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ringo Member (Idle past 432 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
Phat writes:
But why would it be a "recommendation" or a "suggestion" at all? Why would it not be automatic for a Christian to treat others as he would want to be treated? Why would Paul even have to mention it? There was one slave involved, who was a Christian and with Paul at the time. Paul wrote to his owner, also a Christian whom he knew, to suggest that he set him free. It's there to be a model for whomever. They had both become Christians and Paul was a Christian leader.And our geese will blot out the sun.
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Faith  Suspended Member (Idle past 1465 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined: |
Because slavery was an entrenched practice everywhere in the world, just one of many classes of people in all societies and not considered to be a particular wrong. That understanding had to grow over time. Unbelievers have the silly habit of reading the Bible anachronistically, from within today's social contexts. Paul was being respectful to the slave owner as a reasonable person, and counting on his Christian conscience to see his point.
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ringo Member (Idle past 432 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
Faith writes:
No it didn't, no more so than any other doctrine. If the early Christians could accept the concept that Jesus was their Saviour, they could accept the concept of doing unto others as they would have others do unto them. Because slavery was an entrenched practice everywhere in the world, just one of many classes of people in all societies and not considered to be a particular wrong. That understanding had to grow over time.And our geese will blot out the sun.
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Capt Stormfield Member Posts: 429 From: Vancouver Island Joined:
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Slavery existed universally in those days. So did murder, adultery, and the eating of shellfish. Didn't stop the authors of the Bible from prohibiting them. This is one of the subjects which most clearly reveal the dishonesty of fundamentalists like Faith.
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Faith  Suspended Member (Idle past 1465 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined: |
Fine. Write your own Bible, the real one is obviously so far inferior to your wisdom we need yours to replace it.
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Faith  Suspended Member (Idle past 1465 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined: |
See post above. I defer to your obviously superior wisdom. Maybe I'll listen to your idiotic videos later.
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ringo Member (Idle past 432 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined:
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Faith writes:
You're the one who rejects what the Bible actually says in favour of what the apologists and commentators tell you to believe. I think it's plain from Paul's epistle that slavery was acceptable to the early church just like it was acceptable to American Christians until 1865. It illustrates how Christian morality is based on doctrine rather than empathy. Fine. Write your own Bible, the real one is obviously so far inferior to your wisdom we need yours to replace it.And our geese will blot out the sun.
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Capt Stormfield Member Posts: 429 From: Vancouver Island Joined: |
Perhaps it would be more helpful if you actually read yours.
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Faith  Suspended Member (Idle past 1465 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined: |
What would really be helpful is if all my opponents stopped saying stupid false irrelevant things and wasting space.
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Faith  Suspended Member (Idle past 1465 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined: |
I heard a few seconds of the video. No the Bible does not "sanction" slavery, it treats it as a universal social practice that was so entrenched it had to wait until the culture was more advanced to be able to do away with it. Meanwhile the Mosaic Law humanized and liberalized the laws governing it.
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AZPaul3 Member Posts: 8527 From: Phoenix Joined: Member Rating: 5.2 |
No the Bible does not "sanction" slavery, it treats it as a No the Bible does not "sanction" slavery, it treats it as a universal social practice that was so entrenched it had to wait until the culture was more advanced to be able to do away with it. that was so entrenched it had to wait until the culture was more advanced to be able to do away with it. So your god was already adept at relative morality. Since this culture is now even more advanced and is well on its way toward changing the universal social practices of homophobia are you willing to accept gay marriage in modern society? Any problems with premarital sex? How about eating shellfish?
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Faith  Suspended Member (Idle past 1465 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined: |
My God is wise and doesn't push people beyond our abilities.
Since this culture is now even more advanced and is well on its way toward changing the universal social practices of homophobia are you willing to accept gay marriage in modern society? Any problems with premarital sex? How about eating shellfish? There is no such thing as homophobia in the sense used by Cultural Marxist Political Correctness and is not a sin in any case but homosexual behavior is a sin against God's Law. You are thinking illogically. We were able to do away with the cultural sin of slavery in the Christian west, though it continues in the rest of the world. If we could also do away with the sin of homosexual behavior then the situations would be roughly parallel (although homosexual sin is a persona sin and slavery a cultural sin). Want to help us do away with homosexual behavior so we can clear the board of that sin too? Premarital sex is also a sin. Want to help us rid the culture of that one? Shellfish was forbidden to the Israelites as part of the food prohibitions which were a way to distinguish them from the surrounding idolatrous nations. Those food laws were specifically rescinded in the New Testament. But feel free to avoid eating shellfish if it offends your conscience to eat it. You really should not try to think about these things. You aren't any good at it. Edited by Faith, : No reason given.
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AZPaul3 Member Posts: 8527 From: Phoenix Joined: Member Rating: 5.2
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There is no such thing as homophobia in the sense used by Cultural Marxist Political Correctness and is not a sin in any case ... Spoken like a true alt-right bigot with no compassion for the reality of the human condition. Blind and severely insensitive. Christian.
You really should not try to think about these things. You aren't any good at it. Ohh, ho! Now YOU'RE flirting with ME, aren't ya! You naughty little thing.
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ringo Member (Idle past 432 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
Faith writes:
Well, no. Jesus said that God's law boils down to, "Love God and love your neighbour as yourself."
There is no such thing as homophobia in the sense used by Cultural Marxist Political Correctness and is not a sin in any case but homosexual behavior is a sin against God's Law.quote:Homosexual behaviour doesn't violate that law. Denying rights to homosexuals does. And our geese will blot out the sun.
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Stile Member Posts: 4295 From: Ontario, Canada Joined: |
Faith writes: I explained it all at least three times. You did. And 3 times I've shown you objective events in reality that show your explanations to be in error. You have not been able to provide anything that makes reality go away yet.
If that isn't enough for you that's your fault. Enough for me?I don't need anything more. My statements are backed up by objective events in reality. It's your statements that are simple claims you've made that are contradicted by objective events in reality. That's plenty for me, it means I'm right.
It's quite clear. Your "facts" are not facts. You can continue to say so as long as you'd like.As long as you can't provide events from objective reality to back up your claims - then they are as useful as any other made-up idea in your head. A band-aid for dealing with your personal growth while being frustrated with reality each day, but not true in any way.
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