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dwise1
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Message 481 of 5796 (846908)
01-13-2019 12:32 PM
Reply to: Message 469 by Faith
01-13-2019 7:32 AM


Re: Drones are not enough
The Leftist media are the champs when it comes to fake polls.
How long have you suffered from your inability to distinguish left from right?
Certainly, the Fake News Network (AKA FOX and the other right wingnut propaganda mills) generates a lot of disinformation -- the current White House is a prominent source of disinformation, but there is so much exchange of lies between them and the Fake News Network (and the Kremlin) that it's very difficult to determine the ultimate source. Of course that includes fake polls, such as the one you alluded to in Message 462. One characteristic of those fake polls is that they are rarely identified or described.
In contrast, when actual news services cite a poll, they will identify that poll and who had conducted it and usually also whom were polled.
Yet again, in Message 462 you wrote "Polls you'll never hear about show clearly that a majority of Americans want a wall." Multiple people have requested that you provide information about those "polls". Of course, you have not responded to those requests nor will you ever, because deep down even you realize that your "polls" are complete fakes.

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Message 482 of 5796 (846922)
01-13-2019 2:07 PM
Reply to: Message 473 by Percy
01-13-2019 10:11 AM


Re: More Fake News from Fox
Here's Hillary in 2015 saying she wants a "barrier" at the border:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tnZKlLfFx0w
First few minutes.
Haven't found Schumer yet but I've heard him say it on the radio dozens of times so it must be out there somewhere.
abe: Still can't find where Schumer specifically mentioned a barrier but here he is sounding a lot like Trump, at 3:09 and 4:58:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tlfOPvUABnw\\
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Look, I know that it's my job to produce references but research really IS hard for me and getting harder on the time as my eyes are getting worse and it is a strain to read anything on the internet with a white background. I was unable to get a coupon for the supplements that prevent the problem from getting worse for almost a month, can't afford full price, and over the counter substitutes really don't do the job. My eyes noticeably worsened over that time. I just got a coupon and now have a four month supply, hooray, but the damage has been done. Sorry but that's the way things are and I don't want to risk making the problem worse by spending too much time reading stuff if I don't have to. So, sorry, but calling me a liar makes you the liar.
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JonF
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Message 483 of 5796 (846925)
01-13-2019 2:39 PM
Reply to: Message 482 by Faith
01-13-2019 2:07 PM


Re: More Fake News from Fox
That's not Hillary saying anything. That's Cory Lewandowski claiming, without evidence or context., that Hillary said she wants a barrier. That proves nothing.
But she may have said it. Which is nowhere near saying that she wants a $25 billion wall, plus high maintenance costs in remote terrain.
Not to mention the severe problems with such a wall.
BTW calling you a liar doesn't prove anyone is a liar. Noting your many pathetic and obvious lies does. "No right wing violence."
I'm sorry for your difficulties.
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Message 484 of 5796 (846926)
01-13-2019 2:42 PM
Reply to: Message 483 by JonF
01-13-2019 2:39 PM


Re: More Fake News from Fox
She is on video saying it. You must have stopped too soon.

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Message 485 of 5796 (846927)
01-13-2019 2:47 PM
Reply to: Message 484 by Faith
01-13-2019 2:42 PM


Re: More Fake News from Fox
OK, I won't check but I'll believe you. It's an insignificant point. In favor of a barrier and implacably opposed to Trump’s wall are consistent positions.

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PaulK
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Message 486 of 5796 (846928)
01-13-2019 2:56 PM
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01-13-2019 2:42 PM


Re: More Fake News from Fox
Hilary Clinton is on video saying that she had voted for a barrier when she was a senator. Which we already knew. The clip does not included her saying anything about what she wanted in 2015, nor any context to show why she was saying what she said.
It starts about 11 seconds in, and it is very short.

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Message 487 of 5796 (846929)
01-13-2019 3:24 PM
Reply to: Message 486 by PaulK
01-13-2019 2:56 PM


Re: More Fake News from Fox
And because I can do research I was able to find a complete report from the time, including context, more complete video and a rough transcript.
Latino USA
Here is one paragraph.
We need to secure our borders, I’m for it, I voted for it, I believe in it, and we also need to deal with the families, the workers who are here, who have made contributions, and their children. Mexican immigration no longer is really the issue. The Mexican economy is doing well enough, we’ve had no net Mexican immigration in the last several years. We now get immigrants from Central America and Latin America. And a lot of them make a very dangerous trip with smugglers and traffickers to try to get in to our country. And we need to do more to try to put some resources into those countries to try to deal with some of the conditions particularly the violence, the drug dealers and the like, that create that.
So no, she did not explicitly support a wall, but she did point to other things that should be done. And where is Trump on providing a road to citizenship for illegal immigrants who have proved to be valuable members of society ? Where is Trump on helping the war-torn countries that refugees are fleeing from ?

