Tribute Thread For the Recently Raptured Faith

All that "evidence" of yours is bogus revisionist crap.

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All that "evidence" of yours is bogus revisionist crap.

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I admit that your lies are abundant, but they aren’t evidence of God.Ranting and raving against the truth simply proves your irrationality.

Your "evidence" comes from unbelieving "scholars" who had a bias against the supernatural. That makes it all revisionist crap to be thrown in the trash. The Bible as traditionally understood is correct. Moses wrote and oversaw the writing of the Torah/Pentateuch and there was no gap of hundreds of years between its events and the writing since he was there during it all. You are the liar and the irrational ranter, both.Edited by Faith, : No reason given.

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Your "evidence" comes from unbelieving "scholars" who had a bias against the supernatural

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Ad hominem attacks do nothing to disprove the facts. It’s odd though that you think that the Bible is the creation of unbelieving "scholars" who had a bias against the supernatural. But it’s hardly the first time you’ve made claims like that.

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That makes it all revisionist crap to be thrown in the trash.

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If we throw the Book of Exodus in the trash as revisionist crap, where does that leave your case? Even when we talk about the historical and archaeological evidence you are going to need more than ad hominem to justify your claims.

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The Bible as traditionally understood is correct

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Except when you don’t like it, as we saw in the case of God hardening the Pharaoh’s heart - also in Exodus.

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Moses wrote and oversaw the Torah/Penateuch and there was no gap of hundreds of years between its events and the writing since he was there during it all.

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According to traditions of unknown origin which are hardly sufficient to answer the internal evidence of the books themselves.

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You are the liar and the irrational ranter, both.

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Well that’s another lie and a pretty irrational one since everyone can read your posts and see it’s a lie. A bit rant-ish too.

My argument (today, anyway ) is that belief is useful to humanity. Even if humans collectively and consensually decided that it all was made-up, they would still do well to believe in something and someone greater than humanity is currently capable of being. It's like Voltaire said: If God did not exist, it would be necessary to make one up. You said it better elsewhere. I'm not ready to trash the book. You do have a point that our relationship is with God in our head...but I would add the heart. You did get me thinking when you stated that I have cognitive dissonance regarding helping people. If God is real and actual (which I have believed for a long while) then maybe (perhaps) He wants there to be no evidence. Perhaps He wants people to have faith....I'm just working out how this can be beneficial to society rather than your default argument to dump religion globally. My point is that we shouldn't teach future generations not to believe. You seem to think it harms them. I'm arguing that it(belief) does not.Edited by Phat, : No reason given.

I get that Percy, but my point is that it is the same argument whether you talk about a regression of gods or processes. It's still turtles all the way down. I have dealt with that numerous times and yes, suffering is a difficult question for a Christian to answer. I'll repeat what I've said before. Firstly a loving compassionate god is a far better explanation for why there are creatures who are able to love altruistically and minimize suffering than are blind processes. I think that we have agreed that deep down people realize that the golden rule should be foundational to humanity whether they actually live it out or not.Concerning the suffering caused by humans is concerned, and you've heard a thousand times. you can't have the ability to choose to love sacrificially if you can't choose to love the self even to the detriment of others. Entropy seems to be a necessity for a world with onlty one direction of time which results in natural disasters.Also from from a Christian stand point, this isn't the end and that with new creation there will a world where the wolf lies down with the lamb and there is no suffering. I believe with only subjective evidence that we are an emergent property within a much greater reality. For us time flows in only one direction but in the greater reality of which we are only 4.5% time and space are infinite.I have no evidence for that but it forms a way of understanding things which fits with both my Christian understanding as well as with my ultra minimal understanding of relativity and QM. No I didn't. I meant it is the same sense as I would use the term Christian, atheist, secular humanist etc. Even Paul wrote that we can see God in the physical world. IMHO it only makes sense it learn from all the sources that we have, whether it be holy books, philosophy or science. Ultimately the absolute truth has to have all of this in harmony.I haven't had a lot of time to deal with EvC lately and the next couple of weeks is going to be the same. Sorry if I don't get back to everyone.

Well that assertion is deserving of its own thread.I'm not sure, but I accept generally that people appear to have a need for something like purpose. If you start a thread I'll join in. I suspect you mean that metaphorically but you shouldn't mix up heads and hearts like they're different things. You surely know that everything you know and feel happens in your head. It makes no sense to want to leave no evidence but send someone to earth to give all these messages and perform all sorts of circus tricks while he's here. It really is time to stop trying the reconcile ancient mythology with the voices in your head that you think is your god. If you think the voice is your god, why not just talk to him? The religion stuff is bunk and I think you're beginning to see that. Ok, so let's talk that one through.

Moses was there during the creation? In the Garden of Eden? During the Flood? At the Tower of Babel? At Sodom and Gomorrah?

Sigh. We were talking about the miracles that were given as evidence for God. Sigh.Edited by Faith, : No reason given.

You point to the creation as evidence for God. You point to the Flood as evidence for God. You claimed that Moses was there for all of the Torah/Pentateuch and I pointed out that you were wrong.

Disbelief in the supernatural is hardly a mere ad hominem in relation to "scholars" working on a book known for its supernatural content. It is a flat-out disqualification for the job.The "internal evidence" you tout so highly is nothing but the subjective imaginings of the bogus "scholars."The rest of your stuff doesn't deserve an answer.Edited by Faith, : No reason given.

I have never pointed to the Creation or to the Flood as evidence for God that I know of. It is the miracles He performed in the leading of His people that are intended as the evidence.

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Disbelief in the supernatural is hardly a mere ad hominem in relation to "scholars" working on a book known for its supernatural content. It is a flat-out disqualification for the job

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Of course it is ad hominem since it is directed against the people and not against their arguments. Moreover you have yet to provide any reason to believe that it is true or even relevant. For instance a scholar’s views on the supernatural have no bearing on the absence of useful historical markers in the text of Exodus.

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The "internal evidence" you tout so highly is nothing but the subjective imaginings of the bogus "scholars."

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And that is a lie.

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The rest of your stuff doesn't deserve an answer.

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And there we see your usual hate of the truth.

Truly Leftists and atheists must be missing some essential part of the brain.

How - and more important why - would they have happened without God?