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dwise1
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Message 541 of 1055 (847364)
01-21-2019 3:55 PM
Reply to: Message 539 by Percy
01-21-2019 2:55 PM


Re: Media silence on murders by illegals, and a couple of fake news reports too
But the evidence we do have says that illegal immigrants commit crimes at a lesser rate than Americans.

Maybe an analogy might start to get through to her (we can always dream, can't we?).

A stereotypical teenage infraction is/was to sneak into movie theaters to watch the movie for free. If they are caught, then they will be kicked out at the least and arrested or permanently banned at the worst. So if a person is in a theater illegally, he would be highly motivated to ensure that nobody notices him. The last thing that he would want to do would be to act in any manner that could draw attention to him, such as being loud and disruptive or picking fights. He would be highly motivated to act as the model movie viewer in every way.

Another analogy would be a real-life spy. The best cover for a spy would be a drab person, a nobody that nobody ever notices. Go in all flashy like Bond and you wouldn't last a day.

Similarly, if you're in a country illegally then you would want to avoid encounters with the authorities. You would not want to draw the attention of the police. You would follow the law and behave yourself all the time. You would even observe all traffic laws, especially the speed limits (hence driving slower than everybody else, a frequent irritant in Southern California -- we see it all the time).


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caffeine
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Message 542 of 1055 (847365)
01-21-2019 4:02 PM
Reply to: Message 539 by Percy
01-21-2019 2:55 PM


Re: Media silence on murders by illegals, and a couple of fake news reports too
Given that the story is still on the front pages of the Washington Post, the New York Times, the Chicago Tribune and the LA Times, the story has not died.

I can't help but feel that this is a problem. I haven't followed the details of this story so I don't know all the facts; but it appears to be a story about some children being mean to someone.

All this argument about whether the children really were mean or not seems to me to be missing the more important point - if this is a major story in serious, national newspapers; then you have a deeply dysfunctional press. Using longer words and more complex sentence structure to cover exactly the same sort of clickbait as a crappy, sensationalist shitrag does not make you a respectable newspaper.


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Message 543 of 1055 (847409)
01-22-2019 11:30 AM
Reply to: Message 537 by Phat
01-21-2019 2:41 PM


Re: Media silence on murders by illegals, and a couple of fake news reports too
Phat writes:

My advice for everyone? Listen to the other sides propaganda as well as your own.


Better yet, don't listen to propaganda at all. Two wrongs don't make a right. You won't find the truth by comparing two falsehoods.

Phat writes:

There also are not a certain group of broadcasters that have truth while the others are fake.


Yes there is. They're called "journalists".

And our geese will blot out the sun.

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JonF
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Message 544 of 1055 (847418)
01-22-2019 1:19 PM


Trump's 'Compromise' Guts Asylum Laws

quote:
Senator Mitch McConnell conveniently had an 1,100 page bill waiting after Donald Trump's Saturday announcement that he might deign to trade temporary DACA protections for permanent barriers at the border. It turns out there was more. There's always more

Holy jumpin' Jesus on a pogo stick! Has anyone ever proposed a more hateful or prima facie illegal bill?

quote:
Here's how the "compromise" bill shreds our asylum laws:

1. Bans asylum for all Central American Minors (including those who come with parents!), unless the minor applies in their country.
2. Limits applications to 50k yearly and grants to 15k yearly.
3. Eliminates all review

And more! The DHS procedure for granting asylum would ALSO require a determination that granting asylum was "in the national interest," making asylum even HARDER



  
Faith
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Message 545 of 1055 (847459)
01-23-2019 4:37 AM
Reply to: Message 542 by caffeine
01-21-2019 4:02 PM


Dangerous media smears of innocent boys
All this argument about whether the children really were mean or not seems to me to be missing the more important point - if this is a major story in serious, national newspapers; then you have a deeply dysfunctional press.

I really don't know what point you are trying to make here. I would agree if your point is that they are making a big deal out of what is just a politically correct attack on the Left's favorite targets: white male Catholics at a Pro Life rally wearing MAGA hats. It's all fake news aimed at making the kids look bad. The media bought the story of the old Indian guy hook line and sinker, in which he made the kids out to be aggressors threatening him, but when you see the video it's clear that he approached them and was pounding his drum right in the face of one of them. That kid is smiling in a way that the media called a "smirk" and it could look like a smirk except that the kid said he was just trying to smile to show he wasn't a threat.

