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Percy
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Message 427 of 5796 (845757)
12-20-2018 6:39 AM


North Korea Nuclear Problem Was Never Solved
Except for his inexplicable core base, everyone understood that Trump never solved any North Korea problem. Fox News today announced that N. Korea says it won't denuclearize unless US removes threat:
quote:
This Aug. 29, 2017, file photo by the North Korean government shows what was said to be the test launch of a Hwasong-12 intermediate-range missile in Pyongyang, North Korea. North Korea on Thursday, Dec. 20, 2018, says it will never unilaterally give up its nuclear weapons unless the United States removes its nuclear threat first.
SEOUL, South Korea — North Korea said Thursday it will never unilaterally give up its nuclear weapons unless the United States removes its nuclear threat first, a statement that raises further doubts on whether leader Kim Jong Un will ever relinquish an arsenal he may see as his greatest guarantee of survival.
Oh, gee, what a surprise, precisely what everyone (Trump base excepted) said after the summit and subsequent Mike Pompeo meetings.
--Percy

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Message 430 of 5796 (845792)
12-21-2018 6:17 AM
Reply to: Message 429 by Stile
12-20-2018 11:17 AM


Re: North Korea Nuclear Problem Was Never Solved
See the Washington Post analysis piece, Trump’s war on basic logic. He both declared ISIS dead and threatened them with doom if they attempted any retaliation with the United States. He both declared that he needed $5 billion for his wall and that the wall is mostly built, also declaring that Mexico is already paying for the wall through revised NAFTA, and that the military would build the wall.
Nothing coherent ever comes out of the White House, except, "It's all about me."
--Percy

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Message 431 of 5796 (845793)
12-21-2018 6:43 AM


Jim Mattis Resigns
Yesterday Defense Secretary Jim Mattis tendered his resignation, effective in February, citing disagreements over policy with Trump. Disagreements with Trump over the Syria and Afghanistan troop withdrawals are thought the motivating factors for the timing, and Mattis specifically mentioned Trump's rocky relationships with allies and amiable (almost schmuck-like in my opinion) ones with adversaries. Excerpts from the Mattis resignation letter:
quote:
One core belief I have always held is that our strength as a nation is inextricably linked to the strength of our unique and comprehensive system of alliances and partnerships. While the US remains the indispensable nation in the free world, we cannot protect our interests or serve that role effectively without maintaining strong alliances and showing respect to those allies.
...
My views on treating allies with respect and also being clear-eyed about both malign actors and strategic competitors are strongly held and informed by over four decades of immersion in these issues. We must do everything possible to advance an international order that is most conducive to our security, prosperity and values, and we are strengthened in this effort by the solidarity of our alliances.
Because you have the right to have a Secretary of Defense whose views are better aligned with yours on these and other subjects, I believe it is right for me to step down from my position.
Some of the headlines:
There are no adults left in the room.
--Percy

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Message 433 of 5796 (846713)
01-10-2019 3:17 PM


More Fake News from Fox
Today Fox News asked: Media acknowledged ‘epic’ border crisis under Obama — what changed?. The story reminds us that Obama declared a border crisis back in 2014 and requested $3.7 billion to deal with it, and then makes the case that nothing has changed since then except that Trump is president. It implies that Democrats acknowledged a border crisis when Obama was president and hypocritically deny it now that Trump is president.
Obama did declare a border crisis in 2014 and requested $3.7 billion. That much is all true. But Obama did not want the funds for a wall. He wanted them for additional detention centers, more immigration judges, more border patrols, more air surveillance, and humanitarian aid for some Central American countries to help them repatriate their citizens. And he didn't tell any lies. The Republicans, despite having provided the impetus by calling upon Obama to take stronger action, shot down his request.
But Trump wants $5.7 billion for a wall, and he justifies it with claims that criminals, terrorists and drug dealers are flooding across our southern border. These are all lies. The only criminal act of most "criminals" is crossing the border. Most illegal immigration occurs through overstaying visas, not by an illegal crossing of our southern border. Drugs primarily enter the country through legal border crossings. Only 6 terrorists have been apprehended at our southern border, while most (several thousand) are apprehended at airports (I think the time period is Trump's presidency). Additional wall or fencing is a very expensive solution for problems it can't fix.
There's also concern about Trump's anti-humanitarian approaches to the border problem, like family separation and cutting off aid to the Central American countries from which the migrants come.
Also, fewer migrants are trying to cross the border under Trump than under Obama.
Fox News might want to try telling the truth and dealing with their own hypocrisy before making such accusations.
--Percy

