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Faith 
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Message 332 of 444 (846807)
01-11-2019 7:30 PM
Reply to: Message 331 by JonF
01-11-2019 7:22 PM


No, lots of these people arrive sick, and it's irrelevant how many are criminals, there are thousands of murders of Americans by illegals, and the gang called MS13? has committed many murders. And Americans will do those jobs if paid enough. Require that they be paid enough; exploiting the illegals and depriving Americans of jobs is corruption that needs to go. Aid to Central America goes to the corrupt governments and doesn't get to the people anyway.
WHAT iS WRONG WITH REQUIRING PEOPLE WHO WANT TO COME HERE TO MEET OUR STANDARDS AND DO IT RIGHT? WHAT'S WITH YOU CRAZY LAWLESS LEFTISTS?
ABE: Oh, and "asylum seekers" is a big fraud. They are coming here for work and the usual opportunities they don't have at home as they always have. The great majority are young men, the women and children get pushed in front of the cameras but it's the young men as usual who are coming for jobs. It's too bad their countries are so corrupt and don't care about their own people. Too bad they are ruled by bosses who want to keep their power and deprive the people. THAT's the problem. The US does take care of the people which is why everybody wants to come here. The US also does a LOT for the poor of the rest of the world, but there's a limit for pete's sake.
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Message 339 of 444 (846848)
01-12-2019 3:07 PM
Reply to: Message 337 by Percy
01-12-2019 12:28 PM


The true Right has true statistics, yours are manipulated by the Left.

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Faith 
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Message 340 of 444 (846849)
01-12-2019 3:10 PM
Reply to: Message 338 by JonF
01-12-2019 3:05 PM


I never said anything about how many are criminals. The relevant statistic is how many murders and other crimes have been committed by illegals.
About arriving sick, one of the children who died after arriving at the border, which inspired the Left to its usual manufactured "compassionate" America-hating tizzy, had the h1n1 virus. I doubt your claims about immunization in the home countries anyway. Why would their corrupt governments care about the health of the people anyway?
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Faith 
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Message 341 of 444 (846852)
01-12-2019 3:29 PM
Reply to: Message 337 by Percy
01-12-2019 12:28 PM


Turning our back on migrants is not the solution.
Since they are misled by various Leftist and Open Borders organizations into making the dangerous trek in the first place, if we had a secure system that kept them out unless they applied through legal channels, meaning from their own countries and not after they arrive here, they would not make the trek in the first place and we would not be put in the position of "turning our backs" on them. That's the doing of the Hate America Left, which is the main thing you are not getting from your media propaganda mill.
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\How many hundreds of thousands and millions of illegals do you think America can afford to have "compassion" toward? Are you thinking at all? Do you have any notion at all of what it's been costing us which is never mentioned by the Left since all they care about is getting fraudulent votes from uneducated people?
And again, why are you defending ILLEGAL entry no matter how many jobs there are? Drugs ARE coming in, criminals ARE coming in, people who become depending on our welfare system thanks to the idiot Left ARE coming in and all this is costing us billions, yes billions. Your "compassion" is nothing but a way of shutting up rational discussion while ignoring the corruption that exploits the cheap labor at the expense of Americans who would take the work if they got paid enough, and the political motivation that allows noncitizens to vote.. What about compassion for AMERICANS?
The US should work toward making the rest of the western hemisphere as desirable a place to live as the US - that's how we'll really solve the illegal immigration problem.
I agree and I'm sure it's being done to the best of anyone's ability, but what can you do with a sovereign government that does not share our values and only wants to stay in power no matter what? Financial aid only goes to the wrong people. The people themselves have to be able to create enterprises that build up their society. If the policies of their government don't make that possible what would you suggest as the solution?

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Faith 
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Message 343 of 444 (846855)
01-12-2019 3:36 PM
Reply to: Message 342 by AZPaul3
01-12-2019 3:32 PM


No, even the most prosperous nation in the world can't afford that, but I suppose you'd like to see us go totally bankrupt like all the left does, see more thousands of Americans become homeless and the whole nation become a third world swamp. Besides, I love my American neighbors enough not to do that to them even if it were possible, and Jesus does not ask that of us. Only an idiot would interpret Him as saying such a thing. A mentally deranged Leftist idiot with absolutely no sense of reality OR Christian teaching. There are unfortunately idiot "churches" that commit such evil in His name.
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Faith 
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Message 345 of 444 (846864)
01-12-2019 4:25 PM
Reply to: Message 344 by AZPaul3
01-12-2019 4:22 PM


Hey you should write your own Bible too, along with ringo. I'm very familiar with mine, but obviously you know SO much better, just as all the rest of the unbelievers here do. Have at it.
It should be pretty interesting when Jesus confronts all you know it alls with your misreadings of His teachings. One glance from Him should do it, shrink you down to size.
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Faith 
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Message 347 of 444 (846867)
01-12-2019 4:29 PM
Reply to: Message 346 by DrJones*
01-12-2019 4:28 PM


No, dear, the principle here is reality. I'm not required to do more than I'm able, and a nation is not required to trash its citizens for foreigners.

