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Author Topic:   My health journey and why I no longer believe everything my doctors say
Phat
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Message 2 of 39 (846188)
12-30-2018 4:47 PM
Reply to: Message 1 by coffee_addict
12-30-2018 4:03 PM


Questioning Medical Wisdom.
Good job, Lammy. Why the name change, BTW? I have done my research as well and agree that IF+Good fats, Organic Proteins in moderation, and low glycemic vegetables are the best course for me. I also believe in extended fasting on occasion...so far my longest was 3 days and my Doctor supervises me on longer fasts. Most evidence is anecdotal, though reputable Doctors back the science. Sometimes it takes an extended fast to get healthy. I'll comment more later...gotta go to work. Keep up the good work. I have links to lots of videos extolling the virtues of fasting and few opposed to it...though traditional medicine loves its pharmaceuticals. The consensus is changing slowly.

Chance as a real force is a myth. It has no basis in reality and no place in scientific inquiry. For science and philosophy to continue to advance in knowledge, chance must be demythologized once and for all. —RC Sproul
"A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." —Mark Twain "
~"If that's not sufficient for you go soak your head."~Faith
You can "get answers" by watching the ducks. That doesn't mean the answers are coming from them.~Ringo
Subjectivism may very well undermine Christianity.
In the same way that "allowing people to choose what they want to be when they grow up" undermines communism.
~Stile

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Phat
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Message 3 of 39 (846209)
12-31-2018 8:19 AM
Reply to: Message 1 by coffee_addict
12-30-2018 4:03 PM


5 Day Fast Planned
Lambo writes:
I thought what the hell I've tried everything out there let's try this thing. So, I went on a water fast (nothing at all but water) for 5 days. I didn't say anything to my doctors, though. They were against it.
When I came out of fasting, I went into intermittent fasting. Basically, I eat once a day. After just 3 months of eating once a day, without taking any of the dozen meds I'd been taking for years, all my health issues went away. My cholesterol took a nosedive from the high 200s down to 160s. I was declared free of type 2. I no longer felt sleepy during the day, let alone a narcoleptic attack. My joints stopped hurting. My blood pressure finally got down to normal.
I'm going to call you Lambo because you are a beast! I'm proud of you. I have researched this type of dieting and lifestyle for a little over a year now. There are many Doctors who now advocate a low carb approach coupled with intermittent fasting. For me, a Type II Diabetic, it is quite simply the healthiest way to eat and to control my out of control blood sugar which may have already destroyed my kidneys, eyes, and feet. (microvascular complications)
Before, I was under the care of Dr.Lori Gerard at the Denver Endocrinology, Diabetes & Thyroid Center. For over 5 years, I was prescribed insulin...both long-acting and Humalog(rapid-acting) and told to take it regularly. My blood sugars over the years were catastrophically high. So I began to research the low carb diets and the theory behind the science---that it was, in fact, insulin that actually promotes insulin resistance and that giving a Type II Diabetic insulin makes it virtually impossible for them to lose weight or to significantly lower their A1C.
My current Doctor: Insulin Resistance Not Cholesterol Causes Heart Disease - Jeffry Gerber, MD So I have heard the talks, read the books, and have come to the conclusion that these Doctors know their science. Why the conservative Medical Establishment that Dr.Lori Gerard associates with fail to see this science is a bit of a mystery unless it has primarily something to do with money.
Note in Dr.Gerards Bio:
Dr. Gerard has been active in research studies involving inhaled insulin therapy, newer insulin analogs, insulin pumps, and continuous glucose monitoring. She is also involved in multidisciplinary studies related to glucose control strategies during pregnancy and improved neonatal outcomes.~
Thus, I feel as if she intentionally listened to the pharmaceutical "wisdom" rather than the science of Low Carb, Intermittent and Extended Fasting, and the Doctors who follow that strategy. Here are three more videos. Enjoy and tell me if you see any flaws in their science:


I am about to attempt a 5 day fast.(Starts at 7 pm Wed) I will see my Doctor on Day 2 and will be fully monitored for any adverse results. Stay tuned.
Edited by Phat, : No reason given.

