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Tangle
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Message 32 of 88 (847073)
01-17-2019 12:56 PM
Reply to: Message 30 by candle2
01-17-2019 12:17 PM


Re: What Would Jesus Declare In 2019?
Candle2 writes:
At least you admit that the meat mentioned is contaminated.
Meat is not generally contaminated.

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Message 34 of 88 (847093)
01-18-2019 3:36 AM
Reply to: Message 33 by AZPaul3
01-17-2019 7:17 PM


Re: What Would Jesus Declare In 2019?
AZP writes:
I think "contaminated" in this case referrers to some religious sense of unclean rather than any physical contamination from microbes/molecular agents.
In the ancient world there were major issues with pork and other meats being difficult to keep from contaminants both of the animal and of the meat after slaughter. The resulting dietary restrictions were quite prudent at the time and should surprise no one that they made their way into the prevailing religious memes in a population.
Maybe, I think it more likely that it was merely ritual and control.
In any case this idiot *is* saying that some animals are actually contaminated.
Candle2 writes:
Some animals are clean and fit, designed for human consumption.
Some animals are contaminated/polluted, not for human consumption.
Therefore, not all animals are to be eaten be humans
Edited by Tangle, : No reason given.

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Faith is the denial of observation so that Belief can be preserved."
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Message 36 of 88 (847102)
01-18-2019 7:51 AM
Reply to: Message 35 by AZPaul3
01-18-2019 6:51 AM


Re: What Would Jesus Declare In 2019?
AZP writes:
But the priests did sometimes try to do some good for their charges. Just like Fishy Fridays for Catholics.
Don't think so, it's just another ritual as a control function - a weekly remider of who's boss. This is a quote from a random Catholic site.
quote:
Catholics are required to abstain from eating meat on Ash Wednesday and each Friday in Lent (including Good Friday). Fish is often used as a substitute for meat-based meals. But of course, with the popularity of vegetarian and vegan diets, there are many other solutions besides fish.
Historically, since about the second century of Christianity, Christians abstained from eating meat on Fridays as a kind of sacrifice and reminder that acknowledged Jesus’ sacrifice on the Cross, which we commemorate on Good Friday. It’s also why we proclaim the sorrowful mysteries of the rosary on Friday. About a century or two later, Lent came into being, as a season of intense preparation for Easter, so the fasting and abstinence was extended to much of Lent.
Wiki
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Current practice of fast and abstinence is regulated by Canons 1250—1253 of the 1983 code. They specify that all Fridays throughout the year, and the time of Lent are penitential times throughout the entire Church. All adults (those who have attained the 'age of majority', which is 18 years in canon law) are bound by law to fast on Ash Wednesday and Good Friday until the beginning of their sixtieth year. All persons who have completed their fourteenth year are bound by the law of abstinence on all Fridays unless they are solemnities, and again on Ash Wednesday; but in practice this requirement has been greatly reduced by the Episcopal Conferences because under Canon 1253, it is these Conferences that have the authority to set down the local norms for fasting and abstinence in their territories. (However, the precept to both fast and abstain on Ash Wednesday and Good Friday is usually not dispensed from.)
Absent any specification of the nature of "fasting" in the current Canon Law, the traditional definition is obviously applicable here which is that on the days of mandatory fasting, Catholics may eat only one full meal during the day. Additionally, they may eat up to two small meals or snacks, known as "collations". Church requirements on fasting only relate to solid food, not to drink, so Church law does not restrict the amount of water or other beverages — even alcoholic drinks — which may be consumed.

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"Science adjusts it's views based on what's observed.
Faith is the denial of observation so that Belief can be preserved."
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Tangle
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Message 46 of 88 (847225)
01-19-2019 1:57 PM
Reply to: Message 45 by candle2
01-19-2019 1:37 PM


Re: What Would Jesus Declare In 2019?
Candle2 writes:
Minchin is a fool.
Bad start.
Evolution has nothing to do with science. It is simply a false belief system. One in which adherents cling to regardless of evidence.
Getting worse.
When Dr. Schwierter discovered soft tissue in a (supposedly) 75,000,000 year old T-Rex fossil. It sent the evolutionist community into a frenzy.
No it didn't. And the name is Schweitzer in case you want to google some actual facts instead of the bollocks you've swallowed from you backward friends.
They would not accept that the fossil had pliable veins, muscle, and collagen, even though nearly two dozen tests had been performed on it. Many of these so-called open-minded evolutionists refused to believe what they were observing. Some are on tecord as saying that they would never change their world view, regardless of the evidence
Instead of accepting the obvious ( that Dinos are only thousands of years old) they insist that iron preserved the soft tissue.
Why don't you read some of the actual science about this instead of regurgitating this crap?
C14, which has a half life of roughly 5730 years, should have no detectable amount on fossils more than 75,000 years old. Yet, what we observe is thousands of fossils with significant amounts of C14 present. Now there are many fossils with soft tissue (squishy) in them.
Still more crap.
There are multiple dozens of eyewitnesse accounts of dino sightings. Alexander the Great; Marco Polo; Pliny; St. Georgee; and, Herodotus are just a few of reputable humans who have seen Dinos; yet, open-minded evolutionists reject these observations.
Ffs
Reliefs, etchings, and drawings of Dinos on pottery, rocks, an caves are also rejected by them, even though they were done before science even knew what Dinos look like
What we observe is that humans produce humans; dogs produce dogs; dolphins produce dolphins; and, oak trees produce oak trees.
In other words, kind produce same kind. Anything else is just wishful thinkin. And, wishful thinking is exactly what evolutionists base their views on.
Look, you're just another crazy fundy that drifts in here every so often and dump this crap into our laps like we've never heard it all before and refuted it a thousand times. Traditionally you bugger off after a couple more posts. Prove that you're different by picking just one of the above errors, start a thread on it and we'll explain as pleasantly as we can why your wrong.
You could start right here by defending your rediculous statement that our food is contaminated.

