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Faith
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Message 436 of 2838 (846725)
01-10-2019 11:40 PM


Making America Great and Good Again
Just heard a lengthy clip on Mark Levin's show, of Mike Pompeo, our Secretary of State, giving a speech in Cairo in which he blasted the anti-American stupidities of Obama who sold us down the river at every opportunity. \

\\He called Obama's policies huge mistakes that are now being corrected as America has returned to our traditional role in the world under this new administration, the role of helper and not aggressor, the role of ally and builder and not occupier, leaving when our work is done. That's the America I've always known and loved and admired and what the Left has said about us and done to us over the last few decades under its spell of destructive Marxist ideology is despicable and unconscionable.

Nobody says America is perfect but it has been an influence for great good in this world that the Left has been trying to destroy for decades now, often by calling that good evil based on their own evil Marxist inverted morality, and magnifying human foibles that don't represent the nation and are a lot less vicious in any case than the moral failures of the Marxist creeps who attack them.

I had tears streaming down my cheeks after hearing that clip, for a change tears of joy that someone with some authority was telling the truth and affirming the good. I often have tears over the evils of the Left but that's something else.

This goodness and greatness of America is what Trump is set on restoring, this Trump who is so unfairly hated and vilified by the likes of most of you here. I can only pray that you won't win.

ABE: Message to Congress: FUND THE WALL, YOU HYPOCRITICAL TRAITORS!!!

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Faith
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Message 437 of 2838 (846743)
01-11-2019 8:19 AM


Levin also had a segment on how Eisenhower tried to deal with the illegal immigrant problem back in the fifties. In those days they were called "wetbacks." I couldn't listen continuously so didn't get the details but it sounded like he managed to cut the problem back quite a bit, even to the point that many of the illegals went back to their own countries in reaction. The corruptions involved in all this were highlighted as much of what Eisenhower was dealing with, that still continue today: the exploitation of the illegals by giving them low wages as they replace American workers who would have to be paid twice as much, and the political strongarm intimidation tactics that prevent those who have the job of enforcing the laws from acting. The economic motive has always been there but there is also the Leftist motive today of flooding the nation with ignorant people who will vote for them, without bothering with citizenship questions, at a cost of billions in taxpayer money.

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Message 438 of 2838 (846761)
01-11-2019 12:11 PM
Reply to: Message 435 by Faith
01-10-2019 8:18 PM


Re: More Fake News from Fox
Faith writes:

Both Hillary and Schumer specifically asked for a "barrier" in their own speeches about the glaring need to stop the endless stream of illegal aliens.

They have talked about the use of barriers WHERE THEY MAKE SENSE. Where they make sense is in high population areas. Spending massive amounts of money for a fence along the entire southern border makes no sense, and the money could be effective if spent on other measures.

In his speech Trump made it clear that the experts and the people most involved with border problems favor a wall.

I have heard plenty of other experts who say that a wall isn't the solution.

INCLUDING BILLIONS TO DEAL WITH THE PROBLEMS CAUSED BY ILLEGAL IMMIGRANTS, NOT EVEN COUNTING THE COSTS OF THE DRUG PROBLEMS THEY BRING WITH THEM. THEY ACCOUNT FOR ALL KINDS OF COSTS BECAUSE OF CRIME AND THE IDIOTIC "RIGHT" TO OUR TAXPAYER DOLLARS GIVEN TO THEM FOR WELFARE AND MEDICAL COSTS NOT EVEN GIVEN TO CITIZENS, BECAUSE THEY COME HERE UNABLE TO SUPPORT THEMSELVES, which ought to be a minimal requirement for immigrants. And it's stupid to deny that a wall works when so many Democrats have favored it until Trump wanted it.

Illegal immigrants commit crimes at a lower rate than native born citizens.


https://www.washingtonpost.com/...llegally-commit-more-crime

Also family separation was the policy under Obama, not just Trump. Funny how Democrats can get away with such stuff but when Trump does exactly the same thing he's vilified for it.

Then why weren't there detention centers full of kids during the Obama administration? Why did those detention centers only come into existence under Trump?


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Taq
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Message 439 of 2838 (846762)
01-11-2019 12:13 PM
Reply to: Message 436 by Faith
01-10-2019 11:40 PM


Re: Making America Great and Good Again
Faith writes:

ust heard a lengthy clip on Mark Levin's show, of Mike Pompeo, our Secretary of State, giving a speech in Cairo in which he blasted the anti-American stupidities of Obama who sold us down the river at every opportunity.