Chance as a real force is a myth. It has no basis in reality and no place in scientific inquiry. For science and philosophy to continue to advance in knowledge, chance must be demythologized once and for all. —RC Sproul
"A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." —Mark Twain "
~"If that's not sufficient for you go soak your head."~Faith
You can "get answers" by watching the ducks. That doesn't mean the answers are coming from them.~Ringo
Subjectivism may very well undermine Christianity.
In the same way that "allowing people to choose what they want to be when they grow up" undermines communism.
~Stile

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Phat
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Message 9 of 39 (846236)
01-01-2019 6:01 AM
Reply to: Message 8 by coffee_addict
01-01-2019 12:27 AM


Started Fast at 7 PM Wednesday
Lambo writes:
Let me be clear on this. I have tried all the various types of diets out there. Atkins diet, McDougall starch-based diet, low-calorie diet, paleo diet, veggie diet, vegan diet, rice diet, banana diet, and just about every other diet you can find on the internet. (...)I should also add that the low carb diet also did not work for me.
I am curious about why you rejected the low carb diet approach since much of the research that I have done indicates that it is the best diet to lower inflammation, control blood sugar, and many of the other symptoms you have had. My guess is that you never allowed it to have a chance....the other reason being that it can be boring and not as tasty as the yummy stuff your hubby makes. The science indicates that it takes three weeks for the body to switch from being a sugar burner to a fat burner. We usually only burn glucose or ketones. The first week without carbs(exceeding 40 grams a day) leaves one feeling lethargic and weak...like a car with a bad fuel pump. The second week is better...and the third week brings fresh energy that is limitless. It is no longer a challenge to have enough energy since fat stores are virtually limitless...unless you are down below 8% body fat as you are. Even then you can safely do an extended fast of 3-5 days when necessary. However....the intermittent fasting does give the digestive system, liver and kidneys adequate time to process the large one meal that you do have, and you are controlling blood sugars through the exercise plus the fasting. My point is that a higher fat diet would control the blood sugar easier, the inflammation would naturally decrease, and as you became keto-adapted you would not worry as much about getting adequate fuel. The only drawback to low insulin and healthy fat is that muscles do not grow as dramatically as a higher carb/higher insulin spike allows. Research shows that they can and do grow, however. Look at some of Thomas DeLauers videos on YouTube. Also, it becomes far easier to do intermittent fasting with the fat-adapted cells.
Here is something I haven't mentioned in this thread. Before my recent one meal a day discovery, whenever I peed my pee stream would be very thin and lacked pressure. Go ahead and laugh. I would laugh too if it weren't sometimes so painful. It was like having a bottleneck somewhere in my urinal tract. My doctors always dismissed it as me having a smaller than usual urinary tract.
I would suggest that an enlarged prostate could cause such a thing, as well as kidney issues, but I personally have also found that eating less frequently allows my inner plumbing to work better. And I am 59!!
If you don't believe all my health issues had a common cause and that it was pure coincidence I got hit with all these problems, then how come me eating one meal a day made them all go away?
Again, one meal a day gives the system more time to do its job. The real question is why a young man such as yourself had those health problems so early in life.
Anyway, I started the fast Wednesday morning early.The first day is spent burning off the glucose left in the body and liver...this extends to day 2 as well, and tiredness briefly develops.
I find that my feet hurt less, and I am counting on autophagy to help rid my eyes of any scar tissue before my operation scheduled January 22nd. I have basically 3 weeks to get my body ready. My biggest fear now is that I have already allowed too much damage to my microvascular system that is essentially irreversible...and all that from the insulin I took for years. I am still awaiting bloodwork results from my December 20th appointment.
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Chance as a real force is a myth. It has no basis in reality and no place in scientific inquiry. For science and philosophy to continue to advance in knowledge, chance must be demythologized once and for all. —RC Sproul
"A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." —Mark Twain "
~"If that's not sufficient for you go soak your head."~Faith
You can "get answers" by watching the ducks. That doesn't mean the answers are coming from them.~Ringo
Subjectivism may very well undermine Christianity.
In the same way that "allowing people to choose what they want to be when they grow up" undermines communism.
~Stile

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Phat
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Message 12 of 39 (846243)
01-01-2019 11:46 AM
Reply to: Message 11 by coffee_addict
01-01-2019 9:08 AM


