not carnal, but mighty through God to the pulling down of strong holds Casting down imaginations, and every high thing that exalteth itself against the knowledge of God...
Political Correctness is Cultural Marxism
If fascism comes to America it will be in the form of liberalism -Ronald Reagan

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Message 79 of 444 (845675)
12-18-2018 6:08 PM
Reply to: Message 75 by Larni
12-18-2018 12:56 PM


Re: PC is simply a lie
PC comes from Cultural Marxism which leads to totalitarianism. It's already implicit in the fact that we are soundly shut up by the "PC Police" if we transgress their categories and now subject to punitive action as I just described in the previous post. The Russian comediian in the video in the OP says PC is the same thing as the oppression he lived under in the USSR.
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He who surrenders the first page of his Bible surrenders all. --John William Burgon, Inspiration and Interpretation, Sermon II.
2Cr 10:4-5 (For the weapons of our warfare [are] not carnal, but mighty through God to the pulling down of strong holds Casting down imaginations, and every high thing that exalteth itself against the knowledge of God...
Political Correctness is Cultural Marxism
If fascism comes to America it will be in the form of liberalism -Ronald Reagan

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Message 80 of 444 (845676)
12-18-2018 6:11 PM
Reply to: Message 74 by ringo
12-18-2018 10:51 AM


Re: Respectful Offense
You really don't understand those teachings at all.

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Message 81 of 444 (845677)
12-18-2018 6:12 PM
Reply to: Message 73 by Phat
12-18-2018 9:47 AM


Re: Respectful Offense
It is sheer arrogance to think that believers alone have the only possible consensus on what God will and will not do.
You are seriously deceived.

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Message 82 of 444 (845678)
12-18-2018 6:14 PM
Reply to: Message 72 by herebedragons
12-18-2018 8:36 AM


Re: Respectful Offense
I find it very sad that an atheist has a better grip on what the Bible teaches than a "TRUE Biblical Christian.
What is really really gut-wrenchingly sad to me is that a supposed Christian has so little understanding of what Christianity is all about.

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Message 83 of 444 (845679)
12-18-2018 6:19 PM
Reply to: Message 71 by herebedragons
12-18-2018 8:28 AM


Re: Respectful Offense
how is fear Biblical?
I don't know what kind of Christian environment your church creates, but fear of Hell is a pretty healthy starting place for becoming a believer, we are to know we are sinners and that sin deserves eternal punishment. If you don't agree with that you must have a seriously diluted version of Christianity. And then of course there is fear of God, and that can be serious fear. It means we recognize that violating God's law has serious consequences, which leads us to avoid doing the things that bring them on.
How is trying to protect what's yours Biblical?
I don't get the question.

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Message 85 of 444 (845681)
12-18-2018 6:23 PM
Reply to: Message 69 by Dr Adequate
12-17-2018 11:21 PM


Re: Respectful Offense
The problem is that most people are under the illusion that Islam is just another religion when in fact it prescribes taking over the world and mistreating those who refuse to accept it. A few refugees won't act on it because they don't have the power in small numbers, but you should read the book "Philistine" which quotes Muslim leaders about the overall plan to grow the Muslim population in other countries until they reach the point where they can take over the government and force Sharia Law on everybody. It's already happened in many other countries.
Before that, however, some of them may feel Allah calling them to blow people up or shoot into a crowd. Boston marathon etc. GDR's church is helping a Syrian family. All very nice of course on the surface but ignorant and dangerous.
The Good Samaritan took care of a suffering individual as we all should.
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Message 86 of 444 (845682)
12-18-2018 6:26 PM
Reply to: Message 84 by Dr Adequate
12-18-2018 6:22 PM


Re: PC is simply a lie
The "humor" of pernicious ignorance.
Go listen to the video linked in the OP to hear a Russian comedian talk about the oppression of PC as the same as what he experienced in the USSR.
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Message 87 of 444 (845683)
12-18-2018 6:33 PM
Reply to: Message 67 by herebedragons
12-17-2018 10:37 PM


Re: Respectful Offense
GDR calls true Christianity the "goats" just as jar always has. GDR's beliefs are like any cult's. He thinks being nicey nice is all there is to it, and he portrays Jesus as a stupid wimp, denies His deity, denies a lot of the supernatural events of the Bible, denies that God in the OT IS God, and that Jesus is the Second Person of the Trinity and is therefore that God Himself; God who was born into human flesh in order to perfectly obey God's Law in our place and die for all our sins in our place. He calls the Gospel itself selfishness. I lost it when he came on with his line condemning the true traditional Christianity but even so you are in bad shape if you'd support his heresy against historical Christianity. Your church must teach a pretty watered down Christianity.
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Faith 
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Message 88 of 444 (845684)
12-18-2018 6:56 PM
Reply to: Message 52 by GDR
12-17-2018 3:26 PM


