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GDR
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Message 121 of 444 (845752)
12-19-2018 8:21 PM
Reply to: Message 116 by Faith
12-19-2018 1:51 PM


Re: Respectful Offense
Faith writes:
Any Muslim could be a terrorist, and could become a terrorist at any point even if not at the moment.
So could anyone even Christians.
Faith writes:
That's because terrorism is built into Islam. There are Syrians who are not Muslims, and it's possible to be a Muslim without accepting the parts that turn people into terrorists, but it's also possible to accept those parts at any time and become a terrorist. Because it's built into Islam. Y
People could say that abhorrent behaviour is built into Christianity. As a literalist you believe that God is capable of ordering genocide. I know that you would never condone genocide today but you do condone it back then, as being just because whoever wrote that part of the Bible claims that God ordered it. You believe that he wasn't writing on behalf of himself but on behalf of God.
Faith writes:
You don't say if your Syrian refugees are Muslim but since Christian Syrians weren't high on Obama's list for acceptance in the US I'd guess maybe Canada has a similar attitude, so it's a good guess yours is Muslim. They'd rather just make everybody Muslim and that just takes growing their numbers. Muslims aren't interested in assimilating in any case. They will remain separate, work to get Sharia Law in force, one way or another work to establish the Kalifa in which the whole world belongs to Allah.
One family was Christian, the rest were Muslim, although in general they aren't Musims who attend the mosque much.
Without us bringing them over here they would have spent their days in refugee camps and usually would be unable to return to their homeland in safety. They have come over here and are busily learning to speak Engkish, the adults are getting jobs and the kids are going to school. I was by one of the homes that one group of 9 lives in and they are flying a Canadian flag out in front of the house. It's the only one on the street.
Here is a quote again from Matthew 25.
quote:
38 When did we see you a stranger and invite you in, or needing clothes and clothe you? 39 When did we see you sick or in prison and go to visit you?’ 40 The King will reply, ‘Truly I tell you, whatever you did for one of the least of these brothers and sisters of mine, you did for me.’
They were strangers and we invited them in and all of us are better off for it, as we were doing what Jesus called us to do.

He has told you, O man, what is good ; And what does the LORD require of you But to do justice, to love kindness, And to walk humbly with your God.
Micah 6:8

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herebedragons
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Message 122 of 444 (845762)
12-20-2018 10:02 AM
Reply to: Message 83 by Faith
12-18-2018 6:19 PM


