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AZPaul3 Member Posts: 8557 From: Phoenix Joined: Member Rating: 4.9 |
It's becoming more and more of a conversation. As well it should. This, along with the NAZIs, needs to be openly discussed on the national stage for all to see. Only an informed society can best determine how to react to political opinion whether that be NAZI hate speech or limiting the First Amendment to, somehow, limit speech we just don't like. We can only know the vile philosophy of the NAZI by hearing their hate speech. By legislating speech we drive it underground where it will fester and burn. At least in the open other movements in society can constantly throw water on hate groups. Hopefully this society can realize that if we can limit the hate speech of the NAZIs we can limit the very uncomfortable speech of Black Lives Matter and Planned Parenthood, as well. And the poor christians with their persecution complex ... is not saying Merry Christmas a form of hate speech? More than a few christian legislator's, especially at the state and local level, may not disagree. One of the big experiments in this country is to make the freedom of speech, and the demonstrations of opposition to what is said, absolute. Well, as absolute as we can without allowing them to incite immediate violent action. Edited by AZPaul3, : No reason given. Edited by AZPaul3, : No reason given. Edited by AZPaul3, : No reason given.
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PaulK Member Posts: 17827 Joined: Member Rating: 2.3
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quote: That’s funny because your main concern seems to be about silencing any mention of bigotry on the right.
quote: No, you haven’t.
quote: No, I don’t think that’s true. I think that there was a lot of racism there. The hate of a Black man winning the Presidency just made a lot of it more obvious.
quote: You certainly haven’t discussed that. Trump stirring up hate against Mexicans is worrying because of the potential for harm - broadly considered - against anyone perceived as Mexican in the US. Offence is hardly the real issue.
quote: You don’t try to discuss the faults of the right. You try to bully me into silence over them with your lies and your hate and your false accusations. And calling for honest discussion rather than political propaganda is hardly claiming that two wrongs make a right.
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PaulK Member Posts: 17827 Joined: Member Rating: 2.3 |
quote: Your sole point was to falsely attack me with your hypocritical lies. None of them supported by fact. Now certainly you may run away because your nasty bullying tactics don’t work, but the very fact that you had to resort to them shows that you take me very seriously.
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PaulK Member Posts: 17827 Joined: Member Rating: 2.3
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quote: I think the fact that you can’t show anywhere that you were genuinely spreading love is proof enough. It’s pretty easy to find examples of hate in your posts here - but not love..
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riVeRraT Member (Idle past 443 days) Posts: 5788 From: NY USA Joined: |
What does any of this have to do with the idea of teaching people not to be offended is better? Are you so in the dark that you don't see what is happening everyday? Are you just asking me these questions because you are avoiding the topic and you are just trying to find something to nit-pick about that has nothing to do with the topic? It's really not hard to use google.
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riVeRraT Member (Idle past 443 days) Posts: 5788 From: NY USA Joined: |
Well put.
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Faith  Suspended Member (Idle past 1472 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined: |
We hear often how right-wing demagogues are so hounded on a school campus that they cannot give their talk and are thus denied their "right to free speech". I submit that this IS the right of free speech in action. Free from government interference but with the full force of social opposition in all its glaring glory. You have a right to speak without being thrown in jail. You have no right to speak free from social backlash and opposition, even disruptive opposition I see. So one has freedom of speech even if Antifa is beating your audience to a pulp and spraying mace in their faces, to the point that the speaker has to be hurried out the back door and never gets to speak at all. That's freedom of speech according to the Left I guess.
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Faith  Suspended Member (Idle past 1472 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined: |
One of the big experiments in this country is to make the freedom of speech, and the demonstrations of opposition to what is said, absolute. Well, as absolute as we can without allowing them to incite immediate violent action. Antifa's method IS violent action. They beat people up.
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Faith  Suspended Member (Idle past 1472 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined: |
Again, anyone can become a terrorist. You are ignoring my one simple point: The written documents of Islam directly address the reader with commands to murder infidels. That does not exist in the Bible or in any other religion that I know of. Some total ignoramus who thinks he's to obey commands addressed to the Israelites 3500 years ago is a ridiculous comparison. And besides, how many Christians do you know who have taken such a command from the Bible and shot up a crowd or drove into a crowd or did a suicide bombing as if commanded to do so?
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vimesey Member (Idle past 100 days) Posts: 1398 From: Birmingham, England Joined:
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I readily accept that Islam has a serious problem with radical extremists - that minority are vicious murdering bastards who deserve all the justice and resistance that civilised people can bring to the table.