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Percy
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Message 447 of 5796 (846791)
01-11-2019 4:12 PM
Reply to: Message 442 by Faith
01-11-2019 1:59 PM


Re: More Fake News from Fox
Faith writes:
Families were separated under Obama too,...
Families were not separated under Obama. Where are you getting your information?
--Percy

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Message 450 of 5796 (846798)
01-11-2019 5:00 PM
Reply to: Message 435 by Faith
01-10-2019 8:18 PM


Re: More Fake News from Fox
Faith writes:
Both Hillary and Schumer specifically asked for a "barrier" in their own speeches about the glaring need to stop the endless stream of illegal aliens.
This is, as always with you, unspecific and unreferenced, but wasn't that over a decade ago? Haven't miles of wall been built since then? Wasn't the situation then not the same as the situation now? Don't we have better technology today? Wasn't illegal immigration much higher back then? Don't we have a better understanding of where most illegal immigration comes from now, namely overstaying visas?
Many billions were also discussed, far exceeding Trump's mere five or so. I've heard so many such quotes recently I've forgotten who said it all, but Bill Clinton, Hillary, Schumer, Pelosi, Obama and others are all on tape sounding a lot like Trump on the subject over the years from 1995 to Obama.
Ah, you finally mention a time. 1995 was nearly two and half decades ago. Much has changed since then, including the technology we have available, drones for example. Also, I detailed Obama's 2014 request above, and it did not include a wall.
Since there is a leftist blockade of such information in the usual media you'd have to go to the right wing to get this information.
Really? Then with this leftist information blockade in place, how do you explain this 2014 article in the Washington Post that is freely available on the Internet: White House requests $3.7 billion in emergency funds for border crisis
In his speech Trump made it clear that the experts and the people most involved with border problems favor a wall.
In his speech Trump told lie after lie. Most experts and border patrol personnel favor increased staffing and greater use of technology.
It's stupid to pretend it's "too expensive" when tens to hundreds of billions go to less worthy projects all the time, ...
In that case it's stupid to pretend that a $100 beer is too expensive when houses cost hundreds of thousands of dollars.
...INCLUDING BILLIONS TO DEAL WITH THE PROBLEMS CAUSED BY ILLEGAL IMMIGRANTS,...
What problems would these be, oh shouting one. Illegal immigrants have a lower crime rate than citizens, they work and contribute to the economy, they can't take advantage of assistance, and they'll take jobs many Americans reject. What's not to like?
NOT EVEN COUNTING THE COSTS OF THE DRUG PROBLEMS THEY BRING WITH THEM.
You've been listening to right wing propaganda again. The lower crime rate among illegal immigrants applies to drug violations, too.
THEY ACCOUNT FOR ALL KINDS OF COSTS BECAUSE OF CRIME...
You were already wrong on this earlier. The crime rate for illegal immigrants is lower than for citizens.
...AND THE IDIOTIC "RIGHT" TO OUR TAXPAYER DOLLARS GIVEN TO THEM FOR WELFARE AND MEDICAL COSTS NOT EVEN GIVEN TO CITIZENS,...
Illegal immigrants cannot qualify for welfare or medical assistance, and applying for them would call them to the attention of immigration services anyway, so they would never apply.
...BECAUSE THEY COME HERE UNABLE TO SUPPORT THEMSELVES, which ought to be a minimal requirement for immigrants.
They come here able bodied and willing to work in order to provide a better life for themselves and their families.
And it's stupid to deny that a wall works when so many Democrats have favored it until Trump wanted it.
For those portions of the southern border that are unwalled there are better solutions.
Also family separation was the policy under Obama, not just Trump.
Why do you keep getting this wrong? There was no family separation policy under Obama. Your lying right wing media is lying to you again.
Funny how Democrats can get away with such stuff but when Trump does exactly the same thing he's vilified for it.
Trump is vilified because of his anti-humanitarian impulses, like family separation and cutting off aid to the countries that need the most help and where most migrants are fleeing from.
It's the Left who are the hypocrites. Listen to Limbaugh, Hannity, Shapiro, Mark Levin, Michael Savage for a while. You are so deceived it's pathetic.
They are lying to you and whipping you into a frenzy so you don't even realize how duped you are.
--Percy