According to the kids they were standing at the Lincoln Memorial as they do every year after the Pro Life event, waiting for their buses to take them home. There were these two other groups nearby, a bunch of black "Hebrew Israelites" who shouted foul names at the boys, and the Native American group led by this Nathan Phillips who walked toward the kids and pounded his drum in the face of one of them. He claimed the boys were threatening and were chanting "Build the wall." According to the boys they started doing their school cheers and chants to try to diffuse the situation, but otherwise didn't engage with the other groups and didn't say "Build the wall." They say you have to watch the whole video to get the true story and I haven't done that yet but I'm posting it below for reference, along with Tucker Carlson's report.

Some stories made the kids out to be privileged though later reports describe Covington school as middle class and most of the parents as working class. The whole thing seems to have been completely fake news against a completely innocent group of kids.

Since this story came out depicting them as racist aggressors against an elderly Native American they have been receiving some pretty violent death threats. But all they were doing was standing at the memorial waiting for their bus and the other groups were the aggressive ones, the "Israelites" with some pretty vicious racist namecalling, and the Native American man who had moved toward them beating his drum right in the one kid's face, and then telling a story of absolute total garbage lies making the kids out to be the aggressors.

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ABE: I just found this following video which makes the events clearer. Turns out that Black Israelites were yelling at the Native Americans, not at the boys, at least at first, then they start calling the boys vile names.

Listen at least to the last few minutes, starting at 19:33 or so:

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Faith
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Message 546 of 1055 (847460)
01-23-2019 6:10 AM


Questioning the Cohen story of Trump's supposed lying
Hannity seems to have the most thorough coverage of the story: the first few minutes lay it out.

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Phat
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Message 547 of 1055 (847461)
01-23-2019 7:30 AM
Reply to: Message 546 by Faith
01-23-2019 6:10 AM


Re: Questioning the Cohen story of Trump's supposed lying
Hannity is a conservative news source but he does throw down the gauntlet to these other media sources... I stand by my observation that both sides compete for business and embellish stories at times. I have argued that our culture is in a spiritual war and i believe that much bigger real actual news will overshadow this gossip fest that ee have now. I am starting a 5 day fast. My mind and body and soul need to be clear and strong. No medicine on earth can help me any better at this point.

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Chance as a real force is a myth. It has no basis in reality and no place in scientific inquiry. For science and philosophy to continue to advance in knowledge, chance must be demythologized once and for all. –RC Sproul
"A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." –Mark Twain "
~"If that's not sufficient for you go soak your head."~Faith

You can "get answers" by watching the ducks. That doesn't mean the answers are coming from them.~Ringo

Subjectivism may very well undermine Christianity.
In the same way that "allowing people to choose what they want to be when they grow up" undermines communism.
~Stile


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Phat
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Message 548 of 1055 (847462)
01-23-2019 7:38 AM
Reply to: Message 545 by Faith
01-23-2019 4:37 AM


Re: Dangerous media smears of innocent boys
When scripture says that kingdom will rise against kingdom it means the names of countries. US vs Iran for example. When it says nation will arise against nation it means ethnic groups of people...caucasian vs black or native american or Jewish or Muslim for example. And it is happening.

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Chance as a real force is a myth. It has no basis in reality and no place in scientific inquiry. For science and philosophy to continue to advance in knowledge, chance must be demythologized once and for all. –RC Sproul
"A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." –Mark Twain "
~"If that's not sufficient for you go soak your head."~Faith

You can "get answers" by watching the ducks. That doesn't mean the answers are coming from them.~Ringo

Subjectivism may very well undermine Christianity.
In the same way that "allowing people to choose what they want to be when they grow up" undermines communism.
~Stile


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Theodoric
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Message 549 of 1055 (847464)
01-23-2019 8:44 AM
Reply to: Message 545 by Faith
01-23-2019 4:37 AM


Re: Dangerous media smears of innocent boys
They are a bunch of rich, white entitled assholes. They need to learn a little about the actual history of this country. The parts about hate, discrimination and the genocide of the Native American people. Maybe you approve of small pox blankets and the other ways the people and government knowingly killed millions of indigenous people?

I have been dealing with rich white entitled assholes my whole life. Sean, Tucker and the rest of the faux noise propagandists are what they become when they grow up.


Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts

"God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness.

If your viewpoint has merits and facts to back it up why would you have to lie?


