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PaulK
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Message 219 of 444 (846539)
01-08-2019 2:29 PM
Reply to: Message 218 by Faith
01-08-2019 2:21 PM


Re: No one?
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there is no right wing violence
There certainly is, and one of the things Antifa does is protect people from it.

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Message 236 of 444 (846563)
01-09-2019 12:30 AM
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01-08-2019 5:25 PM


Re: No one?
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That is a big fat lie and you can't name one such instance.
Harvard professor Cornel West, who organized some of the counter-demonstrators, said that a group of "20 of us who were standing, many of them clergy, we would have been crushed like cockroaches if it were not for the anarchists and the anti-fascists who approached, over 300, 350 anti-fascists". West stated, "The neofascists had their own ammunition. And this is very important to keep in mind, because the police, for the most part, pulled back."
Wikipedia Unite the Right rally
And to show one more example of what the Right was doing:
Twenty-year-old DeAndre Harris, a former special education instruction assistant from Charlottesville, was beaten in a parking garage in an assault that was captured by photographs and video footage. The footage showed a group of six men beating Harris with poles, a metal pipe, and wooden slabs as Harris attempted to get off the ground. He received a head laceration requiring stitches, a concussion, a knee injury, a fractured wrist, and a spinal injury.
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Antifa always attacks people who are not committing any kind of violence whatever.
Please support this claim.
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They actually have the nerve to accuse people who merely have an opinion they disagree with of committing violence simply by holding their opinion, and I don't even think they need ahny proof of that if the person is of a race or class they attribute such views to -- and no more than that in their sick minds justifies their physical violence.
Please support this claim. Bear in mind that Antifa is a loose alliance of groups who believe in active opposition to fascism and do not necessarily agree on everything.
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They are dangerous nutcases and if you all agree with them about that you are the same kind of dangerous nutcases.
But apparently equally violent right-wingers must be shielded and protected. Why else are you so determined to cover up their crimes ?

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Message 260 of 444 (846592)
01-09-2019 11:15 AM
Reply to: Message 244 by Faith
01-09-2019 9:40 AM


Re: No one?
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I'm not defending white supremacists and Nazis...
Well that’s funny because you are paying a lot of attention to violence from Antifa and denying the violence from white supremacists and Nazis.
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...I don't count them as right wing, they are crazy people, and I do not ascribe Charlottesville to the right wing
But you are happy to count Antifa as Left ? Despite the fact that Trump was prepared to say that there were fine people among the Unite the Right marchers, and Trump’s own links to the alt-right ?
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I'm talking about ordinary Trump supporters and we/they are not violent.
I’d be willing to bet that they are at least as violent as ordinary Clinton supporters.
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But many of our opponents are, and where they are not physically violent they are verbally violent, their propaganda gets an airing in all the media that assault the public consciousness daily and even hourley, suppressing the views of their opponents. That is anti-American totalitarian tactics right there, and the violence is all of a piece with it.
By which you mean that you want a totalitarian state so you can silence the critics.
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If you haven't followed the violence of Antifa you are obviously just lost in the usual Leftist blackout of the truth and swallowing all the propaganda they dish out.
There is no blackout. But we are still waiting for you to provide evidence that Antifa are targeting ordinary Trump voters rather than Nazis and white supremacists and those who choose to side with them

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PaulK
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Message 275 of 444 (846623)
01-09-2019 4:44 PM
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01-09-2019 4:36 PM


You’re the one insisting on an apples to oranges comparison. Violent extremists versus violent extremists is an apples to apples comparison. Ordinary voters to ordinary voters is an apples to apples comparison. You object to the first, you won’t try the second.
Want to explain why ?

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PaulK
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Message 277 of 444 (846625)
01-09-2019 4:46 PM
Reply to: Message 274 by Faith
01-09-2019 4:41 PM


Re: No one?
In your own words. We can all see what you said to Jon. Practice what you preach. And actual written sources rather than search lists of videos, please if you must provide links.

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Message 278 of 444 (846626)
01-09-2019 4:47 PM
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01-09-2019 4:45 PM


You can compare organised political violence to organised political violence if you like.

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Message 282 of 444 (846631)
01-09-2019 4:59 PM
Reply to: Message 281 by Faith
01-09-2019 4:56 PM


Re: No one?
Wrong. I have to find out the actual content. I have to investigate the actual events - not just rely on what someone says on a video. And that is because I care about the truth.

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