Re: Respectful Offense
I don't know what kind of Christian environment your church creates, but fear of Hell is a pretty healthy starting place for becoming a believer,
Well... we don't try to scare people into heaven. Turns out it's not really very effective. Sure, maybe you can scare people into joining the club, but it doesn't do much to change their hearts - especially when fear of hell is coupled with "just believe the right doctrines, say the salvation prayer, join the club and your good to go." This false message is why there are so many Christians who are Christians only in name and have nothing in common with the teachings of Jesus.
we are to know we are sinners and that sin deserves eternal punishment.
Sure... that is what "sharing God's love" means - telling people how despicable they are. The thing is, most people recognize the brokenness within themselves and don't really need to be told they don't measure up. They especially don't need to be told that by someone who is just as broken as they are (take the plank out of your own eye first). Instead, people need to know how following Jesus will help them, how he will change their life - for the good. When Jesus talked about the Kingdom of God, it was in the present tense. The Kingdom is here now - it's not pie-in-the-sky-in-the-sweet-by-and-by, it's now. The Kingdom is supposed to change people's lives in the here and now. That's what is important.
The thing is that the church has so bought into this "get out of hell free" mentality - that being a Christian is about saving you from hell and rewarding you with heavenly riches - that we have completely missed the point. Being a Christian is supposed to change your life; make you more Christ-like; make you more loving towards your fellow man. But, as a whole, I don't see that being a Christian really makes any difference. Christians, as a whole, are not more loving, more compassionate, more generous, more merciful, nothing that should set us apart from non-Christians. Why should anyone want to become a Christian? Just to believe that they have avoided hell?
They will know we are Christians because... we oppose abortion, we oppose gay marriage, we oppose immigration, we say "Merry Christmas", we share the good news that all people are condemned, we are Republicans, etc... NO!!!! They will know we are Christians because of our love for one another. Do you really think that God's love comes through in your messages here at EvC?
And then of course there is fear of God, and that can be serious fear.
Paul tells us we should approach the throne of grace with confidence. That we have not been given a spirit of fear, but of power. We are children of God, who is our heavenly father, who wants to give us good gifts - that is to give us life to the fullest.
It means we recognize that violating God's law has serious consequences, which leads us to avoid doing the things that bring them on.
If the reason you don't do bad things is because you fear being punished, you miss the entire point. The point is we do good things because they are good things. It has nothing to do with fear of punishment. All "bad things" can be put into one of two categories: they hurt out relationship with God or they hurt our relationship with others. We don't want to hurt others because we love them, not because of fear of punishment. Fear of punishment is the most shallow, selfish reason for not doing "bad things," and can do nothing to change your heart -what's inside. Instead, it opens the door to all types of misrepresentations of God's love. Such as this rant:
Faith writes:
Yes I gathered you've been stupidly supporting possible terrorists. Jesus does not teach us to expose our neighbors to terrorists. You are a complete idiot and you are not a follower of Jesus Christ who would never countenance such a wacked out idea of His love as yours. So are you like those crazy "Christians" who turned a church into a mosque out of a misguided idea of Jesus" love? It's really hatred. It's evil.
And yes the US has done a great deal for the suffering of the world. So far we've done it fairly sanely in order to preserve the means that make such help possible. Your methods would destroy those means. You are a blithering idiot GDR and you are NOT a follower of Jesus Christ. As for government corruptions it's been getting bad because of the Left and your crazy misreading of Jesus is a Leftist style insanity that will only add to the corruptions. I consider you an opponent of everything good in this world, Jesus' love above all.
Who would possibly see God's love in that message... other than you?
HBD

Whoever calls me ignorant shares my own opinion. Sorrowfully and tacitly I recognize my ignorance, when I consider how much I lack of what my mind in its craving for knowledge is sighing for... I console myself with the consideration that this belongs to our common nature. - Francesco Petrarca
"Nothing is easier than to persuade people who want to be persuaded and already believe." - another Petrarca gem.
Ignorance is a most formidable opponent rivaled only by arrogance; but when the two join forces, one is all but invincible.

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herebedragons
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Message 123 of 444 (845763)
12-20-2018 11:03 AM
Reply to: Message 102 by riVeRraT
12-18-2018 11:39 PM


Re: Still missing the point.
Some countries were not interested and offended we even suggested doing it. Those same people later agreed to it, but said they would build a $50,000 home for $800,000.
That does sound like "bad people" who probably wanted to profit from your charity. But I don't see how that is an example of PC gone wild. Sounds more like greed to me.
If your whole point is that PC has gotten out of control and everyone has their own thing that offend them and it is difficult to navigate today's PC landscape... then I mostly agree. Kind of a funny story that I think illustrates that. I worked with this black guy, named Eric, and one of my white co-workers, Steve, said something about "colored people". Well Eric gets offended (it was actually a pretty good natured exchange without any real offense being taken) and says "I ain't colored. What am I like blue or green or something?" Steve is like, "Oh sorry, African American." Eric: "What, I ain't African!" Steve: "I don't know what to call you people anymore." Eric: "I'm black." Steve: "You're not black, you're dark brown."
I think it can be difficult to keep up with all the things that offend people and all the sensitivities that people have against a particular label. But overall, PC is about being sensitive to other people's feelings and not putting labels on them that make them uncomfortable. That's not really a bad thing.
Yes, people should be less sensitive, but a lot of issues come about because of the negative association of a particular label. For example, I said that something was "retarded" and my son (9 or 10 yrs old) says "Dad, that's offensive." At first I was like - don't be ridiculous. But as I thought about it, I realized that the word does have a very negative connotation associated with it. And it really is an inappropriate word to use to describe something that you think is dumb. So I try not to use it. Why would people think that avoiding words that some people consider degrading is a bad thing to do?
I don't think it is my place to tell others what they should and should not be offended by. Like I said, labels can come with a significant stigma attached and if someone to whom that label is being applied believes that stigma is degrading, I shouldn't force that label on them.
Bottom line... People are free to choose what labels they find offensive, and out of respect, we should honor them and avoid offense. Of course, there are behavior and attitudes that need to be called out for what they are. For example, when someone displays racist and bigoted behavior, we should call it what it is. These are issues that are still serious problems in this country and someone may choose that they should use offensive language to call it out. So not only should you choose what offends you, but when it is appropriate to intentionally offend someone else - which will not be never.
quote:
Ask God to bless everyone who mistreats you. Ask him to bless them and not to curse them. When others are happy, be happy with them, and when they are sad, be sad. Be friendly with everyone. Don't be proud and feel that you know more than others. Make friends with ordinary people. Don't mistreat someone who has mistreated you. But try to earn the respect of others, and do your best to live at peace with everyone - Romans 12:14-18
We are called to live in peace and not mistreat others. How can you be friendly with everyone if you use offensive language?
HBD