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Faith 
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Message 350 of 444 (846875)
01-12-2019 10:33 PM
Reply to: Message 348 by JonF
01-12-2019 5:05 PM


Is there any group outside of groups you're in that you don't hate?
I seriously think that such a question as that should be regarded as hate speech. It's a lie, it's slander, it shows a total inability to understand what I've been saying, and it reduces the conversation to typical PC ad hominem character assassination. Destructive leftist name calling like this should be soundly trounced by anyone with a brain or a sense of justice.
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Faith 
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Message 351 of 444 (846877)
01-13-2019 7:29 AM
Reply to: Message 349 by JonF
01-12-2019 7:50 PM


OK, you made the point about vaccination.
What I'd like to know is the causes of the extreme poverty and lack of education that drives people to the US. Government corruption is a sort of catchall I've had in mind but the reasons must be complex. If there's anyone who actually knows about these things I suppose we should start a new thread.

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Faith 
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Message 363 of 444 (847267)
01-20-2019 9:15 AM
Reply to: Message 361 by Pressie
01-18-2019 5:57 AM


Why so much poverty driving people to the US?
Faith writes:
What I'd like to know is the causes of the extreme poverty and lack of education that drives people to the US
Having more children than you can afford to feed and educate. That's about it.
Gosh, and here I expected a reasonable thoughtful assessment of the philosophical underpinnings of the society that discourages individual enterprise, or fails to provide employment opportunities at a living wage, and keeps people locked into a poverty mentality or something along those lines.
The US also has that problem.
It really is easy. If you can't feed them, don't breed them. Simpsons expression. Duh!
The US? Our birth rate has fallen way low recently, how could you say such a thing? If we go Third World, which may very well happen, it will be because of the destructive Leftist ideology that encourages a dependent entitlement mentality and deprives people of incentive and/or opportunity to change their lot and contribute to society.
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Faith 
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Message 369 of 444 (847304)
01-20-2019 7:22 PM
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01-20-2019 4:22 PM


Re: Im Gonna Need My Social Security
And don't forget Faith...both you and I need our social security. We need workers to pay into that system.
How about LEGAL workers, what's wrong with that?

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Faith 
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Message 370 of 444 (847305)
01-20-2019 7:24 PM
Reply to: Message 367 by Percy
01-20-2019 3:01 PM


Re: Why so much poverty driving people to the US?
Not to change the topic, but given Trump's wall-based shutdown I just wanted to interject that this is why we need to increase immigration.
Nobody is objecting to LEGAL immigration where we get to weed out the criminals and choose good workers, and require them to learn English and the basics of American institutions. The requirements for legal entry into the country used to include having a clear means of support also. Now they come in needing free stuff from us, stuff that rightfully belongs to American citizens not foreigners.
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Faith 
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Message 374 of 444 (847401)
01-22-2019 10:56 AM
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01-22-2019 6:41 AM


Re: Why so much poverty driving people to the US?
We certainly have problems and single parenting is certainly a cause of economic problems for us which may eventually contribute to bringing us down to Third World status, but I was asking about the entrenched poverty in the nations of Central and South America that drive people to the US. Their form of government or something in the cultural mindset is what I am thinking of.

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Faith 
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Message 377 of 444 (847485)
01-23-2019 1:27 PM
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01-23-2019 12:19 PM


Re: Why so much poverty driving people to the US?
If you stopped being exclusively buried in Leftist propaganda and listened to the truth from the other side for a change you wouldn't need me to explain such things to you. I don't take notes on what I hear on the radio but when I happen to have some verifiable information I'll post it here.
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Faith 
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Message 381 of 444 (860957)
08-14-2019 1:34 PM
Reply to: Message 62 by JoeT
12-17-2018 5:05 PM


Re: Respectful Offense
I have read GDR's post and your response over and over trying to make some sense of the strength of your response. I even went back a bit to see if you two had some history and saw that GDR is a pretty calm and reasonable poster, and has some interesting perspectives on things. What I cannot find is any reason for you to be so mean and hateful to somebody saying that they, through their church, try to help people. Am I missing something here?
No, you got it right, I was way out of line and rewrote the original post you quoted from Message 58 GDR's intentions are good, I just think there is danger in Islam that he isn't aware of.

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