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Topic: Tribute Thread For the Recently Raptured Faith
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ringo
Member (Idle past 437 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: 03-23-2005
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Message 1467 of 1677 (847193)
01-19-2019 11:03 AM
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Reply to: Message 1464 by Faith
01-19-2019 10:51 AM
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Re: experience with demon-possessed man
Faith writes: You missed what I said in Message 1417 where I described an occasion when a pastor asked the whole congregation to face east and speak in our tongues, which we did, and the room was full of babbling tongues. What "collusion" could there possibly be when we all have a different "rtongue?"
You're kidding, right? The pastor told them to speak in tongues and they did. If he told them to sing, they would sing. If it happened spontaneously, without anybody being told what to do, that would be different.
Faith writes: And anybody who has ever seen Tourette's knows this is nothing like Tourette's.
I mentioned it because it is similar.
And our geese will blot out the sun.
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ringo
Member (Idle past 437 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: 03-23-2005
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Message 1468 of 1677 (847194)
01-19-2019 11:04 AM
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Reply to: Message 1465 by Faith
01-19-2019 10:52 AM
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Re: experience with demon-possessed man
Faith writes: You keep failing to give even the slightest reasonable alternative explanation.
The reasonable explanations aren't meant to convince you. They're meant to show reasonable people how unreasonable you are.
And our geese will blot out the sun.
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ringo
Member (Idle past 437 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: 03-23-2005
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Message 1470 of 1677 (847198)
01-19-2019 11:15 AM
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Reply to: Message 1469 by Faith
01-19-2019 11:12 AM
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Re: experience with demon-possessed man
Faith writes: I haven't seen even a shadow of a reasonable explanation from you yet.
You wouldn't recognize a reasonable explanation if it sat down beside you in church.
And our geese will blot out the sun.
| This message is a reply to: | | | Message 1469 by Faith, posted 01-19-2019 11:12 AM | | Faith has replied |
| Replies to this message: | | | Message 1471 by Faith, posted 01-19-2019 11:18 AM | | ringo has replied |
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ringo
Member (Idle past 437 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: 03-23-2005
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Message 1472 of 1677 (847203)
01-19-2019 11:27 AM
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Reply to: Message 1471 by Faith
01-19-2019 11:18 AM
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Re: experience with demon-possessed man
Faith writes: Na, that's you who wouldn't recognize it.
Yes, Napoleon, everybody is crazy but you.
And our geese will blot out the sun.
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| Replies to this message: | | | Message 1474 by Faith, posted 01-19-2019 11:30 AM | | ringo has replied |
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ringo
Member (Idle past 437 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: 03-23-2005
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Message 1475 of 1677 (847206)
01-19-2019 11:31 AM
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Reply to: Message 1473 by Faith
01-19-2019 11:27 AM
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Re: No comparison with Tourette's
Faith writes: Tourette's comes over a person suddenly and can't be controlled...
Just like speaking in tongues.
Faith writes: Tongues speaking can be started and stopped by the speaker, it is completely within our control.
That is false.
And our geese will blot out the sun.
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ringo
Member (Idle past 437 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: 03-23-2005
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Message 1476 of 1677 (847207)
01-19-2019 11:32 AM
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Reply to: Message 1474 by Faith
01-19-2019 11:30 AM
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Re: experience with demon-possessed man
Faith writes: Well, you are anyway.
So you claim to be "reasonable" but all you have is schoolyard taunts.
And our geese will blot out the sun.
| This message is a reply to: | | | Message 1474 by Faith, posted 01-19-2019 11:30 AM | | Faith has replied |
| Replies to this message: | | | Message 1478 by Faith, posted 01-19-2019 11:34 AM | | ringo has replied |
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ringo
Member (Idle past 437 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: 03-23-2005
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Message 1479 of 1677 (847210)
01-19-2019 11:37 AM
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Reply to: Message 1477 by Faith
01-19-2019 11:33 AM
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Re: No comparison with Tourette's
Faith writes: No it is not false, I had the "gift" and I know it is wholly within the control of the person who has it.
You have one example. I have dozens. And you admit that you don't believe your "gift' was real. I believe speaking in tongues is real; it's a function of mind - and it is, from dozens of examples, very similar to Tourette. It is involuntary. The speaker hardly knows that it happened.
And our geese will blot out the sun.
| This message is a reply to: | | | Message 1477 by Faith, posted 01-19-2019 11:33 AM | | Faith has replied |
| Replies to this message: | | | Message 1481 by Faith, posted 01-19-2019 11:39 AM | | ringo has replied |
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ringo
Member (Idle past 437 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: 03-23-2005
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Message 1480 of 1677 (847211)
01-19-2019 11:38 AM
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Reply to: Message 1478 by Faith
01-19-2019 11:34 AM
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Re: experience with demon-possessed man
Faith writes: Well, all you have are silly assertions with no evidence.
