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TrueCreation Inactive Member |
"No TC - that's the infamous list! ;-)"
--Oh IC, so its a matter of opinion is it? ------------------
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TrueCreation Inactive Member |
"Ummm...no. Note the request asked for 'famous scientists'. People like Gish, Hovind, et. al. might well be famous, but they're not scientists."
--Refer to previous post, it seems you gave me a definition that simply states is 'well known'. By your logic, the word is extreamly flexible. ------------------
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joz Inactive Member |
quote: Famous when applied to scientists refers to giants of their respective fields i.e Nobel prize winners and the like......
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Mister Pamboli Member (Idle past 7605 days) Posts: 634 From: Washington, USA Joined: |
quote: Come on guys. Surely we are looking for: "observably famous" - I can see they are famous by the number of references to them in say "The National Enquirer" or "People." "falsifiably famous" - I can ask my mother-in-law and if she hasn't heard of them, they are not famous. "repeatably famous" - they've been in the "National Enquirer" or "People" more than once. Amazing discussion - I thought the word "scientist" was the one that was going to cause problems! Just goes to show: you never can tell on this forum.
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Cobra_snake Inactive Member |
Like I said, I don't think this question is very important. However, would George Washington Carver count?
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toff Inactive Member |
quote: I did not give you any such definition. YOU trumpeted off about 'famous scientists' who supported creationism. You queried what the definition of 'famous' was; I told you to check a dictionary. Now, presumably, you know what 'famous scientist' means, yet you still haven't come up with a single name. Instead, you try to play word games. Surprise, surprise.
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toff Inactive Member |
quote: No.
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Peter Member (Idle past 1507 days) Posts: 2161 From: Cambridgeshire, UK. Joined: |
Perhaps we could all go back and read the TOPIC for this thread.
What it means to be famous, I think has largely been covered.Famous scientists are those who are known outside their individual fields. Steven Hawkin is famous.Einstein is so famous you don't need his first name, just don't confuse him with the violinist!! Whether or not any famous ANTHING are of the opinion that YECis FACT is irrelevant. It's evidence and the explanation of that evidence that is needed. I posted the following a while ago ... and have no idea whetheror not it got read ... but feel it is a complete, or at least adequate, answer to TC's original question. quote:
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ThingsChange Member (Idle past 5954 days) Posts: 315 From: Houston, Tejas (Mexican Colony) Joined: |
More facts:
1. DNA Replication does always produce an exact replica 2. Not all portions of DNA is useful to the cell (i.e. "junk" DNA) 3. The timing of DNA is dependent on age of organism (remember Dolly the sheep clone?) 4. Many isolated eco-systems exist with a diversity of life unique to that location 5. Environment change has been observed to affect populations of species 6. Extinction can occur due to environmental change 7. Sedimentary rock formation in a natural setting is a slow process and has not been directly observed either
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NosyNed Member Posts: 9004 From: Canada Joined: |
Nice to have a new person here, Things(you don't mind if I call you things for short do you?).
However, this doesn't seem like the best thread for that post. Perhaps you could open a thread if you think you want to discuss it. It is also rather hard to get what your point is, you need to offer up some comment. Also I think you left a 'not' out of point 1. It is wrong as worded. Very.
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ThingsChange Member (Idle past 5954 days) Posts: 315 From: Houston, Tejas (Mexican Colony) Joined: |
Nosy,
Yikes! How did the "not" disappear??? Did the "submit reply" replication mutate my wording? (it was an inadvertant demonstration of how much difference a single change could do) As for pertinence to this thread...The thread topic is "Facts, Theory,Falacy" and an earlier thread asked for facts, and some were given. The post I was responding to dealt with getting back to the thread. The thread had long wandered off topic (too long IMO).
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NosyNed Member Posts: 9004 From: Canada Joined: |
Uh, this thread got so far off topic that it is hard for you to tell now what it was originally.
The intention was to discuss the problem that some people have with discussing evolution as a theory (how did it happen) and the fact of it happening.The problem that the non-scientifically aware may have with the scientific meaning of "theory" was the original intent. So individual facts of the kind you offered up are, IMO, at too low a level of detail to be discussed here. (at least I think it was ).
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ThingsChange Member (Idle past 5954 days) Posts: 315 From: Houston, Tejas (Mexican Colony) Joined: |
So, here we are at thread number 134 and counting...
If you were to summarize the discussion to date (and what your view is) to give me a simple explanation (not the forum fellow!) to counter the argument of "evolution is just a theory"?
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Peter Member (Idle past 1507 days) Posts: 2161 From: Cambridgeshire, UK. Joined: |
I don't think that you need to counter that as such.
What you need to say is that 'just a theory' is aninapproriate way of phrasing the question. Theories are not fact, they are founded in the interpretationof facts. Evolution, as a theory, has a lot of facts which are in favourof the theory as currently expressed, and few which are against it. As time goes by, and more is understood, even those few 'contras' get filled in. I mean, gravitation is 'just' a theory, but I'm not going tobe stepping off any high ledges just yet
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