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JonF
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Message 488 of 5796 (846930)
01-13-2019 3:28 PM


A barrier is not necessarily Trump's wall.
Some existing barriers on the Mexican border.
Blocking vehicles:
Others:

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Message 489 of 5796 (846936)
01-13-2019 6:24 PM
Reply to: Message 488 by JonF
01-13-2019 3:28 PM


Re: A barrier is not necessarily Trump's wall.
Trump wants whatever sort of barrier will keep people from crossing the border, he has described it differently at different times. He is currently focusing on the steel slats type of wall or barrier because as I understand it that is what the border patrol have recommended. You are all just wasting time and space with your carryings on about different kinds of barriers. Hillary was talking about a barrier. Trump is talking about a barrier. You're all playing silly games with words. Grow up.

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Message 490 of 5796 (846938)
01-13-2019 6:59 PM
Reply to: Message 489 by Faith
01-13-2019 6:24 PM


Re: A barrier is not necessarily Trump's wall.
Hillary talked about a very different set of barriers than Trump does, no matter which of Trump's versions you consider. Therefore she has not been hypocritical or inconsistent.
And your claim that:
No, the Democrats appropriated a lot more than five billion for a BARRIER in the past. Find it for yourself. Their own voices can be heard saying that's what they wanted before Trump wanted it. All you hear is Leftist propaganda that denies this reality.
is 100% false (Democrats did not vote for any appropriations). I'd call it a lie if it weren't obviously a product of your abysmal ignorance and refusal to learn anything about reality.
Trump may want a barrier to "keep people from crossing the border", but that's not possible. As I pointed out in Message 453, Homeland Security is more realistic:
quote:
For its part, the DHS has argued that no wall is impenetrable and that by slowing migrants trying to breach it, Border Patrol agents are given time to respond. DHS spokeswoman Katie Waldman told NBC that the prototypes were only meant to inform the final design moving forward.
And I predicted correctly:
quote:
You should (but won't) reflect on that headline and the wide assortment of heavy-industry-strength cutting, boring, bending, and burning tools available in Mexico. Don't forget explosives.
So any barrier will have to be studded with sensors. Which fail or are broken, requiring lots of maintenance people. The barrier itself will require maintenance. There will have to be lots of manned border patrol stations along all of the wall to react to incursions.
It will have no effect on drug traffic, 95% of drugs are smuggled through ports of entry. It might reduce the already-historically-low number of illegal immigrants (the barriers Hillary voted for work), but boats and sophisticated tunnels will continue to exist. It could cut down on the number of asylum seekers if we continue to ignore international and US law in processing them.

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Message 491 of 5796 (846939)
01-13-2019 7:18 PM
Reply to: Message 490 by JonF
01-13-2019 6:59 PM


Re: A barrier is not necessarily Trump's wall.
SO WHAT???? Do you think the Border Patrol don't know what's required? Good grief.
never mind I've got to get out of this madhouse.
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dwise1
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Message 492 of 5796 (846943)
01-13-2019 8:11 PM
Reply to: Message 437 by Faith
01-11-2019 8:19 AM


I will save Operation Wetback, the bracero program, and the A-TEAM (more completely covered at https://www.npr.org/...grant-farmworkers-with-high-schoolers) for later.
... but there is also the Leftist motive today of flooding the nation with ignorant people who will vote for them, without bothering with citizenship questions, ...
Please explain exactly what you are talking about there. More precisely, how would non-citizens ever be able to vote? That is not a rhetorical question. Please explain to the best of your ability (talk about setting a low bar!) how that would or could ever work. How would that work?
... at a cost of billions in taxpayer money.
Huh? How? Where? Please be as specific as you possibly can (yet again, a very low bar).
Are you talking about the impact of illegal immigrants on Social Security?
Edited by dwise1, : Added NPR report on the A-TEAM

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dwise1
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Message 493 of 5796 (846944)
01-13-2019 8:13 PM
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01-13-2019 7:18 PM


Re: A barrier is not necessarily Trump's wall.
Do you think the Border Patrol don't know what's required?
Yes, they would know. And they tried to explain it to Trump.
Does Trump know? Hell no! He's still a fucking moron! And you're still listening to his lies!
Edited by dwise1, : And you're still listening to his lies!

