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Percy
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Message 451 of 2838 (846799)
01-11-2019 5:14 PM
Reply to: Message 448 by Thugpreacha
01-11-2019 4:21 PM


Re: More Fake News from Fox
Phat writes:

I googled...this is what I got:
FactCheck.Org So she is technically right...but not en masse.

I don't think anyone understood Faith to be saying only that family separation was something that happened in a small percentage of cases under Obama due to suspicion of trafficking or other offenses. That possibility has always been there, not just under Obama, but also Bush, Clinton, Bush, Reagan, Carter, Ford, Nixon, etc. None had any "separate all families" policy as was the case under Trump.

--Percy


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Faith
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Message 452 of 2838 (846803)
01-11-2019 6:34 PM
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01-11-2019 5:00 PM


Re: More Fake News from Fox
What a stupid idea that drones would be an effective means of border security. All they can do is watch the aliens running across the border, they can't stop them, unless you want them equipped with guns or tear gas or something, they can't arrest them, they can't send them home. Trump wants all the technology and facilities plus the wall. The wall is essential. Without a barrier the whole border security enterprise is a lost cause.

Both Schumer and Hillary specifically asked for a barrier, a lot more recently than 1995. You are right, I'm giving no references and won't. I hear these things on the radio and you either take my word for it or you don't and I don't care what you do with it.

Trump did not lie, you are lying about Trump just as all the Leftist media do every hour of every day. Pelosi and Schumer lied about Trump "having a temper tantrum" just because the Left can't stop its nasty snarky lying they hate the man so deeply and irrationally, and the media ate it up. He was completely calm and collected, just as he was in his really well done speech from the Oval Office. And a White House source says that speech put Trump over the top in approval ratings. Of course we haven't been hearing any poll information except from such an inside source because it really was a great speech and the majority approved of it. It is perhaps a bit surprising that someone hasn't produced a bogus poll showing majority disapproval.

Stop reading the Leftist press, it's poisoning your mind. To claim that reading the occasional Fox News report or other "conservative" report gives you the whole picture is self-delusion. Spend some time with the REAL Right, the talk shows I've mentioned. Levin in particular is a reliable researcher.

Ugh, you are so deluded I can't stand reading your stuff.\\

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JonF
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Message 453 of 2838 (846810)
01-11-2019 8:11 PM
Reply to: Message 452 by Faith
01-11-2019 6:34 PM


Re: More Fake News from Fox
Isn't that just precious! You think a passive wall will stop them indefinitely! Bless your heart!

Homeland Security disagrees. All eight border wall prototypes fail basic penetrability test:

quote:
For its part, the DHS has argued that no wall is impenetrable and that by slowing migrants trying to breach it, Border Patrol agents are given time to respond. DHS spokeswoman Katie Waldman told NBC that the prototypes were only meant to inform the final design moving forward.

You should (but won't) reflect on that headline and the wide assortment of heavy-industry-strength cutting, boring, bending, and burning tools available in Mexico. Don't forget explosives.

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Message 454 of 2838 (846811)
01-11-2019 9:23 PM
Reply to: Message 452 by Faith
01-11-2019 6:34 PM


Re: More Fake News from Fox
you are lying about Trump

Don't you get all huffy and butthurt when people call you liar(Even when they show evidence of your lies)?
Levin in particular is a reliable researcher.

No he is a liar.

Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts

"God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness.

If your viewpoint has merits and facts to back it up why would you have to lie?


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dwise1
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Message 455 of 2838 (846815)
01-12-2019 1:16 AM
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01-11-2019 8:11 PM


Re: More Fake News from Fox
You should (but won't) reflect on that headline and the wide assortment of heavy-industry-strength cutting, boring, bending, and burning tools available in Mexico. Don't forget explosives.

Or tunnels (at his briefing during his Texas trip, we see Border Patrol giving Trump a presentation about the tunnels, while his brain appears to be switched off).
Or drones to carry drugs over the wall. Or just simply having another person on the other side receiving the packets of drugs that you slip through the gaps between the steel posts.

