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Message 2488 of 4573 (839869)
09-17-2018 2:12 PM
Reply to: Message 2487 by ringo
09-17-2018 12:15 PM


Re: Reflection
Aside from fanning the flames of his ego, Trump understands reality as he imagines it needs to be. He realizes that not everybody in this world is going to make it...that only the strong survive. He likely sees his heirs and the strongest of the blue collar base making it while the weaker liberals and socialists fall away. His American Dream is basically survival of the fittest.

Chance as a real force is a myth. It has no basis in reality and no place in scientific inquiry. For science and philosophy to continue to advance in knowledge, chance must be demythologized once and for all. —RC Sproul
"A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." —Mark Twain "
~"If that's not sufficient for you go soak your head."~Faith
You can "get answers" by watching the ducks. That doesn't mean the answers are coming from them.~Ringo

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Message 2491 of 4573 (839914)
09-18-2018 2:23 PM
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09-18-2018 1:28 PM


Re: Reflection
Fit for hard work. I myself certainly am no longer capable of such...nor are many of my baby boomer kin. The blue-collar populists have had to work hard all their lives anyway.

Chance as a real force is a myth. It has no basis in reality and no place in scientific inquiry. For science and philosophy to continue to advance in knowledge, chance must be demythologized once and for all. —RC Sproul
"A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." —Mark Twain "
~"If that's not sufficient for you go soak your head."~Faith
You can "get answers" by watching the ducks. That doesn't mean the answers are coming from them.~Ringo

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Message 2511 of 4573 (840455)
09-30-2018 9:53 AM
Reply to: Message 2510 by Percy
09-29-2018 12:27 PM


Re: More Kavanaugh analysis

Chance as a real force is a myth. It has no basis in reality and no place in scientific inquiry. For science and philosophy to continue to advance in knowledge, chance must be demythologized once and for all. —RC Sproul
"A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." —Mark Twain "
~"If that's not sufficient for you go soak your head."~Faith
You can "get answers" by watching the ducks. That doesn't mean the answers are coming from them.~Ringo

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Message 2514 of 4573 (840559)
10-02-2018 10:27 AM
Reply to: Message 2512 by Percy
09-30-2018 6:46 PM


Re: Trump Lies Again
Percy writes:
Obviously the primary Republican interest is in getting their man on the Supreme Court and not on coming as close to the truth as possible.
And it looks as if they have the power to do it! Scary....who on earth would want this man as a Supreme Court Justice? I fear for our future...

Chance as a real force is a myth. It has no basis in reality and no place in scientific inquiry. For science and philosophy to continue to advance in knowledge, chance must be demythologized once and for all. —RC Sproul
"A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." —Mark Twain "
~"If that's not sufficient for you go soak your head."~Faith
You can "get answers" by watching the ducks. That doesn't mean the answers are coming from them.~Ringo

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Message 2588 of 4573 (842790)
11-08-2018 1:30 PM
Reply to: Message 2581 by LamarkNewAge
11-07-2018 7:01 PM


Re: Hopefully liberals are genuinely for rights of ALL.
LNA writes:
To this day, union members (not just whites, but blacks too) talk endlessly about immigrants and foreigners somehow needing to be KEPT POOR because the "other's" increased wealth and rights will somehow take away from the worthy one.
I am pro-union. A union is successful by promoting and training a controlled group of workers who gain wage increases based on experience and seniority. This system depends on unity and common purpose within this group of workers, as well as agreed upon wages and wage increases with the employer. To add guest workers to this equation can destroy the wage scale as the guest workers will work at lower wages than the agreed upon wages within the union/employer contract itself. Its not a matter of keeping anyone poor...its about controlling how many new workers the company is allowed to absorb in order to maintain wage balance within the industry.

Chance as a real force is a myth. It has no basis in reality and no place in scientific inquiry. For science and philosophy to continue to advance in knowledge, chance must be demythologized once and for all. —RC Sproul
"A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." —Mark Twain "
~"If that's not sufficient for you go soak your head."~Faith
You can "get answers" by watching the ducks. That doesn't mean the answers are coming from them.~Ringo

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Message 2590 of 4573 (842792)
11-08-2018 1:39 PM
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11-08-2018 1:33 PM


Re: Hopefully liberals are genuinely for rights of ALL.
Unions are socialist to a limited degree, but they look out for the interests of local populations first before inviting workers in from all over. At my place of employment, we seem to have trouble even keeping domestic workers employed in new positions. We could take on guest workers to a limited degree, but they would have to join the union of course.

