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Stile
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Message 166 of 444 (845848)
12-21-2018 1:02 PM
Reply to: Message 165 by Faith
12-21-2018 12:56 PM


Re: No one?
Faith writes:
So much for freedom of speech, so much for the American Constitution, so much for the free society. It's the truth that suffers too in this zeal to call everything racist. Do go listen to that video in the OP. That Russian guy knows what oppression is. We're getting there and your comment is evidence. Right, Tucker Carlson must be punished for saying something absolutely true that is NOT racist because of the Thought Police. This evil is going to bring down the whole nation.
What would you do otherwise?
Force advertisers to remain in support of something they don't support?
How does that add up to a free society?
Force everyone to give Tucker Carlson money to make up for the lost advertising revenue?
How is that not against the American Constitution?
This evil is going to bring down the whole nation.
Is it evil to stop advertising somewhere you don't think you should be advertising?
Or is it evil to force people to provide money somewhere they don't want to?
What evil are you talking about again?

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Faith 
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Message 167 of 444 (845850)
12-21-2018 1:05 PM
Reply to: Message 166 by Stile
12-21-2018 1:02 PM


Re: No one?
Of course not, I'm not for forcing anything, I'm pointing out this evil, this insanity that leads advertisers to act like this. What we need to do is expose PC for what it is and stop this insanity of pointing the finger at perfectly innocent remarks.
Edited by Faith, : No reason given.

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DrJones*
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Message 168 of 444 (845851)
12-21-2018 1:06 PM
Reply to: Message 165 by Faith
12-21-2018 12:56 PM


Re: No one?
So much for freedom of speech, so much for the American Constitution, so much for the free societ
Tucker Carlson is free to say what ever he wants and advertisers are free to do what ever they want want with their money. It is you who wants to violate the constitution by forcing advertisers to support speech they don't agree with.

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Jerry Lee Lewis was the devil
Jesus was an architect previous to his career as a prophet
All of a sudden i found myself in love with the world
And so there was only one thing I could do
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PaulK
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Message 169 of 444 (845852)
12-21-2018 1:07 PM
Reply to: Message 160 by Faith
12-21-2018 12:27 PM


Re: No one?
quote:
The only legislation I'm aware of is the "legislation" forced on us not by the legislating body but by the Supreme Court that extended marriage to gays. And that has had the repercussion of persecuting Christians asked to provide services for a gay wedding and refuse to do so.
This is inaccurate. The actual prosecutions have been under State laws protecting homosexuals from discrimination. At least one prosecution under those laws preceded the Supreme Court decision, and where there are no such laws there are no prosecutions.
This has been discussed to death here so you can hardly claim ignorance. It seems that your opposition to Gay Rights is the real issue here.
quote:
But beyond legislation there is social persecution too. Tucker Carlson's talk show has been dropped by many advertisers because he said that illegal aliens are making the country "poorer and dirtier."
I suspect that that was just the straw that broke the camel’s back. However, advertisers can hardly be forced to spend money on a show and I very much suspect that you would be all for it if the host was a Leftist.
quote:
It's very real to conservatives and Christians, though the Left seems to remain quite blind to it.
If those are the best examples you have it’s hardly a serious problem.

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Faith 
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Message 170 of 444 (845853)
12-21-2018 1:08 PM
Reply to: Message 168 by DrJones*
12-21-2018 1:06 PM


Re: No one?
No, I am not for forcing anything. Please reread my previous post. And I do hope that eventually you will recover from your severe case of ideological poisoning.

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Faith 
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Message 171 of 444 (845854)
12-21-2018 1:09 PM
Reply to: Message 169 by PaulK
12-21-2018 1:07 PM


Re: No one?
Oh blah blah blah. I don't care where it's coming from, it's evil and it's aimed against Christians.

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Stile
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Message 172 of 444 (845857)
12-21-2018 1:16 PM
Reply to: Message 167 by Faith
12-21-2018 1:05 PM


Re: No one?
Faith writes:
What we need to do is expose PC for what it is and stop this insanity of pointing the finger at perfectly innocent remarks.
But no one pointed a finger.
The advertisers just pulled out because they didn't want to support him anymore.
The news reported on what happened and why - things that the news does.
Of course not, I'm not for forcing anything, I'm pointing out this evil, this insanity that leads advertisers to act like this.
Are you sure? Something doesn't add up.
You see, when I see evil - I'm perfectly able to identify it and propose an alternative action.
Killing innocent people?
-Evil = hurting others.
-Alternative action = don't kill people (and I will force you to do this if necessary.)
Okay, now your turn:
Advertisers no longer supporting a business?
-Evil = ????
-Alternative action = ????
Can you fill in the blanks with anything sensible?
If you can't (I can't...) then maybe your label of "evil" is misplaced.
Maybe there's some other evil action going on (please explain?)

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ringo
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Message 173 of 444 (845858)
12-21-2018 1:16 PM
Reply to: Message 167 by Faith
12-21-2018 1:05 PM


Re: No one?
Faith writes:
I'm pointing out this evil, this insanity that leads advertisers to act like this.
It's called free enterprise. Businesses aim their advertising where they think their potential customers are. If they think certain comments might offend potential customers, they don't associate themselves with those comments. It's an extension of democracy, actually.

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PaulK
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Message 174 of 444 (845859)
12-21-2018 1:18 PM
Reply to: Message 171 by Faith
12-21-2018 1:09 PM


Re: No one?
Fighting against the wrong thing is hardly productive. You have made it very clear that you are far more concerned with getting rid of gay marriage than ending the persecution.
Which certainly blunts your claim.
As for the advertising boycott of Tucker Carlson, well consider what has happened over the take a knee protests. There are many on the Right who object strongly to those, and Trump himself has demanded action to stop the protests. There were even calls to boycott Nike products when they used Colin Kaepernick in an advert. Surely that all counts as Free Speech.
What do you say about that ?