But to tar every Muslim with their brush is completely wrong. There are 1.8 billion followers of Islam who yesterday didn’t kill anyone. They didn’t the day before that, or before that, or as far back in our lifetimes as you care to go. I work with many Muslims - in the run up to Christmas, they made samosas for Christmas charities, which were delicious - and not even slightly poisoned. The vast majority of their scholars reject the interpretation you impose on those Quranic verses - using in many cases the same semantic gymnastics which you use to justify a living God ordering the massacre of children. You’re demonising 1.8 billion peace-loving, normal, live-a-day human beings as a result of the arguments of a vanishingly small minority of blood thirsty psychopaths. Something Jesus didn’t do, unless you can find me an instance where he instructed his followers to hate a whole load of people, based on the actions of a tiny percentage.Could there be any greater conceit, than for someone to believe that the universe has to be simple enough for them to be able to understand it ?
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GDR Member Posts: 6202 From: Sidney, BC, Canada Joined: Member Rating: 2.1
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Faith writes:
Did God command genocide or not?
You are ignoring my one simple point: The written documents of Islam directly address the reader with commands to murder infidels. That does not exist in the Bible or in any other religion that I know of. Faith writes: There are those who have attacked abortion centres. (You don't have to agree with abortion to see that as wrong.) Also, just maybe the west should be a lot more reticent about dropping bombs on foreign nations. It isn't the only way to resolve issues. I can't see where the average Iraqi is better off now than they were under Hussein. It is really just another group of thugs that have taken Hussein's place and in the meantime the west is responsible for the maiming and death of thousands of innocent Iraqis. That might have something to do with the west being seen as the enemy. Some total ignoramus who thinks he's to obey commands addressed to the Israelites 3500 years ago is a ridiculous comparison. And besides, how many Christians do you know who have taken such a command from the Bible and shot up a crowd or drove into a crowd or did a suicide bombing as if commanded to do so?He has told you, O man, what is good ; And what does the LORD require of you But to do justice, to love kindness, And to walk humbly with your God. Micah 6:8
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Dr Adequate Member (Idle past 312 days) Posts: 16113 Joined:
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You are ignoring my one simple point: The written documents of Islam directly address the reader with commands to murder infidels. That does not exist in the Bible or in any other religion that I know of. If you hear it said about one of the towns the Lord your God is giving you to live in that troublemakers have arisen among you and have led the people of their town astray, saying, Let us go and worship other gods (gods you have not known), then you must inquire, probe and investigate it thoroughly. And if it is true and it has been proved that this detestable thing has been done among you, you must certainly put to the sword all who live in that town. You must destroy it completely, both its people and its livestock. Deuteronomy 12:13-15, Faith. And unlike the bits of the Qur'an that give you conniptions, that's not taken out of context.
And besides, how many Christians do you know who have taken such a command from the Bible and shot up a crowd or drove into a crowd or did a suicide bombing as if commanded to do so? Historically, lots of Christians have killed for Christianity. If fewer do so now it's because people don't believe so much any more --- no-one cares about usury any more, or thinks of giving all their money to the poor, or worries about voting for a man who has based his life on the Seven Deadly Sins rather than the Ten Commandments. The very good and the very bad of Christianity have alike drained out of society, leaving only a gritty residue of scientific ignorance, spiritual pride, and homophobia. Edited by Dr Adequate, : No reason given.
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Dr Adequate Member (Idle past 312 days) Posts: 16113 Joined:
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I see. So one has freedom of speech even if Antifa is beating your audience to a pulp and spraying mace in their faces, to the point that the speaker has to be hurried out the back door and never gets to speak at all. That's freedom of speech according to the Left I guess. That's illegal according to the Left. You should guess less often.
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Stile Member Posts: 4295 From: Ontario, Canada Joined: |
riVeRraT writes: It's becoming more and more of a conversation. This is NBC... Converstations are good, aren't they?You're not trying to prevent conversations as a way to "protect free speech," are you? Again, it seems like you may be getting offended a bit too easily. Let me know when we get the point of attempting to implement legislation... which was the silly claim I was talking about.
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Stile Member Posts: 4295 From: Ontario, Canada Joined: |
riVeRraT writes: Stile writes: Is this claim about PC-legislation on the same level of flat-earther attempts?Or is it something more serious? We can't further this discussion unless riVeRraT provides something more than his claims.It's 150 posts in and he's provided nothing so far. Is this because he has nothing? Or is this just because he's busy or hadn't had time yet, or doesn't understand that others can't read his mind and need him to explain himself instead of expecting everyone to agree with his "so obvious facts?" ... I guess Antifa smashing heads in the street over "hate speech" or "white supremacists marches" don't qualify as meat? When was the last time we even saw a white supremacists march? Wtf? 150 posts and I have nothing? You have your head in the sand bro? Yes, nothing. Antifa smashing heads over "hate speech" is something despised by everyone.There is no legislation being introduced in order to allow Antifa to smash heads. This is not meat in defense of any claim about PC-legislation being anything more than on the level of flat-earther attempts. 200 posts now, and still nothing. Do you actually have anything to back up this claim about PC-legislation? Or do you just have nothing?
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