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Faith  Suspended Member (Idle past 1471 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined: |
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Faith  Suspended Member (Idle past 1471 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined: |
-This discussion got started on the Offense thread but it really belongs here:
Examples of how the Democrats once sounded a lot like Trump on the subject of needing better defenses against illegal immigration. Here's Bill Clinton And Obama And others.
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Faith  Suspended Member (Idle past 1471 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined: |
Both Hillary and Schumer specifically asked for a "barrier" in their own speeches about the glaring need to stop the endless stream of illegal aliens. Many billions were also discussed, far exceeding Trump's mere five or so. I've heard so many such quotes recently I've forgotten who said it all, but Bill Clinton, Hillary, Schumer, Pelosi, Obama and others are all on tape sounding a lot like Trump on the subject over the years from 1995 to Obama. Since there is a leftist blockade of such information in the usual media you'd have to go to the right wing to get this information.
In his speech Trump made it clear that the experts and the people most involved with border problems favor a wall. It's stupid to pretend it's "too expensive" when tens to hundreds of billions go to less worthy projects all the time, INCLUDING BILLIONS TO DEAL WITH THE PROBLEMS CAUSED BY ILLEGAL IMMIGRANTS, NOT EVEN COUNTING THE COSTS OF THE DRUG PROBLEMS THEY BRING WITH THEM. THEY ACCOUNT FOR ALL KINDS OF COSTS BECAUSE OF CRIME AND THE IDIOTIC "RIGHT" TO OUR TAXPAYER DOLLARS GIVEN TO THEM FOR WELFARE AND MEDICAL COSTS NOT EVEN GIVEN TO CITIZENS, BECAUSE THEY COME HERE UNABLE TO SUPPORT THEMSELVES, which ought to be a minimal requirement for immigrants. And it's stupid to deny that a wall works when so many Democrats have favored it until Trump wanted it. Also family separation was the policy under Obama, not just Trump. Funny how Democrats can get away with such stuff but when Trump does exactly the same thing he's vilified for it. It's the Left who are the hypocrites. Listen to Limbaugh, Hannity, Shapiro, Mark Levin, Michael Savage for a while. You are so deceived it's pathetic. Edited by Faith, : No reason given. Edited by Faith, : No reason given. Edited by Faith, : No reason given. Edited by Faith, : No reason given.
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Faith  Suspended Member (Idle past 1471 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined: |
Just heard a lengthy clip on Mark Levin's show, of Mike Pompeo, our Secretary of State, giving a speech in Cairo in which he blasted the anti-American stupidities of Obama who sold us down the river at every opportunity. \
\\He called Obama's policies huge mistakes that are now being corrected as America has returned to our traditional role in the world under this new administration, the role of helper and not aggressor, the role of ally and builder and not occupier, leaving when our work is done. That's the America I've always known and loved and admired and what the Left has said about us and done to us over the last few decades under its spell of destructive Marxist ideology is despicable and unconscionable. Nobody says America is perfect but it has been an influence for great good in this world that the Left has been trying to destroy for decades now, often by calling that good evil based on their own evil Marxist inverted morality, and magnifying human foibles that don't represent the nation and are a lot less vicious in any case than the moral failures of the Marxist creeps who attack them. I had tears streaming down my cheeks after hearing that clip, for a change tears of joy that someone with some authority was telling the truth and affirming the good. I often have tears over the evils of the Left but that's something else. This goodness and greatness of America is what Trump is set on restoring, this Trump who is so unfairly hated and vilified by the likes of most of you here. I can only pray that you won't win. ABE: Message to Congress: FUND THE WALL, YOU HYPOCRITICAL TRAITORS!!! Edited by Faith, : No reason given. Edited by Faith, : No reason given. Edited by Faith, : No reason given. Edited by Faith, : No reason given. Edited by Faith, : No reason given.
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Faith  Suspended Member (Idle past 1471 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined: |
Levin also had a segment on how Eisenhower tried to deal with the illegal immigrant problem back in the fifties. In those days they were called "wetbacks." I couldn't listen continuously so didn't get the details but it sounded like he managed to cut the problem back quite a bit, even to the point that many of the illegals went back to their own countries in reaction. The corruptions involved in all this were highlighted as much of what Eisenhower was dealing with, that still continue today: the exploitation of the illegals by giving them low wages as they replace American workers who would have to be paid twice as much, and the political strongarm intimidation tactics that prevent those who have the job of enforcing the laws from acting. The economic motive has always been there but there is also the Leftist motive today of flooding the nation with ignorant people who will vote for them, without bothering with citizenship questions, at a cost of billions in taxpayer money.
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Faith  Suspended Member (Idle past 1471 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined: |
Yeah I've also heard all the leftwing "experts" saying a wall isn't needed. All partisan politics trotted out because it's Trump who wants it now instead of all the Democrats who are also on record wanting it.
Why should we want ANY illegal immigrant criminals here? What kind of bizarre apologetics is this? Families were separated under Obama too, the rest is irrelevant. But in all this it gets forgotten that a great number of children come into the country unaccompanied and are held in separate facilities for that reason anyway. Edited by Faith, : No reason given.
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Faith  Suspended Member (Idle past 1471 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined: |
Strategic mistakes don't invalidate the basic character of America or of Trump's intentions, this is typical of Leftist thinking, just can't keep things in context or proportion.
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Faith  Suspended Member (Idle past 1471 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined: |
I've heard strong opinions from conservatives on both sides of pulling out of Syria. But again, mistaken military decisions do not change the basic character of American intentions. Unless they were Obama's decisions, all of which on every issue aimed at destroying the character of America, a la "Hope and Change" for a Marxist transformation into a third world totalitarian dung heap.