A wall will only stop the casual border crossers. If somebody is determined to get through or past that wall, they will be able to do so relatively easily. That is why we need our own drones or other means of surveillance to patrol every foot of that wall so that we can send in boots on the ground to stop the breaches in progress. Even medieval walls had to be guarded constantly to protect them from being breached -- sappers have been with us for millennia and they've never had better tools than now.


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dwise1
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Message 456 of 2838 (846816)
01-12-2019 1:42 AM
Reply to: Message 447 by Percy
01-11-2019 4:12 PM


Re: More Fake News from Fox
Families were not separated under Obama.

Children get separated from their parents all the time at all jurisdiction levels when the parent(s) get(s) incarcerated. When someone with children commits a felony (important point, that) when he/she/they crosses the border illegally, then he/she/they will have to be incarcerated and the children will need to be placed in protective custody (emphasis on "protective"). That's been happening in every administration, including Obama's.

There are two statutes (not being a cop, I do not have them memorized) which deal with crossing the border illegally. One, crossing the first time, is a misdemeanor. The other, crossing after having been kicked out/deported previously, is a felony. The first one, a misdemeanor, does not require incarceration whereas the felony would.

The difference here is that the Trump Administration, though Jeff Sessions, redefined all attempts to cross the border illegally to be felonies, therefore requiring incarceration for all violators which in turn requires family separation for all. If he had not done that, but instead allowed the misdemeanor to remain a misdemeanor, then we would not be having this problem nor this conversation.

Another aspect of this Trumpian clusterfuck are the detention centers which are being run by the Prisons for Profit industry -- remember that Trump has also reversed Obama's ban on prisons for profit. Follow the money. How are those contracts being awarded, whose friends are profiting from this new industry, and who in the Trump Administration is profiting as well? Follow the money, especially since this administration is all about the money.

FWIW, traditionally the proper name for these "detention centers" was "concentration camps" -- eg, during the Spanish Civil War, the French government built concentration camps for the refugees from Spain that they would capture. But ever since the Nazis sullied that term by turning many of them into death camps, we've switched to euphemisms like "detention center", "relocation center/camp", "refugee camp". So now the USA is in the Concentration Camps for Profit business.


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Message 457 of 2838 (846817)
01-12-2019 3:57 AM
Reply to: Message 436 by Faith
01-10-2019 11:40 PM


Re: Making America Great and Good Again
Just heard a lengthy clip on Mark Levin's show, of Mike Pompeo, our Secretary of State, giving a speech in Cairo in which he blasted the anti-American stupidities of Obama who sold us down the river at every opportunity.

I heard the part of that speech where Pompeo decried Obama having abandoned our allies and embraced our enemies. A couple weeks ago I caught part of Sean Hannity on a hypocritical tirade where he was trying to sound like a Democrat (eg, rule of law, nobody above the law, preserving the Constitution) instead of a Republican (eg, Trump's above the law, screw the Constitution).

Pompeo's speech rang just as hollow. Abandoning our allies, like Trump abandoning our NATO allies, our Kurdish allies. Embracing our enemies like Trump and the GOP embracing Russia.

Odd, Faith, that you would turn out to be fracking traitorous Russia-loving pinko!


\\He called Obama's policies huge mistakes that are now being corrected as America has returned to our traditional role in the world under this new administration, the role of helper and not aggressor, the role of ally and builder and not occupier, leaving when our work is done.

Uh, no. Trump has no plan and no policy. He doesn't even have the mental capacity to construct the intricate criminal enterprise which is The Trump Organization, especially its criminal tax fraud schemes, but rather it was his father who had set all that up for him. Trump totally lacks any instinct for helping anybody except himself -- just witness his complete disregard for the 800,000 federal employees who have to go without pay because of the current government shutdown that he had unilaterally created.

