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Author Topic:   Free will vs Omniscience
Faith 
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Message 655 of 1444 (846670)
01-10-2019 9:05 AM
Reply to: Message 653 by PaulK
01-10-2019 12:25 AM


Re: ** FOREknowledge**
You miss the whole point of course, as unbelievers must. The point is that whatever we do by our own natural inclination is the same thing as God's doing it in us.
Do you have any support for that idea from the actual text of Exodus ? And isn’t it also your belief that we have a natural inclination to sin? Do you really want to say that God makes us sin ?
We understand that God's causing Pharoah to commit the sin of hardening his heart against the Israelites was not His committing the sin Himself. He's the source of power for everything we do but He doesn't share in our motivations.

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Faith 
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Message 656 of 1444 (846671)
01-10-2019 9:07 AM
Reply to: Message 651 by ringo
01-09-2019 5:16 PM


Re: ** FOREknowledge**
I do hate stupidity, yes.
And I definitely hate Antifa.
Edited by Faith, : No reason given.

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Message 657 of 1444 (846672)
01-10-2019 9:09 AM
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01-09-2019 5:11 PM


Re: ** FOREknowledge**
If everything I do comes from God, why are you trying to argue with me?
That comes from God too of course, the power to do it anyway. Nothing at all happens without Him.

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Message 661 of 1444 (846690)
01-10-2019 10:43 AM
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01-10-2019 10:40 AM


Re: ** FOREknowledge**
Why on earth do you think such silly crapola is cute?

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Message 664 of 1444 (846697)
01-10-2019 11:22 AM
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01-10-2019 11:14 AM


Re: ** FOREknowledge**
It also says Pharoah hardened his own heart. Reading it intelligently leads to the understanding that both are true and equivalent in meaning. God manipulates nothing. When Pharoah changes his attitude he does it himself and God does it, both.
Edited by Faith, : No reason given.
Edited by Faith, : No reason given.

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Message 666 of 1444 (846703)
01-10-2019 11:56 AM
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01-10-2019 11:28 AM


Re: ** FOREknowledge**
Doesn't need to be the same event.

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Message 670 of 1444 (846716)
01-10-2019 8:28 PM
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01-10-2019 12:12 PM


Re: ** FOREknowledge**
No it does not need to be the same event. God hardened Pharoah's heart and Pharoah hardened his own heart. Same thing.

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Message 672 of 1444 (846728)
01-11-2019 12:16 AM
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01-11-2019 12:12 AM


Re: ** FOREknowledge**
Nothing to show, we know it because we understand how scripture is to be read.

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Faith 
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Message 690 of 1444 (846801)
01-11-2019 6:12 PM
Reply to: Message 689 by AZPaul3
01-11-2019 5:38 PM


Re: Flickering Christians?
That IS just plain crazy.
The quality of the testimony in the Bible is excellent evidence for its veracity, unlike that of all the other stuff you claim is equivalent. I don't know why you guys are so stupid about these things or think we are, or that all of us are. Some people argue from feelings but I don't and most I know don't. The quality of the Bible deserves the belief it asks of us and the more time we spend getting to know it the firmer becomes our basis for believing it. If you don't see it, that's your own inability to judge literature accurately.
Edited by Faith, : No reason given.
Edited by Faith, : No reason given.

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Message 697 of 1444 (846840)
01-12-2019 1:57 PM
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01-12-2019 7:05 AM


Re: Flickering Christians?
I don't know why you guys are so stupid about these things or think we are, or that all of us are.
No, M'love, it is not that we think you're stupid. We know that you are ... lacking in certain critical thinking skills.
Your bible is a kluge of political brinkmanship and opportunism with all the veracity of the book of mormon.
I know it's way too much to ask but it would be really nice if you'd all stop imputing thinking problems to believers since it's a lie and does not further understanding of anything. Your assessment of the Bible makes you an example of mental derangement.
And by the way, the flirty language you use is rather jarring in the context of saying such hateful things to me. I'm sure you're capable of speaking as fully hatefully as you feel.
Edited by Faith, : No reason given.
Edited by Faith, : No reason given.
Edited by Faith, : No reason given.
Edited by Faith, : No reason given.
Edited by Faith, : No reason given.

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Faith 
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Message 700 of 1444 (846857)
01-12-2019 3:53 PM
Reply to: Message 699 by AZPaul3
01-12-2019 3:23 PM


Re: Flickering Christians?
Please do. Thank you.

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