Re: Started Fast at 7 PM Wednesday.
I have proliferative retinopathy in my eyes from years of high Blood sugars(caused in part from high insulin which was given by my doctors) and am having a vitrectomy. If I knew then what I know now about how to lose weight and get off the insulin I would have done it years ago. I'm angry at myself for not knowing better...I can't simply blame "Denver's Top Endocrinologist" for not bothering to keep up with the latest medical research. I really don't want to go through this operation, however.
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Chance as a real force is a myth. It has no basis in reality and no place in scientific inquiry. For science and philosophy to continue to advance in knowledge, chance must be demythologized once and for all. —RC Sproul
"A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." —Mark Twain "
~"If that's not sufficient for you go soak your head."~Faith
You can "get answers" by watching the ducks. That doesn't mean the answers are coming from them.~Ringo
Subjectivism may very well undermine Christianity.
In the same way that "allowing people to choose what they want to be when they grow up" undermines communism.
~Stile

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Phat
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Message 14 of 39 (846251)
01-01-2019 3:04 PM
Reply to: Message 13 by coffee_addict
01-01-2019 2:59 PM


Re: Started Fast at 7 PM Wednesday.
Watch the three videos in my post. each of those Doctors presents a valid argument in favor of low insulin and intermittent fasting. Two of them don't even have books to sell. My intuition tells me that they are right. Oh one more question: Is your sister on insulin?
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Chance as a real force is a myth. It has no basis in reality and no place in scientific inquiry. For science and philosophy to continue to advance in knowledge, chance must be demythologized once and for all. —RC Sproul
"A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." —Mark Twain "
~"If that's not sufficient for you go soak your head."~Faith
You can "get answers" by watching the ducks. That doesn't mean the answers are coming from them.~Ringo
Subjectivism may very well undermine Christianity.
In the same way that "allowing people to choose what they want to be when they grow up" undermines communism.
~Stile

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Phat
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Message 17 of 39 (846296)
01-02-2019 7:20 PM
Reply to: Message 15 by AnswersInGenitals
01-02-2019 3:45 PM


Re: Started Fast at 7 PM Wednesday.
AiG writes:
It is a big mistake to think of doctors as scientists (at least the ones who treat us, not research doctors). They really aren't even engineers. The closest analogy is that they are like auto mechanics taking their information from shop manuals plus a lot of guesswork.
Lets ad internet personalities to the list. Even my Doctor attends conferences and makes free videos for the internet.
Despite his public crusades, I always get a full half hour each time I go see him and he spends far more time answering my questions than the traditional endocrinologists did---they would simply send in a Physicians Assistant to punch my data into a laptop and prescribe more medicines.
In addition, I believe that as patients, we also need to do our research and cooperate with our Doctors as a member of the health team assigned to care for ourselves(us). Too many people never question what the Doctors tell them, nor seek to understand the science at a basic layman's level so as to become responsible for their own health. Getting back to the mechanic's analogy, it helps to know the difference between a carburetor and a starter when asking them to fix your car.
Edited by Phat, : started fast late.
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Chance as a real force is a myth. It has no basis in reality and no place in scientific inquiry. For science and philosophy to continue to advance in knowledge, chance must be demythologized once and for all. —RC Sproul
"A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." —Mark Twain "
~"If that's not sufficient for you go soak your head."~Faith
You can "get answers" by watching the ducks. That doesn't mean the answers are coming from them.~Ringo
Subjectivism may very well undermine Christianity.
In the same way that "allowing people to choose what they want to be when they grow up" undermines communism.
~Stile

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Phat
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Message 18 of 39 (846302)
01-03-2019 8:06 AM
Reply to: Message 17 by Phat
01-02-2019 7:20 PM


Fasting Day One
I finally launched my fast a day later than planned. I had to feel strong enough to do it since fasting lowers the effectiveness of the immune system and I had felt as if I were catching a cold. Turned out to be a false alarm, but I am enduring early waves of hunger today(Thursday) as I go to get a Calcium scan on my heart and a pre-op doctors visit before my vitrectomy planned for January 22nd. My intention is to get a good fast in before this operation in order to lower my blood sugar (turns out my A1C was 8.0) and try and get my eye as ready as possible.
Oh and Lambo...you never told me if your sister is on insulin.

Chance as a real force is a myth. It has no basis in reality and no place in scientific inquiry. For science and philosophy to continue to advance in knowledge, chance must be demythologized once and for all. —RC Sproul
"A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." —Mark Twain "
~"If that's not sufficient for you go soak your head."~Faith
You can "get answers" by watching the ducks. That doesn't mean the answers are coming from them.~Ringo
Subjectivism may very well undermine Christianity.
In the same way that "allowing people to choose what they want to be when they grow up" undermines communism.
~Stile

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Phat
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Message 21 of 39 (846306)
01-03-2019 11:50 AM
Reply to: Message 20 by coffee_addict
01-03-2019 10:24 AM


Re: Fasting Day One
What is your basic exercise routine? Do you do high intensity peak 8 training? Is the health club a social interaction as well? How many days a week and for how long are you there? Any fitness goals for 2019?

