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riVeRraT
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Message 136 of 381 (845804)
12-21-2018 7:55 AM
Reply to: Message 115 by Stile
12-19-2018 9:33 AM


Re: No one?
Sticks and stones may break my bones but names can never hurt me.

But we aren't teaching that anymore. That's the point.


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riVeRraT
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Message 137 of 381 (845805)
12-21-2018 7:57 AM
Reply to: Message 117 by Larni
12-19-2018 2:35 PM


Re: Respectful Offense

When I was a lad in Northern Ireland the Proddies and Chathos were always killing each other with terrorism. Can I take it that this shows that terrorism is built into Christianity

Terrorism is built into Humanity. Islam has it built in their book, Christianity does not.


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riVeRraT
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Message 138 of 381 (845806)
12-21-2018 7:58 AM
Reply to: Message 118 by ringo
12-19-2018 2:41 PM


I agree. I should have said that.

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riVeRraT
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Message 139 of 381 (845807)
12-21-2018 8:00 AM
Reply to: Message 119 by Dr Adequate
12-19-2018 8:02 PM


Just read this thread lol. It's no different than any other I have been involved in. I have been pointlessly attacked, not because of my notions, but because of my perceived notions.

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riVeRraT
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Message 140 of 381 (845808)
12-21-2018 8:01 AM
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12-19-2018 8:04 PM


Re: Respectful Offense
Yes, and is why we should be looking to eradicate all forms of terrorism. Why don't use one form of terrorism to justify another.

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riVeRraT
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Message 141 of 381 (845809)
12-21-2018 8:11 AM
Reply to: Message 123 by herebedragons
12-20-2018 11:03 AM


Re: Still missing the point.
Very well put! Thanks.

Of course we should try to be PC and not offend, but as you displayed in your cool story, offensivness can be very subjective and that is why we should never head down that road like the video I posted in the OP.

We should teach people how not to be offended, and how not to offend, but to me teaching people how not to be offended has more value and is better for society overall. Especially since there is no way to avoid being offensive at one point or another. It's like "teach a man to fish". Our focus today is on giving out fish.


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riVeRraT
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Message 142 of 381 (845810)
12-21-2018 8:13 AM


Christianity
Can we stop talking about Christianity unless it has something to do with the topic? It's getting no one any where.

  
Phat
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Message 143 of 381 (845811)
12-21-2018 8:51 AM
Reply to: Message 134 by riVeRraT
12-21-2018 7:50 AM


God Tests Us
RR to Caffeine writes:

But today we have people being hung in the public square because of one subjective offense statement. We are on the path to make it a crime to be offensive.

Actually, I do agree with this. What I don't agree with is this whole demonizing of the political Left. The fact remains that human nature---in all its fallen glory--is not unique to any political ideology or party. And if the values of conservative Christianity were held to the light, what we would see is a belief that Jesus wanted us to be free and prosperous and that the Left was threatening to tear this down. Well, I have news for all of us. Jesus may well be allowing it to be torn down. Let's see how Christian we are when we have nothing! The political Right is holding on to an ideology and mistaking it for being God-given.

Chance as a real force is a myth. It has no basis in reality and no place in scientific inquiry. For science and philosophy to continue to advance in knowledge, chance must be demythologized once and for all. –RC Sproul
"A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." –Mark Twain "
~"If that's not sufficient for you go soak your head."~Faith

You can "get answers" by watching the ducks. That doesn't mean the answers are coming from them.~Ringo

Subjectivism may very well undermine Christianity.
In the same way that "allowing people to choose what they want to be when they grow up" undermines communism.
~Stile


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Stile
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Message 144 of 381 (845812)
12-21-2018 8:54 AM
Reply to: Message 135 by riVeRraT
12-21-2018 7:53 AM


Re: Respectful Offense
riVeRraT writes:

Why does it only apply to you?

What are you talking about?
Of course it applies to everyone.

Again, if you think Trump getting called a few names is "tyranny" by all means let's see your example.
Without an example that makes any sense... your bluster falls flat.

In Europe you can be arrested for that, and there are people here who want the same. Do you even think before you type?

Of course there are people here who want the same.
There are people who who want textbooks to say the world is flat.

The natural result of having free speech is that (with a large enough population) you will have some people who want/say pretty much anything.

Why are you trying to stifle it? Are you offended? Maybe you should teach yourself not to be offended so easily...

The point isn't that "there are people here who want the same." Who cares about a few loons?
The point is that "there is no progress here being made in that direction." And if you think there is, well, again... without you showing an actual example with some meat on it... your bluster falls flat.


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Message 145 of 381 (845813)
12-21-2018 8:54 AM
Reply to: Message 128 by riVeRraT
12-21-2018 7:33 AM


Re: Respectful Offense
quote:

No, I want to defend the RIGHT to be a bigot. That's because it's freedom of speech.