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Percy
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Message 451 of 5796 (846799)
01-11-2019 5:14 PM
Reply to: Message 448 by Phat
01-11-2019 4:21 PM


Re: More Fake News from Fox
Phat writes:
I googled...this is what I got:
FactCheck.Org So she is technically right...but not en masse.
I don't think anyone understood Faith to be saying only that family separation was something that happened in a small percentage of cases under Obama due to suspicion of trafficking or other offenses. That possibility has always been there, not just under Obama, but also Bush, Clinton, Bush, Reagan, Carter, Ford, Nixon, etc. None had any "separate all families" policy as was the case under Trump.
--Percy

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Message 473 of 5796 (846896)
01-13-2019 10:11 AM
Reply to: Message 452 by Faith
01-11-2019 6:34 PM


Re: More Fake News from Fox
Faith writes:
What a stupid idea that drones would be an effective means of border security. All they can do is watch the aliens running across the border, they can't stop them, unless you want them equipped with guns or tear gas or something, they can't arrest them, they can't send them home.
One has to almost admire the courage it must take to parade one's ignorance so publicly. The drones are observational. DWise1 explains this in Message 458. I mentioned them because they have only become a mature technology sometime over the past decade or so.
Trump wants all the technology and facilities plus the wall. The wall is essential. Without a barrier the whole border security enterprise is a lost cause.
Trump has been all over the place about what he wants. He keeps bouncing around between "concrete wall", "steel slat wall", and "border security." His aides keep contradicting him, too. First Trump said it would be a "steel slat wall", but when departed Chief of Staff John Kelly said that pretty early on it stopped being a concrete wall in internal discussions Trump contradicted him in tweets:
quote:
An all concrete Wall was NEVER ABANDONED, as has been reported by the media...The wall is the wall, it has never changed or evolved since the first day I conceived it.
Then a short while later he was back to a "steel slat wall" again, which have been shown to be easily breached using widely available tools like saws:
This is the right time to again ask how such a wall could prevent drugs and all kinds of contraband from being passed through?
We do need border security, and different approaches are called for depending upon local geography. Walls have pretty much been built in most places where they make sense, and even in places where they don't make sense. The House has requested that Trump submit a plan for how he will spend the money to improve border security. He hasn't done so yet, and probably never will.
Both Schumer and Hillary specifically asked for a barrier, a lot more recently than 1995. You are right, I'm giving no references and won't. I hear these things on the radio and you either take my word for it or you don't and I don't care what you do with it.
You're wrong yet again. That you are wrong so often, almost all the time, is why nobody here believes anything you say. That you never fact check what you say is why you are wrong so often. Check out Did Democrats reverse border wall position after Donald Trump was elected?.
Trump did not lie,...
Trump is a pathological liar. He lies constantly about everything. President Trump has made 7,645 false or misleading claims over 710 days.
...you are lying about Trump just as all the Leftist media do every hour of every day.
Well, if I'm lying about Trump then support your claim. You said that "the experts and the people most involved with border problems favor a wall." I said that's not true. Try this on for size: What Border Agents Say They Want (It’s Not a Wall):
quote:
President Trump has called for a wall along the border with Mexico to stop undocumented immigrants and drugs from entering the United States. But Border Patrol agents on the front lines say they need more technology and additional personnel to curb the illegal traffic, according to a report released on Thursday by Democrats on the Senate Homeland Security Committee.
Moving on:
Pelosi and Schumer lied about Trump "having a temper tantrum" just because the Left can't stop its nasty snarky lying they hate the man so deeply and irrationally, and the media ate it up.
What do you call it when someone slams the table and walks out on a meeting after just a minute or two? "Temper tantrum" seems pretty accurate. Trump also lies about his skill as a dealmaker. That meeting was a great example of Trump's non-existent negotiating skills where he says in effect, "Give me a wall or else. No? Okay, I'm going keep the government shut down and I'm outta here." "Art of the Deal"? More like "Plan for a Scam".
He was completely calm and collected,...
You were there?
...just as he was in his really well done speech from the Oval Office.
The only performance worse than Trump's speech was the Pelosi/Shermer stiffly delivered response in an empty echoing hallway behind a single podium. No one from either party did anything that was "really well done" that night.
And a White House source says that speech put Trump over the top in approval ratings.
This seems very unlikely. There hasn't yet been a post-speech poll, so we'll have to wait and see.
Of course we haven't been hearing any poll information except from such an inside source because it really was a great speech and the majority approved of it.
Do you even realize that without polling information you couldn't possibly know that a majority approved Trump's speech? It's very unlikely it proved helpful to Trump as it was full of lies and false scaremongering.
It is perhaps a bit surprising that someone hasn't produced a bogus poll showing majority disapproval.
The latest Reuters/Ipsos poll, released just before Trump's speech and using polling data from January 1-7, "found that 51 percent of adults believe Trump 'deserves most of the blame' for the shutdown, which entered its 18th day on Tuesday. That is up 4 percentage points from a similar poll that ran from Dec. 21 to 25." (from A growing number of Americans blame Trump for shutdown: Reuters-Ipsos poll)
Stop reading the Leftist press, it's poisoning your mind. To claim that reading the occasional Fox News report or other "conservative" report gives you the whole picture is self-delusion. Spend some time with the REAL Right, the talk shows I've mentioned. Levin in particular is a reliable researcher.
I'm talking about news. I don't get my news from partisan political commentators like Mark Levin.
Ugh, you are so deluded I can't stand reading your stuff.
You have managed to make it through yet another post without saying almost anything true, let alone providing any objective support for anything you say. You're still in your Trumpian echo chamber of lies.
--Percy