Whoever calls me ignorant shares my own opinion. Sorrowfully and tacitly I recognize my ignorance, when I consider how much I lack of what my mind in its craving for knowledge is sighing for... I console myself with the consideration that this belongs to our common nature. - Francesco Petrarca
"Nothing is easier than to persuade people who want to be persuaded and already believe." - another Petrarca gem.
Ignorance is a most formidable opponent rivaled only by arrogance; but when the two join forces, one is all but invincible.

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Message 124 of 444 (845768)
12-20-2018 1:02 PM
Reply to: Message 122 by herebedragons
12-20-2018 10:02 AM


Re: Respectful Offense
The problem is that if you don't talk about Hell you mislead people. You can't scare people into heaven, true, but that's not the point. The point is to present the whole reality that we need to be saved from. I certainly don't promote "the salvation prayer," that's a shuck so don't impute that to me. But Jesus Himself spoke of Hell, quite a few times as a matter of fact, more than any other reference in the entire Bible I think.
we are to know we are sinners and that sin deserves eternal punishment.
Sure... that is what "sharing God's love" means - telling people how despicable they are.
Well, this would be, and should be, a very long conversation indeed, since you are so far from anything I consider to be traditional Christianity. "Despicable?" We're ALL despicable. We're ALL sinners, there's no idea in any of this that any of us is better than anybody else. But if you don't understand that you are a sinner you'll never really understand what salvation is, you can only have a very superficial experience of it that leaves you weak and open to worldly influences.
But just trying to say anything about this is such an enormous task I'm not up to it. You've apparently got one of the modern watered-down gospels, possibly really a heresy.
The thing is, most people recognize the brokenness within themselves
No, "brokenness" is one of those false terms modern heresies use because the actual truth is considered to be too hard for people to accept. Sin is a great offense to God, if you reduce it to something personal and psychological like "brokenness" you miss the whole point of salvation.
and don't really need to be told they don't measure up.
This is silly HBD. NOBODY "measures up." And we all need to know it. Sorry, but we're really all a bunch of egomaniacs at bottom, and this idea that it would hurt our little egos to know we're sinners is playing right into that. We NEED to know we're sinners, REALLY know it, and only then does salvation have real meaning.
They especially don't need to be told that by someone who is just as broken as they are (take the plank out of your own eye first).
Oh yes they do need to be told it by another sinner, a bigger sinner than they are maybe. You do indeed have some kind of modern revisionist gospel, HBD. I guess there's a lot of that in the churches these days. I wonder how much of the true gospel is left anywhere. Have you ever read "Sinners in the Hands of an Angry God" by Jonathan Edwards?. A classic of the true gospel, but you'd probably reject it as not loving or something like that? All the heresies these days seem to come down to a wimpy idea of love.
Instead, people need to know how following Jesus will help them, how he will change their life - for the good. When Jesus talked about the Kingdom of God, it was in the present tense. The Kingdom is here now - it's not pie-in-the-sky-in-the-sweet-by-and-by, it's now. The Kingdom is supposed to change people's lives in the here and now. That's what is important.
Uh yeah but that really is a raving heresy and you don't know it. You are reducing the glorious gospel to something trivial and mundane, reducing the Kingdom of God to some kind of therapy. That's pernicious twaddle, HBD. I'm sorry you are in that kind of church.
God's love isn't a fuzzy warm blanket, it's an amazing transforming power. It's not wimp stuff, it's reality. Your church/theology trivializes God, trivializes God's love, trivializes sin and our great need of salvation, and trivializes the amazing glories that He is offering us. Selling our souls for a mess of psychobabble.
This has been a very enlightening discussion though, with you and GDR. I've been continuing to read the book The Great Evangelical Disaster Revisted by Peter GLover, which is mostly about this wimpy gospel that's replaced the glorious truth, and here I encounter two people in thrall to this demeaning heresy.
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Message 125 of 444 (845772)
12-20-2018 1:30 PM
Reply to: Message 124 by Faith
12-20-2018 1:02 PM