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Faith  Suspended Member (Idle past 1471 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined: |
What a stupid idea that drones would be an effective means of border security. All they can do is watch the aliens running across the border, they can't stop them, unless you want them equipped with guns or tear gas or something, they can't arrest them, they can't send them home. Trump wants all the technology and facilities plus the wall. The wall is essential. Without a barrier the whole border security enterprise is a lost cause.
Both Schumer and Hillary specifically asked for a barrier, a lot more recently than 1995. You are right, I'm giving no references and won't. I hear these things on the radio and you either take my word for it or you don't and I don't care what you do with it. Trump did not lie, you are lying about Trump just as all the Leftist media do every hour of every day. Pelosi and Schumer lied about Trump "having a temper tantrum" just because the Left can't stop its nasty snarky lying they hate the man so deeply and irrationally, and the media ate it up. He was completely calm and collected, just as he was in his really well done speech from the Oval Office. And a White House source says that speech put Trump over the top in approval ratings. Of course we haven't been hearing any poll information except from such an inside source because it really was a great speech and the majority approved of it. It is perhaps a bit surprising that someone hasn't produced a bogus poll showing majority disapproval. Stop reading the Leftist press, it's poisoning your mind. To claim that reading the occasional Fox News report or other "conservative" report gives you the whole picture is self-delusion. Spend some time with the REAL Right, the talk shows I've mentioned. Levin in particular is a reliable researcher. Ugh, you are so deluded I can't stand reading your stuff.\\ Edited by Faith, : No reason given.
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Faith  Suspended Member (Idle past 1471 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined: |
My condolences on your mental problems. I already said drones are part of the package Trump wants in place, but that the wall is the essential part. There wouldn't be any illegals running anywhere if we had a secure barrier to prevent their entry.
Trump knows what he is doing. The money for the wall would be a tenth of a tenth of a tenth of a percent of what we spend on dealing with illegals now. The Democrats were all for a physical barrier in 2006 and recorded on other occasions as well. Of course it never happened, maybe that's because they don't really want it but they said they did and sounded a lot like Trump. He on the other hand DOES want it and knows the majority of Americans want it and he is doing what he should do as President, trying to protect American citiziens. That's his job and we love him for it. It's the Anti American Left that cares only for their own power who are obstructing him in doing his duty. Edited by Faith, : No reason given. Edited by Faith, : No reason given. Edited by Faith, : No reason given. Edited by Faith, : No reason given.
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Faith  Suspended Member (Idle past 1471 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined: |
It's the Congress that is keeping the government shut by their refusal to do their duty and fund the wall that even they said in the past is needed. This is just partisan political obstructionism on their part.
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Faith  Suspended Member (Idle past 1471 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined: |
Polls you'll never hear about show clearly that a majority of Americans want a wall.
Oh and Hillary is on record asking for a barrier at our southern border and carrying on at some length about why we need it in terms very reminiscent of Trump's statements. If you can pull yourself out of the Leftist mire that's sucking you down and go listen to any of the pundits I've been referring to I'm sure you'll hear her very own voice saying so. As well as Schumer and Pelosi and Obama and others. Edited by Faith, : No reason given. Edited by Faith, : No reason given.
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Faith  Suspended Member (Idle past 1471 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined: |
No, the Democrats appropriated a lot more than five billion for a BARRIER in the past. Find it for yourself. Their own voices can be heard saying that's what they wanted before Trump wanted it. All you hear is Leftist propaganda that denies this reality.
I'm sure you are a lot better able to do the research than I am. Edited by Faith, : No reason given. Edited by Faith, : No reason given.
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Faith  Suspended Member (Idle past 1471 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined: |
The Leftist media are the champs when it comes to fake polls.
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Faith  Suspended Member (Idle past 1471 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined: |
Percy posted pictures of the Obama house on the Trump Bashing Thread (Message 2673) on which I am forbidden to post, before the wall went up, using them to say Trump lied about there being a wall around it. Typical. I don't have the ability to track down all the anti-Trump lies here, wish I did, but at least I found this one.
Here are some pictures of the wall going up: Obamas new Washington DC home gets a wall installed as they prepare to move in | Daily Mail Online Gosh it's only eight feet high, not ten. Wow what a whopper of a lie Trump told about that! Impeach him.
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Faith  Suspended Member (Idle past 1471 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined: |
Here's Hillary in 2015 saying she wants a "barrier" at the border:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tnZKlLfFx0w First few minutes. Haven't found Schumer yet but I've heard him say it on the radio dozens of times so it must be out there somewhere. abe: Still can't find where Schumer specifically mentioned a barrier but here he is sounding a lot like Trump, at 3:09 and 4:58: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tlfOPvUABnw\\ ================================= Look, I know that it's my job to produce references but research really IS hard for me and getting harder on the time as my eyes are getting worse and it is a strain to read anything on the internet with a white background. I was unable to get a coupon for the supplements that prevent the problem from getting worse for almost a month, can't afford full price, and over the counter substitutes really don't do the job. My eyes noticeably worsened over that time. I just got a coupon and now have a four month supply, hooray, but the damage has been done. Sorry but that's the way things are and I don't want to risk making the problem worse by spending too much time reading stuff if I don't have to. So, sorry, but calling me a liar makes you the liar. Edited by Faith, : No reason given. Edited by Faith, : No reason given. Edited by Faith, : No reason given.
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