Re: Respectful Offense
Here's GDR's first outrageous post:
As an outsider in this US debate I just want to add this.
The Christian message is that we are called to love our neighbours whoever and wherever they may be. (That is not the same as approving their actions.) The message is that we are all one tribe or nation.
Building walls to wall off our neighbours is the opposite of what Jesus taught. Instead of walling them off we should be feeding the hungry, providing shelter for the homeless etc. Jesus calls us to respond with love and not walls. It isn't easy at all, but it was how Jesus said that He and His fellow Jews were to respond to the brutal domination of the Romans. He called for them to love their enemy, turn the other cheek and go the extra mile.
Yes the utterly stupid Open Borders position taken by some "churches." Like the utterly stupid "church" that turned a church building into a mosque. And this is all supposed to be Jesus' love, and apparently I can't prove it isn't, so far gone is today's evil new version of "Christianity." These ideas are destructive of all order and earthly peace, just like all the PC tyrannies.
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Message 112 of 444 (845715)
12-19-2018 4:21 AM
Reply to: Message 109 by GDR
12-19-2018 2:26 AM


Re: Respectful Offense
... Faith [is] afraid of the one in a million more chance that one of those that come in might be a terrorist.
NO

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Faith 
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Message 116 of 444 (845730)
12-19-2018 1:51 PM
Reply to: Message 109 by GDR
12-19-2018 2:26 AM


Re: Respectful Offense
You and Faith are afraid of the one in a million more chance that one of those that come in might be a terrorist.
Speaking for myself, this does not represent my point of view. Any Muslim could be a terrorist, and could become a terrorist at any point even if not at the moment. That's because terrorism is built into Islam. There are Syrians who are not Muslims, and it's possible to be a Muslim without accepting the parts that turn people into terrorists, but it's also possible to accept those parts at any time and become a terrorist. Because it's built into Islam. You don't say if your Syrian refugees are Muslim but since Christian Syrians weren't high on Obama's list for acceptance in the US I'd guess maybe Canada has a similar attitude, so it's a good guess yours is Muslim. They'd rather just make everybody Muslim and that just takes growing their numbers. Muslims aren't interested in assimilating in any case. They will remain separate, work to get Sharia Law in force, one way or another work to establish the Kalifa in which the whole world belongs to Allah.
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Faith 
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Message 124 of 444 (845768)
12-20-2018 1:02 PM
Reply to: Message 122 by herebedragons
12-20-2018 10:02 AM


Re: Respectful Offense
The problem is that if you don't talk about Hell you mislead people. You can't scare people into heaven, true, but that's not the point. The point is to present the whole reality that we need to be saved from. I certainly don't promote "the salvation prayer," that's a shuck so don't impute that to me. But Jesus Himself spoke of Hell, quite a few times as a matter of fact, more than any other reference in the entire Bible I think.
we are to know we are sinners and that sin deserves eternal punishment.
Sure... that is what "sharing God's love" means - telling people how despicable they are.
Well, this would be, and should be, a very long conversation indeed, since you are so far from anything I consider to be traditional Christianity. "Despicable?" We're ALL despicable. We're ALL sinners, there's no idea in any of this that any of us is better than anybody else. But if you don't understand that you are a sinner you'll never really understand what salvation is, you can only have a very superficial experience of it that leaves you weak and open to worldly influences.
But just trying to say anything about this is such an enormous task I'm not up to it. You've apparently got one of the modern watered-down gospels, possibly really a heresy.
The thing is, most people recognize the brokenness within themselves
No, "brokenness" is one of those false terms modern heresies use because the actual truth is considered to be too hard for people to accept. Sin is a great offense to God, if you reduce it to something personal and psychological like "brokenness" you miss the whole point of salvation.
and don't really need to be told they don't measure up.
This is silly HBD. NOBODY "measures up." And we all need to know it. Sorry, but we're really all a bunch of egomaniacs at bottom, and this idea that it would hurt our little egos to know we're sinners is playing right into that. We NEED to know we're sinners, REALLY know it, and only then does salvation have real meaning.
They especially don't need to be told that by someone who is just as broken as they are (take the plank out of your own eye first).
Oh yes they do need to be told it by another sinner, a bigger sinner than they are maybe. You do indeed have some kind of modern revisionist gospel, HBD. I guess there's a lot of that in the churches these days. I wonder how much of the true gospel is left anywhere. Have you ever read "Sinners in the Hands of an Angry God" by Jonathan Edwards?. A classic of the true gospel, but you'd probably reject it as not loving or something like that? All the heresies these days seem to come down to a wimpy idea of love.
Instead, people need to know how following Jesus will help them, how he will change their life - for the good. When Jesus talked about the Kingdom of God, it was in the present tense. The Kingdom is here now - it's not pie-in-the-sky-in-the-sweet-by-and-by, it's now. The Kingdom is supposed to change people's lives in the here and now. That's what is important.
Uh yeah but that really is a raving heresy and you don't know it. You are reducing the glorious gospel to something trivial and mundane, reducing the Kingdom of God to some kind of therapy. That's pernicious twaddle, HBD. I'm sorry you are in that kind of church.
God's love isn't a fuzzy warm blanket, it's an amazing transforming power. It's not wimp stuff, it's reality. Your church/theology trivializes God, trivializes God's love, trivializes sin and our great need of salvation, and trivializes the amazing glories that He is offering us. Selling our souls for a mess of psychobabble.
This has been a very enlightening discussion though, with you and GDR. I've been continuing to read the book The Great Evangelical Disaster Revisted by Peter GLover, which is mostly about this wimpy gospel that's replaced the glorious truth, and here I encounter two people in thrall to this demeaning heresy.
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