Chance as a real force is a myth. It has no basis in reality and no place in scientific inquiry. For science and philosophy to continue to advance in knowledge, chance must be demythologized once and for all. —RC Sproul
"A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." —Mark Twain "
~"If that's not sufficient for you go soak your head."~Faith
You can "get answers" by watching the ducks. That doesn't mean the answers are coming from them.~Ringo

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Phat
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Message 2593 of 4573 (842795)
11-08-2018 1:53 PM
Reply to: Message 2592 by Tangle
11-08-2018 1:47 PM


Re: Hopefully liberals are genuinely for rights of ALL.
I conside myself a political moderate. There are aspects of both platforms that I like...but at 59 years of age, with health conditions and need of a secure pension, I opt to support the union that I belong to. The corporations will spit you out and get rid of you when they no longer have use for you. Many of Trumps base are anti-union.
For a worker with no college education (though I am smarter than many of my college friends) supporting the union is my best ticket to a decent retirement.

Chance as a real force is a myth. It has no basis in reality and no place in scientific inquiry. For science and philosophy to continue to advance in knowledge, chance must be demythologized once and for all. —RC Sproul
"A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." —Mark Twain "
~"If that's not sufficient for you go soak your head."~Faith
You can "get answers" by watching the ducks. That doesn't mean the answers are coming from them.~Ringo

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Message 2646 of 4573 (844465)
11-30-2018 12:02 PM
Reply to: Message 2645 by Pressie
11-30-2018 6:54 AM


Re: Trump on Climate Change
He's good at inheriting things, though
Yeah, like a recovering economy which he still takes full credit for.

Chance as a real force is a myth. It has no basis in reality and no place in scientific inquiry. For science and philosophy to continue to advance in knowledge, chance must be demythologized once and for all. —RC Sproul
"A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." —Mark Twain "
~"If that's not sufficient for you go soak your head."~Faith
You can "get answers" by watching the ducks. That doesn't mean the answers are coming from them.~Ringo

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Message 2688 of 4573 (846456)
01-06-2019 6:08 PM
Reply to: Message 2687 by Percy
01-06-2019 12:34 PM


Re: The Way it Should Be
I wish they would do something, but I can also see the whole effort simply making his position stronger. His base often works in direct inverse proportion to logic, reason, and reality.
I did take notice of Trumps comment on using the emergency powers act if necessary ...and wonder if he would attempt any outrageous action were he getting impeached? Or if he could.

Chance as a real force is a myth. It has no basis in reality and no place in scientific inquiry. For science and philosophy to continue to advance in knowledge, chance must be demythologized once and for all. —RC Sproul
"A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." —Mark Twain "
~"If that's not sufficient for you go soak your head."~Faith
You can "get answers" by watching the ducks. That doesn't mean the answers are coming from them.~Ringo
Subjectivism may very well undermine Christianity.
In the same way that "allowing people to choose what they want to be when they grow up" undermines communism.
~Stile

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Message 2747 of 4573 (848434)
02-05-2019 11:48 AM