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Percy
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Message 474 of 5796 (846899)
01-13-2019 10:47 AM
Reply to: Message 459 by Faith
01-12-2019 3:58 PM


Re: Drones are not enough
Faith writes:
I already said drones are part of the package Trump wants in place,...
What a liar you are! The only thing you said about drones prior to this was in Message 452:
Faith in Message 452 writes:
What a stupid idea that drones would be an effective means of border security. All they can do is watch the aliens running across the border, they can't stop them, unless you want them equipped with guns or tear gas or something, they can't arrest them, they can't send them home.
Moving on:
The money for the wall would be a tenth of a tenth of a tenth of a percent of what we spend on dealing with illegals now.
What a math challenged individual you are! $5.7 billion is a tenth of a tenth of a tenth of $5.7 trillion. We are not spending anywhere near that amount of money on border security now. The total budget for all border security related functions appears to be around $50 billion annually. You're off by a factor of about a hundred. The $5.7 billion dollar request for an ineffective wall is more than 10% of the current annual budget.
The Democrats were all for a physical barrier in 2006 and recorded on other occasions as well.
That was for a fence in 2006 (Secure Fence Act of 2006), but the consensus, both among Americans in general and among the experts on border security, is that walls are not a solution for every border situation, or even most border situation, or even some border situations. And most illegal immigrants arrived by overstaying visas, not by an illegal border crossing.
Of course it never happened,...
Are you daft? Most of it was built, this is from the above link about the Secure Fence Act:
quote:
By May 2011, DHS reported completing 649 miles of fencing (99.5% of the 652 miles planned). The barrier was made up of 299 miles of vehicle barriers and 350 miles of pedestrian fence. The fencing includes a steel fence (varying in height between 18 and 26 feet) that divides the border towns of Nogales, Arizona in the U.S. and Nogales, Sonora in Mexico. A 2016 report by the Government Accountability Office confirmed that the government had completed the fence by 2015. A 2017 GAO report noted: "In addition to the 654 miles of primary fencing, CBP has also deployed additional layers of pedestrian fencing behind the primary border fencing, including 37 miles of secondary fencing and 14 miles of tertiary fencing."
Moving on:
He [Trump] on the other hand DOES want it and knows the majority of Americans want it...
The most recent polling available indicates that most Americans do not want more wall.
...and he is doing what he should do as President, trying to protect American citizens.
Trump is pandering to his minority base. As president (lowercase) he seems to actually represent only about a third of the American people.
It's the Anti American Left that cares only for their own power who are obstructing him in doing his duty.
Those who oppose Trump are all that is standing in the way of authoritarian rule.
--Percy
Edited by Percy, : Fix dBCode.