Freedom of speech, then, would seem to include the right to call a bigot a bigot.

quote:

Not to mention, your idea of bigotry, and the actual definition are 2 different things. So it is a fact that what is considered bigotry is subjective, not objective.

Please explain how my idea of bigotry is different from the “actual definition”

quote:

The only ones stiring up xenophobia is the left. Very few people in the US are actually xenophobic. Again, that subjectiveness (more like stupidness) is at play here.

And yet we both know perfectly well that Trump did it, and at least some of his base lapped it up. Are they on the left?

And as we have seen there is an unfortunate amount of racism still around in the US.

quote:

The whole point of this thread is about the subjective differences in what is considered offensive. For years and years, progressives and liberals would always fight against such ideas. What happened? Are we that brainwashed?

Perhaps you should consider the notion that there is more to it than mere offence. That the reason for offence matter. Perhaps also you should consider the faults of those on the Right. Faith takes offence very, very easily - and it hurts her. But apparently you are more interested in a one-sided narrative attacking the Left with little regard for the truth.


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Phat
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Message 146 of 381 (845814)
12-21-2018 8:55 AM
Reply to: Message 137 by riVeRraT
12-21-2018 7:57 AM


Re: Respectful Offense
Terrorism is built into Humanity. Islam has it built in their book, Christianity does not.
, True, but it is built into human nature and Christians are human too. What most American conservative Christians fail to realize is that true Christians are called to suffer rather than protecting what they have. To be fair, the political left fails to realize is that there is an authority in life higher than anything they can vote in. Both sides will eventually answer to reality. Every knee will bow.

Chance as a real force is a myth. It has no basis in reality and no place in scientific inquiry. For science and philosophy to continue to advance in knowledge, chance must be demythologized once and for all. –RC Sproul
"A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." –Mark Twain "
~"If that's not sufficient for you go soak your head."~Faith

You can "get answers" by watching the ducks. That doesn't mean the answers are coming from them.~Ringo

Subjectivism may very well undermine Christianity.
In the same way that "allowing people to choose what they want to be when they grow up" undermines communism.
~Stile


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Stile
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Message 147 of 381 (845815)
12-21-2018 8:56 AM
Reply to: Message 136 by riVeRraT
12-21-2018 7:55 AM


Re: No one?
riVeRraT writes:

But we aren't teaching that anymore. That's the point.

Says who?

This is taught in every school, every family, every location I know.
Throughout Canada and the US.

Where is it not being taught? Show your work.
Give an example.
Don't you have anything to back up your claims? Or are you just attempting to fear-monger because you know you don't actually have any substance to discuss?


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Phat
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Message 148 of 381 (845816)
12-21-2018 9:01 AM
Reply to: Message 147 by Stile
12-21-2018 8:56 AM


Re: No one?
I think I can see his point. His point is that the political correctness crowd is making it a crime, to be blunt and bigoted. He may claim that free speech should be preserved even if it offends someone. The other side is attempting to legislate morality and create a leader that fills these expectations. Or something like that.

Chance as a real force is a myth. It has no basis in reality and no place in scientific inquiry. For science and philosophy to continue to advance in knowledge, chance must be demythologized once and for all. –RC Sproul
"A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." –Mark Twain "
~"If that's not sufficient for you go soak your head."~Faith

You can "get answers" by watching the ducks. That doesn't mean the answers are coming from them.~Ringo

Subjectivism may very well undermine Christianity.
In the same way that "allowing people to choose what they want to be when they grow up" undermines communism.
~Stile


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Message 149 of 381 (845817)
12-21-2018 9:05 AM
Reply to: Message 129 by riVeRraT
12-21-2018 7:40 AM


Re: Respectful Offense
quote:

Can't you even see what you did there?

That is funny coming from you.

quote:

This why the left are being called hypocrites every single day.

Because liars like you want to attribute your faults to those who dare disagree with you.

quote:

You have presumed in every one of your assertions about Trump that he is a xenophobe, a racist, etc. etc.

That is simply false. For all I know Trump is just cynically appealing to xenophobes and racists.

quote:

How is there not a preceding negative this time? Oh I know, because it doesn't suit your narrative and suddenly it's time to throw logic out the window. I would love to make a TV show, "when scientists become witch doctors". Trump also denounced the KKK and white supremacists on multiple occasions, so a preceding negative is a precedent.

In other words there was none. Not in that statement.

quote:

This is why you are fake news. You take things out of context to suit your narrative. To people like me it plays out like a bad "B" movie, and I can no longer take anything you say seriously. Thank God I taught myself how not to be offended.

And so we are back with your lies and hypocrisy.


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Message 150 of 381 (845818)
12-21-2018 9:07 AM
Reply to: Message 130 by riVeRraT
12-21-2018 7:41 AM


In other words, no.

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