The Latest From Prager U
You all know me. I claim to be a moderate. Neither too Liberal nor too Conservative. Recently, Prager University, a conservative website, published this response to Liberals & Conservatives vs "The Left".
Essentially they claim the following:
Transcript writes:
Do you and I share same goals?
If we do, we can disagree”even strongly disagree, and still have a productive discussion. We might even reach a compromise.
But if we don’t share the same goals? Then what?
Then, rhetorically speaking, we’re at war. And only one side can win.
Let me explain.
My parents and brother lean more to the liberal side of the political spectrum than I do. We argue. We slightly nudge each other. We change opinions a little bit. And then we go back to Scrabble.
They were very upset when President Trump withdrew from the Paris climate accords. I was happy. We argued about it, but it was all good because we share the same goals.
We all want clean air and water for our children. We all want to develop clean energy; we want America’s economy to prosper; we want to be less reliant on fossil fuels.
I thought the accords were a bad deal for America. The best way to lower carbon emissions, in my opinion, is to let the free market and American ingenuity loose on the problem. They, in contrast, think the government needs to step in, fund the research, and keep the corporations in line.
Doesn't matter, because we have the same goal: a healthy planet.
We also disagree on gun control. My brother is a little more with me, but my dad wants a lot more regulation because he wants fewer school shootings. So do I. So does my brother. But I believe if a potential killer knew he’d encounter teachers and administrators well-trained in the use of weapons, we’d have less shootings. Different solutions. Shared goal.
I’ve always thought that this is how America is supposed to work. Liberals and conservatives respectfully arguing over the best solution to a shared goal.
But now there’s a third party in the game: the left. And they’re changing the rules.
When I was growing up, the left was on the fringe. But now they’ve moved into the mainstream. They’ve pretty much taken over our educational system. They’re in the media. In corporate HR departments. And, more and more, sad to say, in the Democratic Party.
The left doesn’t share the same goals that liberals and conservatives do. They have a whole different set of goals.
Let me give you some examples.
Raising kids without a gender identity or encouraging them to question their sexual identity. This, to me, is a form of child abuse. I don’t care who’s doing it”parents, teachers, doctors. Their goal is not my goal.
Here’s another one: Demonizing white people and males for the world's problems is not part of my value system. There is no shared goal in that.
I believe in merit and character over race. But now it's cool to say that white males have done all the bad things in the world.
I have two little boys. I get angry just thinking about people telling them they're responsible for racism and sexism”beautiful little children who just dance in the kitchen and smile. So that's not a shared goal.
Here’s a third example: People can differ about how many legal immigrants America should allow into the country. But when it comes to whether America should have “open” borders”well, there is no shared goal there. A country with open borders ceases to be a distinct country. And I want America to remain America.
All these ideas”and I could give you a dozen more”are coming from the left. They want to turn the history of Western Civilization, of America”a history I'm very proud of”into a highlight reel of human errors. These ideas threaten everything I cherish”my family, my community, my country.
And what does the left offer in its place? Nothing constructive that I can see. What are their goals? Kids with no clear sexual identity; group-think based on race, gender, and class; no national pride or borders. Are you okay with that?
My issue is not with liberals like my brother and my dad and a lot of my friends. We can argue until the cows come home. My issue is with the left because we don’t share goals.
This war of goals isn’t coming. It’s here. You need to decide which side you’re on: the liberals’ and conservatives’ side, or the left’s.
Your future depends on it.
Now I know that many of you here are liberals. Faith claims you are Marxists, but I don't see that. There are, in addition, many who are identifiably conservative yet who are anti-Trump. If this video makes a point, it would seem to me to be the point that the political spectrum has 4 distinct segments.
1) Populist Nationalists-strongly pro-Trump. (a personality cult)
2) Right-Leaning Conservatives
3)Left-leaning Liberals (most of you, in my opinion..I classify myself between 2 and 3..)
4) The Left. Cultural Marxism, perhaps? What does everyone think>?

Chance as a real force is a myth. It has no basis in reality and no place in scientific inquiry. For science and philosophy to continue to advance in knowledge, chance must be demythologized once and for all. ~RC Sproul
"A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." ~Mark Twain "
~"If that's not sufficient for you go soak your head."~Faith
You can "get answers" by watching the ducks. That doesn't mean the answers are coming from them.~Ringo
Subjectivism may very well undermine Christianity.
In the same way that "allowing people to choose what they want to be when they grow up" undermines communism.
~Stile

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Phat
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Message 2749 of 4573 (848440)
02-05-2019 12:57 PM
Reply to: Message 2748 by ringo
02-05-2019 12:17 PM


Re: The Latest From Prager U
I looked up Prager U.
quote:
PragerU, short for Prager University, is an American non-profit organization that creates videos on various political, economic and philosophical topics from a conservative or right-wing perspective. PragerU has been generously funded by two of the richest men in the United States, billionaire brothers Dan and Farris Wilks, who made their fortunes in fracking.(...)PragerU, short for Prager University, is an American non-profit organization that creates videos on various political, economic and philosophical topics from a conservative or right-wing[1] perspective. The videos are posted on YouTube and usually feature a speaker who lectures for about five minutes.[2] PragerU is not an academic institution, does not hold classes, and does not grant certifications or diplomas.[3]