"leaving when our work is done". Our work in Syria is not done, because ISIS still exists. Our work there is not done until ISIS is eradicated totally. Has that happened? Fuck no, so what is Cadet Bonespurs pulling out now? I have served in my country's military for 35 honorable years! How long have you served? How long has Cadet Bonespurs served?

I had that conversation with a fellow veteran a Sunday ago. Service changes you. Your personal priorities change. You become more focused on your country. Every single time we enlisted, we swore a solemn oath to "protect and defend the Constitution of the United States of America against all enemies, foreign and domestic". I've estimated that I have sworn that oath about seven times. And I meant it every single time.

So you can see why I have such disdain for Russia-loving pinkos like you.

That's the America I've always known and loved and admired and what the Left has said about us and done to us over the last few decades under its spell of destructive Marxist ideology is despicable and unconscionable.

Nobody says America is perfect but it has been an influence for great good in this world that the Left has been trying to destroy for decades now, often by calling that good evil based on their own evil Marxist inverted morality, and magnifying human foibles that don't represent the nation and are a lot less vicious in any case than the moral failures of the Marxist creeps who attack them.

I had also had the same view of the positive influence of America. But then the Republicans came along and everything suddenly changed. And then Trump came along and everything went completely weird.

suddenly changed.
 
 
You keep going on about Marxism. What do you even know about Marxism? I would wager that you are completely ignorant of what Karl Marx had written, no different from any other mindless Repulicard.


ABE: Message to Congress: FUND THE WALL, YOU HYPOCRITICAL TRAITORS!!!

ABE: Message to Congress: FUND THE GOVERNMENT, YOU HYPOCRITICAL TRAITORS!!!

The Democratic House keeps passing bills to fund the government, but the Senate, through the personage of Mitch McConnell (and to think that that traitor and blackheart could possibly be a clansman of mine! -- though it must have been his Saxon blood that corrupted him) refuses to allow even a single one to be considered by the Senate. We are trying the best that we can go stop the shutdown, but it's the GOP that refuses to allow it to stop.

Rather, it is Trump himself who refuses to allow the shutdown to stop. He is the one who announced that he would create a shutdown if he didn't get his way: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EkL3fheL2MY (that was a random video grab; you yourself could find many more of the exact same video if you cared to). Approaching Xmas, both the House and the Senate supported funding the government (both were Republican then after all) and Trump supported those bills, but then Trump at the last moment reneged. Why? Because of pressure from Rush Limbaugh and Anne Coulter. Really? Those two extreme right-wing hacks have that much political power?


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dwise1
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Message 458 of 2838 (846818)
01-12-2019 4:09 AM
Reply to: Message 452 by Faith
01-11-2019 6:34 PM


Re: More Fake News from Fox
What a stupid idea that drones would be an effective means of border security. All they can do is watch the aliens running across the border, they can't stop them, unless you want them equipped with guns or tear gas or something, they can't arrest them, they can't send them home.

You fucking idiot! Drones give you eyes on the situation. You see aliens running across the border, so you know where to deploy your boots on the ground. Without any drones nor any other kind of surveilence, your "boots on the ground" just end up sitting around in an office with nothing to do.

Have you always been so incredibly STUPID? Or do you have to work on it constantly?

It doesn't matter which news feeds you tap into. Either way, you can see what's happening. Trump is sucking all the cash he can from the government. He has to placate his 30% core, so he puts on a big show about a metaphorical wall. Are you really ready to finance his metaphor? Please consult me as to what a metaphor is, since I doubt that you have any clue even about that.


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Faith
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Message 459 of 2838 (846858)
01-12-2019 3:58 PM
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01-12-2019 4:09 AM


Drones are not enough
My condolences on your mental problems. I already said drones are part of the package Trump wants in place, but that the wall is the essential part. There wouldn't be any illegals running anywhere if we had a secure barrier to prevent their entry.