Re: Respectful Offense
Faith writes:
God's love isn't a fuzzy warm blanket, it's an amazing transforming power. It's not wimp stuff, it's reality. Your church/theology trivializes God, trivializes God's love, trivializes sin and our great need of salvation, and trivializes the amazing glories that He is offering us. Selling our souls for a mess of psychobabble.
Just FYI - herebedragon's description of God's love seems a lot more powerful than the one you propose.
Anyone who has to go on-and-on-and-on about the "power" of their God is the one that sounds wimpy.
Like a young lad whining about how his Dad can beat up your Dad. It impresses no one, and everyone sees right through it.
If it's so powerful - why do you have to say so? Why not let it speak for itself like the power of love?
That "fuzzy blanket" you seem to think is wimpy? No one else sees love like that. Everyone else knows the power that is contained in love over the wimpiness of "glories." The power of love is proven to everyone in their everyday life. Every time a firefighter saves another. Every time a child is born. Every time families come together and promote community. That's the power of love. Call it wimpy all you like - everyone knows it's stronger than anything anyone else has ever attempted to describe. And of course it's biggest strength - it's real.

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Message 126 of 444 (845774)
12-20-2018 1:44 PM
Reply to: Message 125 by Stile
12-20-2018 1:30 PM


Re: Respectful Offense
Stile writes:
The power of love is proven to everyone in their everyday life. Every time a firefighter saves another. Every time a child is born. Every time families come together and promote community. That's the power of love. Call it wimpy all you like - everyone knows it's stronger than anything anyone else has ever attempted to describe.
Humanity's greatest invention.

And our geese will blot out the sun.

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herebedragons
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Message 127 of 444 (845775)
12-20-2018 1:52 PM
Reply to: Message 124 by Faith
12-20-2018 1:02 PM


Re: Respectful Offense
Uh yeah but that really is a raving heresy and you don't know it. You are reducing the glorious gospel to something trivial and mundane, reducing the Kingdom of God to some kind of therapy. That's pernicious twaddle, HBD.
The gospel is the power of God to transform lives through love not through guilt, shame and manipulation. I didn't say that sin is a-okay, just ignore it and everything's good. But the point is that guilt and manipulation don't work.
I'm sorry you are in that kind of church.
I'm not. I grew up in a Baptist church with Calvinistic doctrines. I became very disenfranchised with the whole religious thing, I walked away from God and any sense of faith in my early teens. I could never put my finger on what the problem was, I guess it just seemed so fake. When I came back to church in my mid-twenties, I was very much committed and my life changed drastically, but there were still these nagging questions that I could not reconcile in my head. Through several circumstances, my wife and I left that church and started attending a Nazarene church. Nazarenes are of the Wesleyan branch and so have a significantly different perspective than Baptists. As I grew in that fellowship, things began to make sense; I began to find answers to those questions that nagged me for so long. Now I see the Calvinistic doctrines as thoroughly non-Biblical and actually dangerous to people's faith and the real meaning of being a Jesus follower.
So sure, from your tradition maybe my perspective is heresy, but it doesn't matter to me what you label me. I am answerable to God and my conscious. I am pretty sure I would have walked away from God and church again if I had stayed at that Baptist church or even if I had gone to another Baptist (or other Calvinist church). Not because my faith was weak, but because the Calvinistic doctrines are just flat out wrong and malevolent, in my estimation. So I believe God directed me to this church (for real, I have no idea why we started going there - we had no connections, it was just a unexplained feeling that it was where we were supposed to be). So I have no regrets (not that it is perfect - there are other people that go there ).
And besides, the Wesleyan tradition has just as long of a tradition as Calvinism and nothing I said is outside of orthodox Wesleyanism, so maybe you're the heretic. Or maybe we could just drop the nasty label...
HBD

