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Phat
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Message 1 of 12 (847000)
01-15-2019 8:09 AM


Living Behind A Silly Wall From Reality
I got up bright and early and was reading Did Jesus Declare All Food Clean? when a couple of posts by new member candle2 caught my eye...namely about the toxins within unclean animals and how hogs used to eat all of Philadelphia's trash, according to him! Naturally, I wanted to research this piggish claim, so I began googling and stumbled upon this article: A Filthy History: When New Yorkers Lived Knee-Deep in Trash. The pigs, of course, have long since ceased being a solution to urban garbage, but the article that I read turned out to be fascinating yet disturbing. Some quotes which stood out:
quote:
It’s tempting to think of sacred tombs and ancient monuments as our best window into other cultures. But archaeologists have long known that if you really want to understand a civilization, to know its people’s passions, weaknesses, and daily rituals, look no further than their garbage.(...)In the U.S., the most wasteful country per capita, each citizen throws away an average of 7.1 pounds per day, according to garbage guru Edward Humes. So what place could be better to study the impact of this onslaught than New York City, which generates nearly 22 million pounds of household waste every day?(...)

So I began to think of the entire planet-at-large. The vast plastic dump in the pacific ocean. The places that each individual metropolis globally puts their garbage. Forget Jesus and unclean animals! This was a current problem that most people are taught to ignore. We somehow think that when we throw stuff away it magically disappears.
Here in the US we have only recently have been tightening our laws regarding proper disposal. What about Mexico City? Singapore? The 50 largest metropolises globally? Why is the Pacific Ocean said to now be "dead"?
Q: Why don’t people know where their trash goes?
A: Well, are they aware of where their water comes from? Or where their electricity starts? Or where their computer components were made? We are profoundly connected across the globe to people we will never know, and we’re profoundly connected regionally by the path of our discards and the material flow of bringing those things into our life. But I think we’ve been taught to ignore those kinds of things. I don’t mean that we learned it in school, but as a cultural assumption that underlies contemporary life, those are not our concerns.
So in conclusion, the issue goes far deeper than Jesus declaring pork clean or dirty. The issue goes to the very heart of our social intelligence or lack thereof.
Edited by Phat, : sub title

Chance as a real force is a myth. It has no basis in reality and no place in scientific inquiry. For science and philosophy to continue to advance in knowledge, chance must be demythologized once and for all. —RC Sproul
"A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." —Mark Twain "
~"If that's not sufficient for you go soak your head."~Faith
You can "get answers" by watching the ducks. That doesn't mean the answers are coming from them.~Ringo
Subjectivism may very well undermine Christianity.
In the same way that "allowing people to choose what they want to be when they grow up" undermines communism.
~Stile

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Phat
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Message 2 of 12 (847020)
01-15-2019 5:03 PM
Reply to: Message 1 by Phat
01-15-2019 8:09 AM


Re: Living Behind A Silly Wall From Reality
China is a major importer of the worlds refuse. Im wondering how long a nation of a billion people will be a solution rather than a problem.

Chance as a real force is a myth. It has no basis in reality and no place in scientific inquiry. For science and philosophy to continue to advance in knowledge, chance must be demythologized once and for all. —RC Sproul
"A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." —Mark Twain "
~"If that's not sufficient for you go soak your head."~Faith
You can "get answers" by watching the ducks. That doesn't mean the answers are coming from them.~Ringo
Subjectivism may very well undermine Christianity.
In the same way that "allowing people to choose what they want to be when they grow up" undermines communism.
~Stile

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Phat
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Message 4 of 12 (847034)
01-16-2019 6:26 AM
Reply to: Message 3 by frako
01-16-2019 3:31 AM


Re: Living Behind A Silly Wall From Reality
Is there any sort of trash/garbage problem in Slovenia? What does Europe do with its trash?

Chance as a real force is a myth. It has no basis in reality and no place in scientific inquiry. For science and philosophy to continue to advance in knowledge, chance must be demythologized once and for all. —RC Sproul
"A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." —Mark Twain "
~"If that's not sufficient for you go soak your head."~Faith
You can "get answers" by watching the ducks. That doesn't mean the answers are coming from them.~Ringo
Subjectivism may very well undermine Christianity.
In the same way that "allowing people to choose what they want to be when they grow up" undermines communism.
~Stile

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Phat
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Message 6 of 12 (847042)
01-16-2019 11:53 AM
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01-16-2019 10:08 AM


Re: Living Behind A Silly Wall From Reality
I don't know whether to deny pessimism and embrace optimism or whether I should simply accept reality. And reality says that there are some huge challenges for the human race in the next 50 years. The solutions will have to be far more creative and will need to make a big impact. Money alone won't fix these problems. Consensus and global resolve are needed...ironically one of the main things the fundamentalist Christians fear...a one world consensus and solution.
Is there any chance they may be right? Maybe...but it is clear that we dont have a choice. The world needs to attempt to unite to solve these problems before millions die....either by wars, disease,, or some other as yet unknown event.
I wonder what sacrifices will have to be made?
Edited by Phat, : No reason given.

Chance as a real force is a myth. It has no basis in reality and no place in scientific inquiry. For science and philosophy to continue to advance in knowledge, chance must be demythologized once and for all. —RC Sproul
"A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." —Mark Twain "
~"If that's not sufficient for you go soak your head."~Faith
You can "get answers" by watching the ducks. That doesn't mean the answers are coming from them.~Ringo
Subjectivism may very well undermine Christianity.
In the same way that "allowing people to choose what they want to be when they grow up" undermines communism.
~Stile

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Phat
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Message 11 of 12 (847053)
01-16-2019 5:11 PM
Reply to: Message 8 by RAZD
01-16-2019 1:10 PM


Re: Living Behind A Silly Wall From Reality
RAZD writes:
The human race is doomed to die of willful ignorance.
If you had your life to live over again, would you do anything different? If you had a global soapbox and could say one message for humans, what would your message be?

Chance as a real force is a myth. It has no basis in reality and no place in scientific inquiry. For science and philosophy to continue to advance in knowledge, chance must be demythologized once and for all. —RC Sproul
"A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." —Mark Twain "
~"If that's not sufficient for you go soak your head."~Faith
You can "get answers" by watching the ducks. That doesn't mean the answers are coming from them.~Ringo
Subjectivism may very well undermine Christianity.
In the same way that "allowing people to choose what they want to be when they grow up" undermines communism.
~Stile

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