Chance as a real force is a myth. It has no basis in reality and no place in scientific inquiry. For science and philosophy to continue to advance in knowledge, chance must be demythologized once and for all. —RC Sproul
"A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." —Mark Twain "
~"If that's not sufficient for you go soak your head."~Faith
You can "get answers" by watching the ducks. That doesn't mean the answers are coming from them.~Ringo
Subjectivism may very well undermine Christianity.
In the same way that "allowing people to choose what they want to be when they grow up" undermines communism.
~Stile

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Phat
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Message 24 of 39 (846313)
01-04-2019 1:42 AM
Reply to: Message 22 by coffee_addict
01-03-2019 1:46 PM


Phats Fasting Day Two
I'm now 28 hours into the fast. Using Keto-Test strips I am only now noticing any evidence of ketones being burned.
Lambo writes:
All fasted work-out, of course, since I only eat once a day 5 days a week.
I would be curious to test whether you ever really achieved Ketosis, however. Science tells us that Ketosis only starts once every gram of glucose is burned out of the body, muscles, and liver.
Quora.com writes:
Its approximately 3 days for the average person. The body holds approximately 400g of glycogen in the liver. This needs to be used before you switch to fat burning/ketosis. You can probably do this in 1—2 days if you are an athlete or runner.
If you eat once every 24 hours, you may still be burning glucose, especially if your meals have lots of carbs in them. What do you think?
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Chance as a real force is a myth. It has no basis in reality and no place in scientific inquiry. For science and philosophy to continue to advance in knowledge, chance must be demythologized once and for all. —RC Sproul
"A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." —Mark Twain "
~"If that's not sufficient for you go soak your head."~Faith
You can "get answers" by watching the ducks. That doesn't mean the answers are coming from them.~Ringo
Subjectivism may very well undermine Christianity.
In the same way that "allowing people to choose what they want to be when they grow up" undermines communism.
~Stile

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Phat
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Message 25 of 39 (846314)
01-04-2019 2:16 AM
Reply to: Message 1 by coffee_addict
12-30-2018 4:03 PM


I read some informative articles that you might be interested in.
How Fast Do You Lose Strength After You Stop Lifting Weights? (Short Answer: In as little as two weeks) They say that "Cessation of anaerobic training or a substantial reduction in frequency, volume, intensity, or any combination of those three variables" causes a reduction in strength, but if subjects increased intensity they could cut back on frequency. I was attempting to find out if muscles could grow as much on ketones as they could with insulin. It appears that they too can become keto-adapted, though my intuition tells me that a once a day eating regimen such as you are on allows the best of both worlds....an insulin spike and growth opportunity with glycogen combined with keto-adaptation. What do you think, Lambo?
Also, check out How Much Time Should I Spend Lifting Weights?

Chance as a real force is a myth. It has no basis in reality and no place in scientific inquiry. For science and philosophy to continue to advance in knowledge, chance must be demythologized once and for all. —RC Sproul
"A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." —Mark Twain "
~"If that's not sufficient for you go soak your head."~Faith
You can "get answers" by watching the ducks. That doesn't mean the answers are coming from them.~Ringo
Subjectivism may very well undermine Christianity.
In the same way that "allowing people to choose what they want to be when they grow up" undermines communism.
~Stile

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Phat
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Message 28 of 39 (846341)
01-04-2019 3:04 PM
Reply to: Message 27 by coffee_addict
01-04-2019 9:31 AM


Keto damage?
Ive not heard that before. Link me to the source. From all ive read keto has no flaws as an alternative fuel apart from not being as anerobically active.

Chance as a real force is a myth. It has no basis in reality and no place in scientific inquiry. For science and philosophy to continue to advance in knowledge, chance must be demythologized once and for all. —RC Sproul
"A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." —Mark Twain "
~"If that's not sufficient for you go soak your head."~Faith
You can "get answers" by watching the ducks. That doesn't mean the answers are coming from them.~Ringo
Subjectivism may very well undermine Christianity.
In the same way that "allowing people to choose what they want to be when they grow up" undermines communism.
~Stile

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