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Message 476 of 5796 (846901)
01-13-2019 10:53 AM
Reply to: Message 460 by Faith
01-12-2019 4:17 PM


Re: Making America Great and Good Again
Faith writes:
It's the Congress that is keeping the government shut by their refusal to do their duty and fund the wall that even they said in the past is needed. This is just partisan political obstructionism on their part.
This is Trump holding a third of the government hostage so he can fulfill a campaign promise. The reason he's doing it now instead of when Republicans controlled congress is because he thinks he can blame the Democrats now that they control the House.
But Americans aren't blind or stupid. They understand that building a wall has nothing to do with funding the government by raising the debt limit. They can see that McConnell in the Senate is refusing to consider Republican bills for funding the government that were proposed while Republicans still controlled the House. It is obvious to them that Trump is stubbornly refusing to separate two issues that never should have been combined in the first place.
--Percy

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Message 477 of 5796 (846903)
01-13-2019 11:03 AM
Reply to: Message 462 by Faith
01-12-2019 4:19 PM


Re: Drones are not enough
Faith writes:
Polls you'll never hear about show clearly that a majority of Americans want a wall.
DrJones* asked to see these polls in Message 463.
Crickets.
JonF asked to see these polls in Message 464.
Crickets.
I guess we can't call you a liar about this because you said we'll never hear about these polls, and apparently we never will. But until you produce them we'll just have to assume they don't exist.
Oh and Hillary is on record asking for a barrier at our southern border and carrying on at some length about why we need it in terms very reminiscent of Trump's statements. If you can pull yourself out of the Leftist mire that's sucking you down and go listen to any of the pundits I've been referring to I'm sure you'll hear her very own voice saying so. As well as Schumer and Pelosi and Obama and others.
Everyone from those on the right to those on the left have been concerned about border security for a long while. Democrats have been clearly stating that they remain concerned about improving border security, but that more wall is a woefully suboptimal way of achieving it.
--Percy

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Message 478 of 5796 (846904)
01-13-2019 11:16 AM
Reply to: Message 465 by Faith
01-12-2019 4:34 PM


Re: Drones are not enough
Faith writes:
No, the Democrats appropriated a lot more than five billion for a BARRIER in the past. Find it for yourself. Their own voices can be heard saying that's what they wanted before Trump wanted it. All you hear is Leftist propaganda that denies this reality.
Assuming you're still talking about the Secure Fence Act of 2006:
quote:
Although the 2006 law authorized construction of a fence, Congress initially did not fully appropriate funds for it (see authorization-appropriation process). "Congress put aside $1.4 billion for the fence, but the whole cost, including maintenance, was pegged at $50 billion over 25 years, according to analyses at the time."
A 2017 GAO report noted: "According to CBP, from fiscal year 2007 through 2015, it spent approximately $2.3 billion to deploy border fencing along the southwest border, and CBP will need to spend a substantial amount to sustain these investments over their lifetimes. CBP did not provide a current life-cycle costs estimate to maintain pedestrian and vehicle fencing, however, in 2009 CBP estimated that maintaining fencing would cost more than $1 billion over 20 years."
So apparently you're wrong yet again, this time about the Democrats appropriating "a lot more than five billion for a BARRIER in the past."
I'm sure you are a lot better able to do the research than I am.
A child of six is a lot better at research than you are, simply because you don't do any. You just listen to the right-wing opinion echo chamber.
--Percy

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Message 479 of 5796 (846905)
01-13-2019 11:18 AM
Reply to: Message 469 by Faith
01-13-2019 7:32 AM