Je suis Charlie. Je suis Ahmed. Je suis Juif. Je suis Parisien. I am Mancunian. I am Brum. I am London.I am Finland. Soy Barcelona
"Life, don't talk to me about life" - Marvin the Paranoid Android
"Science adjusts it's views based on what's observed.
Faith is the denial of observation so that Belief can be preserved."
- Tim Minchin, in his beat poem, Storm.

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Message 56 of 88 (847259)
01-20-2019 3:36 AM
Reply to: Message 51 by candle2
01-19-2019 6:43 PM


Re: What Would Jesus Declare In 2019?
candle2 writes:
Your only defense is to deny, deny, deny.
Well here it comes again. Our food is not contaminated.
Now, without quoting crap from you little book, demonstrate how my Sunday joint is not suitable for my consumption.
I am now used to evolutionists doing this.
I do not work in the biological sciences sector.

Je suis Charlie. Je suis Ahmed. Je suis Juif. Je suis Parisien. I am Mancunian. I am Brum. I am London.I am Finland. Soy Barcelona
"Life, don't talk to me about life" - Marvin the Paranoid Android
"Science adjusts it's views based on what's observed.
Faith is the denial of observation so that Belief can be preserved."
- Tim Minchin, in his beat poem, Storm.

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Message 66 of 88 (847353)
01-21-2019 2:25 PM
Reply to: Message 62 by candle2
01-21-2019 9:54 AM


Re: What Would Jesus Declare In 2019?
candle2 writes:
Dr. Schweitzer was shocked to discover soft tissue inside a T-Rex fossil.
Sigh. She wasn't shocked. That's just cheap journalism. She was probably surprised and excited - and probably very doubtful and expected contamination.
Not wanting to accept what she was observing she performed nearly two dozen tests on the Foster’s fossil.However, she still clings to her misguided world view. And so do the other evolutionists who refuse to believe what they observe. No amount of evidence/proof will change their minds.
'Evololutionists' acceot what their observation show. They don't need to believe anything. They haven't changed their mind because finding what they found doesn't change evolutionary theory. It's a very exciting finding.
Since Mary Schweitzer's soft tissue discovery, other fossils are being found with soft tissue.
Yes, exciting isn't it? Jurassic Park here we go.
What we observe is that "kind produce kind." Nothing contrary to this has ever been observed.
That's correct and - silly biblical names aside - is exacyly what the ToE says; species don't breed different species.
There's a fairly fundamental principle involved here, if you want to argue with science you must first understand the science.
On the plus side at least you can now spell the scientist's name. If you want to know how the tissue was preserved, this is the explanation.
Controversial T. Rex Soft Tissue Find Finally Explained | Live Science
Now, when are you going to provide your evidence to support your claim that the meat we eat is contaminated?

Je suis Charlie. Je suis Ahmed. Je suis Juif. Je suis Parisien. I am Mancunian. I am Brum. I am London.I am Finland. Soy Barcelona
"Life, don't talk to me about life" - Marvin the Paranoid Android
"Science adjusts it's views based on what's observed.
Faith is the denial of observation so that Belief can be preserved."
- Tim Minchin, in his beat poem, Storm.

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Message 83 of 88 (847484)
01-23-2019 1:17 PM
Reply to: Message 78 by candle2
01-23-2019 10:42 AM


Re: What Would Jesus Declare In 2019?
candle2 writes:
Absolutely Dr. S was shocked. She was stunned beyond belief,
Crap, provide your evidence.
which is why she ran so many tests on the fossil.
She ran so many tests because it was a totally new and unexpected discovery. It's what science does when it gets surprising results, it tests them, and re-tests them. A scientist's career depends on it.
Eventually (after denying what she was observing time and time and time again) she was forced to admit her findings.
Eventually after convincing herself that the findings were correct, she published her results and laid herself open to the entire scientific community proving her wrong. Like ALL scientists she would have been utterly overjoyed when she made the discovery and was proven correct. It will be the highlight of her scientific career.
The evolutionist community was also forced to admit that soft tissue was present in the fossil.
It sure was - it was repeatable evidence.
But, instead of utilizing common sense and admitting the obvious (that the fossil was just a few thousand years old), they come up with explanations that make them look stupid.
Woah there boy! The evidence of soft tissue in dinosaur bones does not conflict with the age of dinosaurs. That evidence is different and comprehensive. You didn't read the explanation of why the soft tissue survived did you?
Also, coal formations found in Rock strata, dated (by these same fools) to be hundreds of millions of year old, contained significant amount of Carbon-14.
Isn't it telling that these same fools date Rock strata by the fossil found in them, and they date the fossil by the rocks they are found in. Talk about circular reasoning.
This has also been refuted many, many times and I'm not doing it again here as you're using these old nonsenses to cover for your continued lack of answers on the thread your posting in which is about contaminated food. If you wish to talk about it, open another thread and we'll put you straight.
In the meantime, stick to the subject here and provide your evidence for the claim that our food is contaminated.

Je suis Charlie. Je suis Ahmed. Je suis Juif. Je suis Parisien. I am Mancunian. I am Brum. I am London.I am Finland. Soy Barcelona
"Life, don't talk to me about life" - Marvin the Paranoid Android
"Science adjusts it's views based on what's observed.
Faith is the denial of observation so that Belief can be preserved."
- Tim Minchin, in his beat poem, Storm.

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