Coming from an administration who supported Saudia Arabia after it brutally murdered an American resident, I don't think this has much punch.


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Message 440 of 2838 (846763)
01-11-2019 12:18 PM
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01-11-2019 12:13 PM


Re: Making America Great and Good Again
And don’t forget the major back-pedalling on Trump’s pull-out from Syria.
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Message 441 of 2838 (846764)
01-11-2019 1:21 PM
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01-11-2019 12:18 PM


Re: Making America Great and Good Again
And now forward-pedaling.

US-led coalition says Syria withdrawal has begun

quote:
“CJTF-OIR has begun the process of our deliberate withdrawal from Syria,” spokesman Colonel Sean Ryan told AFP in a statement, referring to the US-led anti-jihadist force.

“Out of concern for operational security, we will not discuss specific timelines, locations or troops movements,” he said..


They have to make it absolutely clear to the entire world that US "commitments" are meaningless.


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Faith
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Message 442 of 2838 (846768)
01-11-2019 1:59 PM
Reply to: Message 438 by Taq
01-11-2019 12:11 PM


Re: More Fake News from Fox
Yeah I've also heard all the leftwing "experts" saying a wall isn't needed. All partisan politics trotted out because it's Trump who wants it now instead of all the Democrats who are also on record wanting it.

Why should we want ANY illegal immigrant criminals here? What kind of bizarre apologetics is this?

Families were separated under Obama too, the rest is irrelevant. But in all this it gets forgotten that a great number of children come into the country unaccompanied and are held in separate facilities for that reason anyway.

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Faith
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Message 443 of 2838 (846772)
01-11-2019 2:16 PM
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01-11-2019 12:13 PM


Re: Making America Great and Good Again
Strategic mistakes don't invalidate the basic character of America or of Trump's intentions, this is typical of Leftist thinking, just can't keep things in context or proportion.

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Faith
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Message 444 of 2838 (846773)
01-11-2019 2:17 PM
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01-11-2019 1:21 PM


Re: Making America Great and Good Again
I've heard strong opinions from conservatives on both sides of pulling out of Syria. But again, mistaken military decisions do not change the basic character of American intentions. Unless they were Obama's decisions, all of which on every issue aimed at destroying the character of America, a la "Hope and Change" for a Marxist transformation into a third world totalitarian dung heap.

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Message 445 of 2838 (846784)
01-11-2019 3:28 PM
Reply to: Message 442 by Faith
01-11-2019 1:59 PM


Re: More Fake News from Fox
Faith writes:

Yeah I've also heard all the leftwing "experts" saying a wall isn't needed. All partisan politics trotted out because it's Trump who wants it now instead of all the Democrats who are also on record wanting it.

Which Democrat is on the record as wanting a wall along the entire southern border? Citation please.

It's also funny that you think Trump's experts aren't partisan.


Why should we want ANY illegal immigrant criminals here? What kind of bizarre apologetics is this?

Ask Trump that question. He has had illegal immigrants under his employ.


Families were separated under Obama too, the rest is irrelevant.

That is equivocation. There weren't detention centers full of kids during the Obama administration like there is during the Trump administration. The reason? It was official policy not to charge illegal immigrants with crimes immediately upon being captured at the border if they had children. This meant that children were not separated from their parents. Trump changed that policy which resulted in massive numbers of children being taken away from their family. It was a change in policy by Trump that resulted in these massive numbers of children being torn from their parents' arms.

quote:

The Trump administration launched a "zero tolerance" policy on the southwest border in April. But officials floated the idea of separating children from parents at the border more than a year earlier as a way to deter illegal crossings.

The Justice Department and border authorities began prosecuting every adult who crossed the southwest border illegally in May, causing more than 2,300 children to be separated from their parents.
https://www.usatoday.com/...ration-border-timeline/734014002


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Message 446 of 2838 (846785)
01-11-2019 3:30 PM
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01-11-2019 2:16 PM


Re: Making America Great and Good Again
Faith writes:


Strategic mistakes don't invalidate the basic character of America or of Trump's intentions, this is typical of Leftist thinking, just can't keep things in context or proportion.
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Funny how you won't extend that to Obama.


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Message 447 of 2838 (846791)
01-11-2019 4:12 PM
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01-11-2019 1:59 PM


Re: More Fake News from Fox
Faith writes:

Families were separated under Obama too,...