Chance as a real force is a myth. It has no basis in reality and no place in scientific inquiry. For science and philosophy to continue to advance in knowledge, chance must be demythologized once and for all. ~RC Sproul
"A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." ~Mark Twain "
~"If that's not sufficient for you go soak your head."~Faith
You can "get answers" by watching the ducks. That doesn't mean the answers are coming from them.~Ringo
Subjectivism may very well undermine Christianity.
In the same way that "allowing people to choose what they want to be when they grow up" undermines communism.
~Stile

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Message 2754 of 4573 (848447)
02-05-2019 3:52 PM


The Trump Effect and the State Of The Union
The only reason I posted in the Trump Presidency thread is that we have such a polarization of political and ideological thought in this country. Tonights State Of The Union should provide fodder for the course of action in the next two years.

Chance as a real force is a myth. It has no basis in reality and no place in scientific inquiry. For science and philosophy to continue to advance in knowledge, chance must be demythologized once and for all. ~RC Sproul
"A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." ~Mark Twain "
~"If that's not sufficient for you go soak your head."~Faith
You can "get answers" by watching the ducks. That doesn't mean the answers are coming from them.~Ringo
Subjectivism may very well undermine Christianity.
In the same way that "allowing people to choose what they want to be when they grow up" undermines communism.
~Stile

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Message 2781 of 4573 (849642)
03-16-2019 4:42 PM
Reply to: Message 2780 by LamarkNewAge
03-16-2019 4:24 PM


Re: Percy asked me to show him the relevant text in the March 9, 2016 debate.
Several questions.
1) What are "elites"?
2) Was Bush 41 and Reagan discussing NAFTA? Open borders in regards to trade but not literally?
3) What does George Soros think?
I am a political moderate. I see that some view Soros as evil and others view the Koch Brothers as evil. How many people see both as evil? (Rich people in general)
Based on that theory, Bill Gates and Warren Buffet, two generous billionaires, are evil.
Edited by Phat, : No reason given.

Chance as a real force is a myth. It has no basis in reality and no place in scientific inquiry. For science and philosophy to continue to advance in knowledge, chance must be demythologized once and for all. ~RC Sproul
"A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." ~Mark Twain "
~"If that's not sufficient for you go soak your head."~Faith
You can "get answers" by watching the ducks. That doesn't mean the answers are coming from them.~Ringo
Subjectivism may very well undermine Christianity.
In the same way that "allowing people to choose what they want to be when they grow up" undermines communism.
~Stile

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Message 2792 of 4573 (849925)
03-26-2019 4:45 AM
Reply to: Message 2791 by Diomedes
03-25-2019 1:21 PM


Re: The Barr Letter on the Mueller Report
Seems like more of a waste of time. If Mueller can't find anything majorly amiss, why tie Congress up and prevent them from doing more useful things rather than partisan political bickering?

Chance as a real force is a myth. It has no basis in reality and no place in scientific inquiry. For science and philosophy to continue to advance in knowledge, chance must be demythologized once and for all. ~RC Sproul
"A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." ~Mark Twain "
~"If that's not sufficient for you go soak your head."~Faith
You can "get answers" by watching the ducks. That doesn't mean the answers are coming from them.~Ringo
Subjectivism may very well undermine Christianity.
In the same way that "allowing people to choose what they want to be when they grow up" undermines communism.
~Stile

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Message 2797 of 4573 (849956)
03-27-2019 11:54 AM
Reply to: Message 2795 by Tangle
03-26-2019 12:28 PM


Re: The Barr Letter on the Mueller Report
I think so.

Chance as a real force is a myth. It has no basis in reality and no place in scientific inquiry. For science and philosophy to continue to advance in knowledge, chance must be demythologized once and for all. ~RC Sproul
"A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." ~Mark Twain "
~"If that's not sufficient for you go soak your head."~Faith
You can "get answers" by watching the ducks. That doesn't mean the answers are coming from them.~Ringo
Subjectivism may very well undermine Christianity.
In the same way that "allowing people to choose what they want to be when they grow up" undermines communism.
~Stile

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