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Message 494 of 5796 (846945)
01-13-2019 8:14 PM
Reply to: Message 491 by Faith
01-13-2019 7:18 PM


Re: A barrier is not necessarily Trump's wall.
SO WHAT!!!
So your claim that Democrats allocated more than $5 billion for barriers was false. "All you hear is Leftist propaganda that denies this reality." was false. "The was quuadrupally false. Democrats were all for a physical barrier in 2006 and recorded on other occasions as well. Of course it never happened, maybe that's because they don't really want it but they said they did and sounded a lot like Trump." is quadrupally false.
Oh, let's not forget "Polls you'll never hear about show clearly that a majority of Americans want a wall" is half-true. We'll never hear about them because they don't exist you made them up. And you wonder why we say you lie.

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dwise1
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Message 495 of 5796 (846947)
01-13-2019 8:51 PM
Reply to: Message 435 by Faith
01-10-2019 8:18 PM


Re: More Fake News from Fox
In his speech Trump made it clear that the experts and the people most involved with border problems favor a wall.
Yes, that is what TRUMP says. As usual, time after time, reality says something very different.
In Trump's "ground zero of the immigration crisis", McAllen, TX, there is no sign of any problem on the border, outside of a few tunnels under the barriers which are being dealt with. Everybody feels very safe.
Face it, Faith. Trump has lied to you yet again. Why are you such a glutton for being deceived?
... , INCLUDING BILLIONS TO DEAL WITH THE PROBLEMS CAUSED BY ILLEGAL IMMIGRANTS, NOT EVEN COUNTING THE COSTS OF THE DRUG PROBLEMS THEY BRING WITH THEM. THEY ACCOUNT FOR ALL KINDS OF COSTS BECAUSE OF CRIME AND THE IDIOTIC "RIGHT" TO OUR TAXPAYER DOLLARS GIVEN TO THEM FOR WELFARE AND MEDICAL COSTS NOT EVEN GIVEN TO CITIZENS, BECAUSE THEY COME HERE UNABLE TO SUPPORT THEMSELVES, which ought to be a minimal requirement for immigrants.
Uh, please support those statements. That is not rhetorical!
Drug problems? What drug problems? Please be specific! By now we should all know that drugs are an expensive habit, so if they are so dirt poor, then how could they afford drugs? Really? Are you that divorced from reality?
Crime? You already know that US citizens and legal immigrants account for far more criminal activity than illegals. Put yourself in their shoes (granted you are incapable of such empathy since you're a right-wing authoritarian and a "true Christian" who could never walk a mile in another man's shoes (gee, where have I heard that before?)). If you had snuck into somewhere where you didn't belong, would you want to keep a low profile to avoid being spotted, or would you immediately go on a massive crime spree that would be sure to draw attention to you and get you kicked out of there or worse? Duh? I mean, really, just how brain-dead are you Trumpisti?
" ... OUR TAXPAYER DOLLARS GIVEN TO THEM FOR WELFARE AND MEDICAL COSTS NOT EVEN GIVEN TO CITIZENS ... " Just what the hell are you babbling on about? What welfare and medical costs are you talking about? Be very specific! Social security? Medicare? What?
You keep babbling on, regurgitating your right wingnut nonsense. Just what the hell are you talking about? And just how exactly are they "not even given to citizens"?
It's the Left who are the hypocrites. Listen to Limbaugh, Hannity, Shapiro, Mark Levin, Michael Savage for a while. You are so deceived it's pathetic.
I have listened to Limbaugh and Hannity. A couple of idiots. All Limbaugh could do was to mock the other side with absolutely no substantive content. Hannity just tried to twist everything around.
Now, you watch MSNBC for a day! There is a boatload of information about Trump that the Fake News Network has been keeping from you. If you have the great fortune to have Malcolm Nance on, then listen to him. A fellow chief (Senior Chief) who has worked in intelligence for 35 years, the first time I heard him speak (on the radio about the organization of Al Queda) I could tell that he knew what he was talking about.

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