Families were not separated under Obama. Where are you getting your information?

--Percy


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Message 448 of 2838 (846793)
01-11-2019 4:21 PM
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01-11-2019 4:12 PM


Re: More Fake News from Fox
I googled...this is what I got:
FactCheck.Org So she is technically right...but not en masse.

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Message 449 of 2838 (846795)
01-11-2019 4:33 PM


Sandy Hook parents case against Alex Jones moves ahead
ABC News

Cue more hypocritical screams from the Right about threats to “freedom”.


    
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Message 450 of 2838 (846798)
01-11-2019 5:00 PM
Reply to: Message 435 by Faith
01-10-2019 8:18 PM


Re: More Fake News from Fox
Faith writes:

Both Hillary and Schumer specifically asked for a "barrier" in their own speeches about the glaring need to stop the endless stream of illegal aliens.

This is, as always with you, unspecific and unreferenced, but wasn't that over a decade ago? Haven't miles of wall been built since then? Wasn't the situation then not the same as the situation now? Don't we have better technology today? Wasn't illegal immigration much higher back then? Don't we have a better understanding of where most illegal immigration comes from now, namely overstaying visas?

Many billions were also discussed, far exceeding Trump's mere five or so. I've heard so many such quotes recently I've forgotten who said it all, but Bill Clinton, Hillary, Schumer, Pelosi, Obama and others are all on tape sounding a lot like Trump on the subject over the years from 1995 to Obama.

Ah, you finally mention a time. 1995 was nearly two and half decades ago. Much has changed since then, including the technology we have available, drones for example. Also, I detailed Obama's 2014 request above, and it did not include a wall.

Since there is a leftist blockade of such information in the usual media you'd have to go to the right wing to get this information.

Really? Then with this leftist information blockade in place, how do you explain this 2014 article in the Washington Post that is freely available on the Internet: White House requests $3.7 billion in emergency funds for border crisis

In his speech Trump made it clear that the experts and the people most involved with border problems favor a wall.

In his speech Trump told lie after lie. Most experts and border patrol personnel favor increased staffing and greater use of technology.

It's stupid to pretend it's "too expensive" when tens to hundreds of billions go to less worthy projects all the time, ...

In that case it's stupid to pretend that a $100 beer is too expensive when houses cost hundreds of thousands of dollars.

...INCLUDING BILLIONS TO DEAL WITH THE PROBLEMS CAUSED BY ILLEGAL IMMIGRANTS,...

What problems would these be, oh shouting one. Illegal immigrants have a lower crime rate than citizens, they work and contribute to the economy, they can't take advantage of assistance, and they'll take jobs many Americans reject. What's not to like?

NOT EVEN COUNTING THE COSTS OF THE DRUG PROBLEMS THEY BRING WITH THEM.

You've been listening to right wing propaganda again. The lower crime rate among illegal immigrants applies to drug violations, too.

THEY ACCOUNT FOR ALL KINDS OF COSTS BECAUSE OF CRIME...

You were already wrong on this earlier. The crime rate for illegal immigrants is lower than for citizens.

...AND THE IDIOTIC "RIGHT" TO OUR TAXPAYER DOLLARS GIVEN TO THEM FOR WELFARE AND MEDICAL COSTS NOT EVEN GIVEN TO CITIZENS,...

Illegal immigrants cannot qualify for welfare or medical assistance, and applying for them would call them to the attention of immigration services anyway, so they would never apply.

...BECAUSE THEY COME HERE UNABLE TO SUPPORT THEMSELVES, which ought to be a minimal requirement for immigrants.

They come here able bodied and willing to work in order to provide a better life for themselves and their families.

And it's stupid to deny that a wall works when so many Democrats have favored it until Trump wanted it.

For those portions of the southern border that are unwalled there are better solutions.

Also family separation was the policy under Obama, not just Trump.

Why do you keep getting this wrong? There was no family separation policy under Obama. Your lying right wing media is lying to you again.

Funny how Democrats can get away with such stuff but when Trump does exactly the same thing he's vilified for it.

Trump is vilified because of his anti-humanitarian impulses, like family separation and cutting off aid to the countries that need the most help and where most migrants are fleeing from.

It's the Left who are the hypocrites. Listen to Limbaugh, Hannity, Shapiro, Mark Levin, Michael Savage for a while. You are so deceived it's pathetic.

They are lying to you and whipping you into a frenzy so you don't even realize how duped you are.

--Percy


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