Whoever calls me ignorant shares my own opinion. Sorrowfully and tacitly I recognize my ignorance, when I consider how much I lack of what my mind in its craving for knowledge is sighing for... I console myself with the consideration that this belongs to our common nature. - Francesco Petrarca
"Nothing is easier than to persuade people who want to be persuaded and already believe." - another Petrarca gem.
Ignorance is a most formidable opponent rivaled only by arrogance; but when the two join forces, one is all but invincible.

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riVeRraT
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Message 128 of 444 (845794)
12-21-2018 7:33 AM
Reply to: Message 106 by PaulK
12-19-2018 12:15 AM


Re: Respectful Offense
No, I want to defend the RIGHT to be a bigot. That's because it's freedom of speech. Not to mention, your idea of bigotry, and the actual definition are 2 different things. So it is a fact that what is considered bigotry is subjective, not objective.
The only ones stiring up xenophobia is the left. Very few people in the US are actually xenophobic. Again, that subjectiveness (more like stupidness) is at play here.
The whole point of this thread is about the subjective differences in what is considered offensive. For years and years, progressives and liberals would always fight against such ideas. What happened? Are we that brainwashed?

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riVeRraT
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Message 129 of 444 (845796)
12-21-2018 7:40 AM
Reply to: Message 107 by PaulK
12-19-2018 12:22 AM


Re: Respectful Offense
Really ? I had in mind Trump’s statement that there were fine people on both sides at Charlottesville. That’s more positive than some, I assume, are good people - without all the preceding negatives
Can't you even see what you did there? This why the left are being called hypocrites every single day. You have presumed in every one of your assertions about Trump that he is a xenophobe, a racist, etc. etc. How is there not a preceding negative this time? Oh I know, because it doesn't suit your narrative and suddenly it's time to throw logic out the window. I would love to make a TV show, "when scientists become witch doctors". Trump also denounced the KKK and white supremacists on multiple occasions, so a preceding negative is a precedent.
This is why you are fake news. You take things out of context to suit your narrative. To people like me it plays out like a bad "B" movie, and I can no longer take anything you say seriously. Thank God I taught myself how not to be offended.

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riVeRraT
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Message 130 of 444 (845797)
12-21-2018 7:41 AM
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12-19-2018 12:24 AM


Sure, right in this thread LMAO.

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riVeRraT
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Message 131 of 444 (845799)
12-21-2018 7:44 AM
Reply to: Message 109 by GDR
12-19-2018 2:26 AM


Re: Respectful Offense
Your first paragraph was well put. However it really doesn't address my attitude towards having a border, and please don't put me on the same ship as Faith.

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riVeRraT
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Message 132 of 444 (845800)
12-21-2018 7:46 AM
Reply to: Message 110 by Tangle
12-19-2018 3:21 AM


What does sharing love mean? What did you do, grab someone by the Trumpian pussy?’
I don't offend anyone, occasionally I might offend someone
Lmao. So helpful.

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Message 133 of 444 (845801)
12-21-2018 7:48 AM
Reply to: Message 111 by Larni
12-19-2018 3:36 AM


Re: Respectful Offense
I guess that why kids scream at the sky now, and have safe places with puppies and play-doe.

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Message 134 of 444 (845802)
12-21-2018 7:50 AM
Reply to: Message 113 by caffeine
12-19-2018 5:42 AM


I agree with that. I said the same thing. But today we have people being hung in the public square because of one subjective offence statement. We are on the path to make it a crime to be offensive.

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Message 135 of 444 (845803)
12-21-2018 7:53 AM
Reply to: Message 114 by Stile
12-19-2018 9:12 AM


Re: Respectful Offense
Oh my dear Lord.
Not being called names!!
The tyranny!!!
Whatever shall we do???
That is a bullshit reply full of hypocrisy. This is exactly what we are saying. Why does it only apply to you? In Europe you can be arrested for that, and there are people here who want the same. Do you even think before you type?

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