Trump knows what he is doing. The money for the wall would be a tenth of a tenth of a tenth of a percent of what we spend on dealing with illegals now. The Democrats were all for a physical barrier in 2006 and recorded on other occasions as well. Of course it never happened, maybe that's because they don't really want it but they said they did and sounded a lot like Trump. He on the other hand DOES want it and knows the majority of Americans want it and he is doing what he should do as President, trying to protect American citiziens. That's his job and we love him for it. It's the Anti American Left that cares only for their own power who are obstructing him in doing his duty.

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Faith
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Message 460 of 2838 (846859)
01-12-2019 4:17 PM
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01-12-2019 3:57 AM


Re: Making America Great and Good Again
It's the Congress that is keeping the government shut by their refusal to do their duty and fund the wall that even they said in the past is needed. This is just partisan political obstructionism on their part.

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Message 461 of 2838 (846860)
01-12-2019 4:18 PM
Reply to: Message 459 by Faith
01-12-2019 3:58 PM


Re: Drones are not enough
the majority of Americans want it

except that's untrue, otherwise why would the american people have voted in a democratic majority in congress? Why would the majority of american people voted for Hilary Clinton who opposed the wall? The wall has never had the support of the majority of the american people.


It's not enough to bash in heads, you've got to bash in minds
soon I discovered that this rock thing was true
Jerry Lee Lewis was the devil
Jesus was an architect previous to his career as a prophet
All of a sudden i found myself in love with the world
And so there was only one thing I could do
Was ding a ding dang my dang along ling long - Jesus Built my Hotrod Ministry
Live every week like it's Shark Week! - Tracey Jordan
Just a monkey in a long line of kings. - Matthew Good
If "elitist" just means "not the dumbest motherfucker in the room", I'll be an elitist! - Get Your War On
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Faith
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Message 462 of 2838 (846861)
01-12-2019 4:19 PM
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01-12-2019 4:18 PM


Re: Drones are not enough
Polls you'll never hear about show clearly that a majority of Americans want a wall.

Oh and Hillary is on record asking for a barrier at our southern border and carrying on at some length about why we need it in terms very reminiscent of Trump's statements. If you can pull yourself out of the Leftist mire that's sucking you down and go listen to any of the pundits I've been referring to I'm sure you'll hear her very own voice saying so. As well as Schumer and Pelosi and Obama and others.

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DrJones*
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Message 463 of 2838 (846863)
01-12-2019 4:24 PM
Reply to: Message 462 by Faith
01-12-2019 4:19 PM


Re: Drones are not enough
Polls you'll never hear about show clearly that a majority of Americans want a wall.

and where are these polls published? you have evidence to support your statement? (he asks in jest knowing that she is full of shit)

It's not enough to bash in heads, you've got to bash in minds
soon I discovered that this rock thing was true
Jerry Lee Lewis was the devil
Jesus was an architect previous to his career as a prophet
All of a sudden i found myself in love with the world
And so there was only one thing I could do
Was ding a ding dang my dang along ling long - Jesus Built my Hotrod Ministry
Live every week like it's Shark Week! - Tracey Jordan
Just a monkey in a long line of kings. - Matthew Good
If "elitist" just means "not the dumbest motherfucker in the room", I'll be an elitist! - Get Your War On
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Message 464 of 2838 (846865)
01-12-2019 4:27 PM
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01-12-2019 4:19 PM


Re: Drones are not enough
Post those polls.

Nobody other than Trump and loonies want or ever wanted the wall he's pushing. Others have suggested and voted for various limited-scale barriers placed where they actually can be effective. Those barriers are in place.

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Faith
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Message 465 of 2838 (846868)
01-12-2019 4:34 PM
Reply to: Message 464 by JonF
01-12-2019 4:27 PM


Re: Drones are not enough
No, the Democrats appropriated a lot more than five billion for a BARRIER in the past. Find it for yourself. Their own voices can be heard saying that's what they wanted before Trump wanted it. All you hear is Leftist propaganda that denies this reality.

I'm sure you are a lot better able to do the research than I am.

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