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Faith
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Message 550 of 1055 (847479)
01-23-2019 1:04 PM
Reply to: Message 549 by Theodoric
01-23-2019 8:44 AM


Re: Dangerous media smears of innocent boys
You're a perfect example of the mentality that attacked these innocent kids. You don't care about facts, all that matters is that they're white kids and a few of them are wearing MAGA hats. The fact that they were just standing there minding their own business waiting for their bus doesn't matter to you. The fact that the old Indian guy made up a pretty complicated accusation of them out of whole cloth that is contradicted by the video doesn't matter at all to you. I guess it's fine with you that their school had to be closed because of all the death threats against them brought about by the lying fascist Leftist propaganda?

And what do you know about what they've been taught about Native Americans? These days every history but western civilization is emphasized in every school in the country.

You're a good example of how the Left just loves lies and hates people for symbolic reasons and couldn't care less about the truth.

They aren't even anywhere near rich, they've got working class parents. Hannity also didn't grow up rich. I don't know about Tucker Carlson. Where do you get this stuff? Obviously out of the big PC Leftist grab bag of lies for the sake of character assassination and hatred of decent innocent people.

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He who surrenders the first page of his Bible surrenders all. --John William Burgon, Inspiration and Interpretation, Sermon II.

2Cr 10:4-5 (For the weapons of our warfare [are] not carnal, but mighty through God to the pulling down of strong holds;) Casting down imaginations, and every high thing that exalteth itself against the knowledge of God...

Political Correctness is Cultural Marxism

If fascism comes to America it will be in the form of liberalism -Ronald Reagan


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JonF
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Message 551 of 1055 (847480)
01-23-2019 1:08 PM
Reply to: Message 550 by Faith
01-23-2019 1:04 PM


Re: Dangerous media smears of innocent boys
They were not standing there minding their own business. They were taunting the lack Hebrew Israelites (who started the taunting) and the native American.

The situation is not as it was initially portrayed, but the kids are still assholes.


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Faith
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Message 552 of 1055 (847482)
01-23-2019 1:12 PM
Reply to: Message 551 by JonF
01-23-2019 1:08 PM


Re: Dangerous media smears of innocent boys
That is a lie. They taunted NOBODY. They said NOTHING against ANYBODY. They did their school chants to drown out the hate from the Black Israelites, something they ALWAYS do while waiting for their busses after this event anyway. THEY ARE ABSOLUTELY INNOCENT AND VICTIMS OF ALL THAT LYING ABUSE. Did you bother to watch any of the videos? The last one follows the timeline very carefully with clips from the video of the event. You just want to believe the lies just as the media do.

If anything shows the sheer evil of the Leftist media it is their lying accounts of this event targeting young teenagers doing absolutely nothing to deserve any of it.

I INCLUDED THE ENTIRE VIDEO OF THE EVENT IN Message 545, SO CAN YOU POINT OUT WHERE THE KIDS SUPPOSEDLY "TAUNTED" ANYONE?

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Faith
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Message 553 of 1055 (847486)
01-23-2019 1:36 PM
Reply to: Message 547 by Phat
01-23-2019 7:30 AM


Re: Questioning the Cohen story of Trump's supposed lying
I would like to believe that there are facts and errors in equal part on both sides, but that's not true. The media are dominated by Leftists who hate Trump and all Trump's supporters and never miss any opportunity to magnify a lie that supports their bias. The Right, such as Hannity, are put in the position of having to counter the Leftist lies, which they do very well, without the benefit of the automatic audience the Left has. If you want the truth, or at least the other side, you have to go out of your way to find it. Hannity, Mark Levin, Limbaugh, Savage, Ingraham, Larry Elder, Lars Larson, Bill Cunningham, Ben Shapiro, are a few you should listen to.
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JonF
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Message 554 of 1055 (847489)
01-23-2019 1:56 PM
Reply to: Message 552 by Faith
01-23-2019 1:12 PM


Re: Dangerous media smears of innocent boys
Their school chants, including tomahawk chops, were provocative and taunting.

But anything's OK as long as you're a Republican.

ABE I've seen lots of the videos. You pretend as if Mr. Sandman wasn't there. Have you seen the expression on the boy who was in his face?

Everyone knows the Black Hebrew Israelites are incorrigible assholes. The adult way to handle them is to ignore them or leave. The asshole way is to get down in the mud with them.

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Faith
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Message 555 of 1055 (847490)
01-23-2019 2:01 PM
Reply to: Message 554 by JonF
01-23-2019 1:56 PM


Re: Dangerous media smears of innocent boys
There were no "tomahawk chops." All that is media lies.
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