There is evidence of mental illness. There is no evidence of spooks.
And our geese will blot out the sun.
| This message is a reply to: | | | Message 1478 by Faith, posted 01-19-2019 11:34 AM | | Faith has replied |
| Replies to this message: | | | Message 1482 by Faith, posted 01-19-2019 11:40 AM | | ringo has replied |
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ringo
Member (Idle past 437 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: 03-23-2005
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Message 1483 of 1677 (847214)
01-19-2019 11:46 AM
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Reply to: Message 1481 by Faith
01-19-2019 11:39 AM
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Re: No comparison with Tourette's
Faith writes: I know lots of people who speak in tongues and it is not like Tourette's.
So do I, and it is. 
And our geese will blot out the sun.
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ringo
Member (Idle past 437 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: 03-23-2005
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Message 1484 of 1677 (847215)
01-19-2019 11:47 AM
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Reply to: Message 1482 by Faith
01-19-2019 11:40 AM
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Re: experience with demon-possessed man
Faith writes: There's lots of mental illness that is misdiagnosed.
And undiagnosed.
And our geese will blot out the sun.
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ringo
Member (Idle past 437 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: 03-23-2005
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Message 1488 of 1677 (847221)
01-19-2019 1:03 PM
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Reply to: Message 1485 by Phat
01-19-2019 12:48 PM
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Re: experience with demon-possessed man
Phat writes: You want me to throw away all of my conclusions...
Yes, that's how reasonable thinking works. You start without conclusions and let the evidence lead you to them.
Phat writes: ...in the name of a form of rationality backed by NOTHING.
WHAT? I want you to use a form of rationality that's based on EVERYTHING we know.
And our geese will blot out the sun.
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ringo
Member (Idle past 437 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: 03-23-2005
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Message 1492 of 1677 (847228)
01-19-2019 3:26 PM
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Reply to: Message 1491 by Phat
01-19-2019 2:44 PM
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Re: No comparison with Tourette's
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ringo
Member (Idle past 437 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: 03-23-2005
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Message 1513 of 1677 (847282)
01-20-2019 1:18 PM
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Reply to: Message 1493 by Phat
01-19-2019 4:04 PM
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Re: A Philosophical Rabbit Trail
Phat writes: Cant read that preview...
You should be able to tell from the title in the link that the similarities are not something I made up.
Phat writes: All I'm saying is that tongues can be controlled.
As I learned it, "speaking in tongues" is supposed to be the Holy Spirit speaking through you, so no, I don't see how you could possibly be in control of the Holy Spirit.
Phat writes: If I died doing the right thing, what good would it do me?
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Mark 8:36 For what shall it profit a man, if he shall gain the whole world, and lose his own soul?
As usual, you're thinking backwards. Doing the right thing is what saves your soul.
Phat writes: So I might ask why eternal life is such a silly concept to chase?
Maybe you're misunderstanding what eternal life is.
And our geese will blot out the sun.
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ringo
Member (Idle past 437 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: 03-23-2005
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Message 1514 of 1677 (847283)
01-20-2019 1:21 PM
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Reply to: Message 1494 by Faith
01-19-2019 5:16 PM
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Re: No comparison with Tourette's
Faith writes: I bet you don't even know what is meant by the supposed "structural similarities."
Do you?
Faith writes: The speaker can control when the tongues speaking starts and when it stops....
As I told Phat, speaking in tongues is supposedly the Holy Spirit speaking through you, so no, you can't control the Holy Spirit.
And our geese will blot out the sun.
| This message is a reply to: | | | Message 1494 by Faith, posted 01-19-2019 5:16 PM | | Faith has replied |
| Replies to this message: | | | Message 1524 by Faith, posted 01-20-2019 7:19 PM | | ringo has replied |
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ringo
Member (Idle past 437 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: 03-23-2005
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Message 1516 of 1677 (847285)
01-20-2019 1:27 PM
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Reply to: Message 1508 by Phat
01-20-2019 9:41 AM
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Re: experience with demon-possessed man
Phat writes: Perhaps they dont want to be known.
Bigfoot doesn't want to be known. Leprechauns don't want to be known. The Loch Ness Monster doesn't want to be known. The earth doesn't want you to know it's flat so it pretends to be round. The moon doesn't want you to know it's made of green cheese, so it spits up bogus "rocks" for astronauts to find. You know that's a silly argument. Why do you keep using it?
And our geese will blot out the sun.
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