Re: Drones are not enough
Faith writes:
The Leftist media are the champs when it comes to fake polls.
A reasonable person would conclude that your inability to produce the polls showing that most Americans favor a wall means you were making it up, often known as lying.
--Percy

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Message 480 of 5796 (846906)
01-13-2019 11:45 AM
Reply to: Message 470 by Faith
01-13-2019 7:59 AM


Re: The Obama House Wall
Faith writes:
Percy posted pictures of the Obama house on the Trump Bashing Thread (Message 2673) on which I am forbidden to post,...
Gee, I wonder why that would be. How many one-liner posts do you have in this thread? How many times have you refused to provide any support for the things you make up?
...before the wall went up, using them to say Trump lied about there being a wall around it. Typical. I don't have the ability to track down all the anti-Trump lies here, wish I did, but at least I found this one.
Here are some pictures of the wall going up: Obamas new Washington DC home gets a wall installed as they prepare to move in | Daily Mail Online
Gosh it's only eight feet high, not ten. Wow what a whopper of a lie Trump told about that! Impeach him.
The parking lot was already fenced when they bought the house. The shack is new and is for the security detail. I posted a picture of that exact same fenced parking lot in the very post you referenced, here it is again:
And here is the picture of the front of the actual house as movers carry Obama possessions into the house - notice, no wall:
They likely installed fencing between the brick pillars they added (they're covered by plastic wrapping in this image), but I can't find an image of that.
Don't you think the requirements of security for the Obama residence were specified by the Secret Service rather than the Obamas? Don't you think Trump knows this, given that all his movements are now controlled by the Secret Service?
--Percy

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Message 497 of 5796 (846951)
01-13-2019 9:15 PM
Reply to: Message 482 by Faith
01-13-2019 2:07 PM


Re: More Fake News from Fox
Faith writes:
Here's Hillary in 2015 saying she wants a "barrier" at the border:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tnZKlLfFx0w
First few minutes.
Haven't found Schumer yet but I've heard him say it on the radio dozens of times so it must be out there somewhere.
abe: Still can't find where Schumer specifically mentioned a barrier but here he is sounding a lot like Trump, at 3:09 and 4:58:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tlfOPvUABnw
All you have to do is type [utube=tnZKlLfFx0w] and the video becomes embedded in your message. That funny string of letters is at the end of the URL. You can even include the entire URL and the software will figure it out anyway, as in [utube=https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tnZKlLfFx0w].
I've written the same thing a number of times now, and I'll write it again. No one is against border security. We should provide border security by whatever means make the most sense in any given region. There's a debate to be had.
But border security has nothing to do with funding the government. Trump should open the government and only then have a debate about border security. He shouldn't demand funding for a wall before he'll reopen the government. That's not negotiation, that's extortion.
Look, I know that it's my job to produce references but research really IS hard for me and getting harder on the time as my eyes are getting worse and it is a strain to read anything on the internet with a white background. I was unable to get a coupon for the supplements that prevent the problem from getting worse for almost a month, can't afford full price, and over the counter substitutes really don't do the job. My eyes noticeably worsened over that time. I just got a coupon and now have a four month supply, hooray, but the damage has been done. Sorry but that's the way things are and I don't want to risk making the problem worse by spending too much time reading stuff if I don't have to. So, sorry, but calling me a liar makes you the liar.
Is this a special pleading? Surely you're not saying that diminished capacity entitles you to not only say things that aren't true but demand that other people accept them as if they were, so what are you saying?
If you don't know something is true you shouldn't say it. If you know something isn't true and you say it anyway then you are a liar. Some of the things you are saying you obviously know could not possibly be true, such as that there's no violence by people who hold right-wing views. If you're going to insist on repeating obvious falsehoods again and again then people are going to eventually get fed up with it and start calling you a liar. If you don't want to be called a liar then don't say things that are obviously not true.
By the way, about not being able to afford macular degeneration supplements without a coupon I'll repeat that Trump's tax cut has hastened the time when social security benefits will have to be decreased. If you think this year's 2.8% increase doesn't cut it, it's going to get worse before it gets better.
--Percy

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