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Faith 
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Message 175 of 444 (845860)
12-21-2018 1:19 PM
Reply to: Message 173 by ringo
12-21-2018 1:16 PM


Re: No one?
I'M NOT TALKING ABOUT THE BUSINESSES, I'M TALKING ABOUT THE IDEOLOGY THAT HAS THEM IN THRALL ALONG WITH EVERYBODY ELSE. IT'S INSANE AND IT'S EVIL AND IT'S DESTROYING ALL FREEDOMS AND EVERYTHING GOOD IN THIS WORLD. YIKES, I HAVE TO GET OUT OF HERE!

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Faith 
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Message 176 of 444 (845861)
12-21-2018 1:26 PM
Reply to: Message 174 by PaulK
12-21-2018 1:18 PM


Re: No one?
Yes it's possible to use freedom of speech in the service of tyranny, that may be the ultimate reason America will collapse and become just another third world cesspool governed by a murdering Antifa general.
Edited by Faith, : No reason given.

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Stile
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Message 177 of 444 (845863)
12-21-2018 1:34 PM
Reply to: Message 175 by Faith
12-21-2018 1:19 PM


Re: No one?
Faith writes:
I'M TALKING ABOUT THE IDEOLOGY THAT HAS THEM IN THRALL ALONG WITH EVERYBODY ELSE.
The ideology that all people should be treated with respect?
IT'S INSANE AND IT'S EVIL AND IT'S DESTROYING ALL FREEDOMS AND EVERYTHING GOOD IN THIS WORLD.
That doesn't seem right.
I would suspect that treating all people with respect would actually be a good thing for the world - which we actually see in the growth and prosperity the world has enjoyed as we've started treating all people with respect.
Again, if you're talking about another idea, please specify it.
Why do you and riVeRraT keep speaking so generally and broad that no one can understand what you're talking about?
I'm starting to think it's because you don't even know what you're talking about.
You seem to be just frantically reacting to some feeling in your head instead of an actual aspect of reality.
It may be time to take a step back and do some personal reflection. Just think about the things you're saying and the things we're saying. Not the ideas you think we're trying to convey... the actual words. See where those words lead. Perhaps you're confused over the idea we're actually trying to convey. Perhaps you're confused over the issue you're actually frantic about.
Personal reflection over such things really helps in clearing up an idea. I highly recommend taking a few moments to sit down and go over it.
Hope things calm down in the future, good luck.

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Larni
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Joined: 09-16-2005


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Message 178 of 444 (845864)
12-21-2018 1:35 PM
Reply to: Message 133 by riVeRraT
12-21-2018 7:48 AM


Re: Respectful Offense
That guess would be incorrect.
It is literally inbuilt into human psychology that people respond better to negative reinforcement than punishment.

The above ontological example models the zero premise to BB theory. It does so by applying the relative uniformity assumption that the alleged zero event eventually ontologically progressed from the compressed alleged sub-microscopic chaos to bloom/expand into all of the present observable order, more than it models the Biblical record evidence for the existence of Jehovah, the maximal Biblical god designer.
-Attributed to Buzsaw Message 53
The explain to them any scientific investigation that explains the existence of things qualifies as science and as an explanation
-Attributed to Dawn Bertot Message 286
Does a query (thats a question Stile) that uses this physical reality, to look for an answer to its existence and properties become theoretical, considering its deductive conclusions are based against objective verifiable realities.
-Attributed to Dawn Bertot Message 134

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Larni
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Posts: 4000
From: Liverpool
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Message 179 of 444 (845865)
12-21-2018 1:39 PM
Reply to: Message 137 by riVeRraT
12-21-2018 7:57 AM


Re: Respectful Offense
Really?
Psalm 137:9 Happy shall he be, that taketh and dasheth thy little ones against the stones.
Your book is just as bad. And as Jesus is God that’s Jesus saying that.

The above ontological example models the zero premise to BB theory. It does so by applying the relative uniformity assumption that the alleged zero event eventually ontologically progressed from the compressed alleged sub-microscopic chaos to bloom/expand into all of the present observable order, more than it models the Biblical record evidence for the existence of Jehovah, the maximal Biblical god designer.
-Attributed to Buzsaw Message 53
The explain to them any scientific investigation that explains the existence of things qualifies as science and as an explanation
-Attributed to Dawn Bertot Message 286
Does a query (thats a question Stile) that uses this physical reality, to look for an answer to its existence and properties become theoretical, considering its deductive conclusions are based against objective verifiable realities.
-Attributed to Dawn Bertot Message 134

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Larni
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Posts: 4000
From: Liverpool
Joined: 09-16-2005


Message 180 of 444 (845866)
12-21-2018 1:41 PM
Reply to: Message 157 by Faith
12-21-2018 11:56 AM


Re: Respectful Offense
Once more with feeling.
Psalm 137:9 Happy shall he be, that taketh and dasheth thy little ones against the stones.
YIC

The above ontological example models the zero premise to BB theory. It does so by applying the relative uniformity assumption that the alleged zero event eventually ontologically progressed from the compressed alleged sub-microscopic chaos to bloom/expand into all of the present observable order, more than it models the Biblical record evidence for the existence of Jehovah, the maximal Biblical god designer.
-Attributed to Buzsaw Message 53
The explain to them any scientific investigation that explains the existence of things qualifies as science and as an explanation
-Attributed to Dawn Bertot Message 286
Does a query (thats a question Stile) that uses this physical reality, to look for an answer to its existence and properties become theoretical, considering its deductive conclusions are based against objective verifiable realities.
-Attributed to Dawn Bertot Message 134

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