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That's not Hillary saying anything. That's Cory Lewandowski claiming, without evidence or context., that Hillary said she wants a barrier. That proves nothing.But she may have said it. Which is nowhere near saying that she wants a $25 billion wall, plus high maintenance costs in remote terrain.Not to mention the severe problems with such a wall.BTW calling you a liar doesn't prove anyone is a liar. Noting your many pathetic and obvious lies does. "No right wing violence."I'm sorry for your difficulties.Edited by JonF, : No reason given.

OK, I won't check but I'll believe you. It's an insignificant point. In favor of a barrier and implacably opposed to Trump’s wall are consistent positions.

Some existing barriers on the Mexican border.Blocking vehicles: Others:

Hillary talked about a very different set of barriers than Trump does, no matter which of Trump's versions you consider. Therefore she has not been hypocritical or inconsistent.And your claim that: is 100% false (Democrats did not vote for any appropriations). I'd call it a lie if it weren't obviously a product of your abysmal ignorance and refusal to learn anything about reality.Trump may want a barrier to "keep people from crossing the border", but that's not possible. As I pointed out in Message 453, Homeland Security is more realistic:

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For its part, the DHS has argued that no wall is impenetrable and that by slowing migrants trying to breach it, Border Patrol agents are given time to respond. DHS spokeswoman Katie Waldman told NBC that the prototypes were only meant to inform the final design moving forward.

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And I predicted correctly:

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You should (but won't) reflect on that headline and the wide assortment of heavy-industry-strength cutting, boring, bending, and burning tools available in Mexico. Don't forget explosives.

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So any barrier will have to be studded with sensors. Which fail or are broken, requiring lots of maintenance people. The barrier itself will require maintenance. There will have to be lots of manned border patrol stations along all of the wall to react to incursions.It will have no effect on drug traffic, 95% of drugs are smuggled through ports of entry. It might reduce the already-historically-low number of illegal immigrants (the barriers Hillary voted for work), but boats and sophisticated tunnels will continue to exist. It could cut down on the number of asylum seekers if we continue to ignore international and US law in processing them.

So your claim that Democrats allocated more than $5 billion for barriers was false. "All you hear is Leftist propaganda that denies this reality." was false. "The was quuadrupally false. Democrats were all for a physical barrier in 2006 and recorded on other occasions as well. Of course it never happened, maybe that's because they don't really want it but they said they did and sounded a lot like Trump." is quadrupally false.Oh, let's not forget "Polls you'll never hear about show clearly that a majority of Americans want a wall" is half-true. We'll never hear about them because they don't exist you made them up. And you wonder why we say you lie.

IMHO whatever vague thoughts on Social Security and Medicare/Medicaid might cross Trump’s brain they're exclusively on the subject of what is in it for him. He probably remembers that cutting them would be very bad for his image.It's his henchmen who would take castration if it allowed them to kill those programs and transfer the money to the 1% (often including them). At least Ryan's gone into Wingnut Welfare.

Ah, but you're ignoring the double secret probation polls.

Trump’s supporters don't care about anything but abortion and hurting people they hate. As Crystal Minton of Florida, a Federal worker and Trump supporter, put it in regards to the shutdown: "He's hurting the wrong people".We all know he could commit any crime, no matter how heinous, and you'd enthusiastically support him. Edited by JonF, : No reason given.

The point is that his supporters think he should be hurting other Americans.

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"I am proud to shut down the government for border security," Trump told Senate Minority Leader Chuck Schumer and House Minority Leader Nancy Pelosi last week, in front of TV cameras at the White House.

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"Because the people of this country don't want criminals and people that have lots of problems and drugs pouring into our country. So I will take the mantle. I will be the one to shut it down. I'm not going to blame you for it," Trump continued, seemingly oblivious to the fact that he was taking ownership of a potentially costly and unpopular breakdown in federal government operations.

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Trump’s called for a shutdown 25 times. He owns this one. Last spring there was a deal for fixing DACA and $25 billion for the wall:he said he would sign it but he didn't. The Senate passed a clean non-wall funding bill 100 to 0; he said he would sign, until Coulter and Limbaugh vetoed it. The House passed the same bill and McConnell won't bring it up. Democratic leadership went to the White House and Trump walked out of the meeting. Maybe we'll see something this afternoon, but so far the shutdown is 100% Republican owned and they're the stonewallers.Nobody's blamed Trump for any liberal crimes. We only blame him for the crimes \he's committed. Such as suborning perjury, which he's almost certainly done.Don't claim there's no evidence of his crimes unless you have been briefed by the leakproof Mueller investigation.BTW the wall won't aff the drug traffic or illegal immigration, there are few if any criminal in the asylum seekers, and not much if any disease. Illegal immigrants are extremely few. The only crisis is the one Trump manufactured. Edited by JonF, : No reason given.Edited by JonF, : No reason given.Edited by JonF, : No reason given.

Here's a graph of border apprehensions from 1970 to 2017. 2018 was a very little bit higher than 2017. That's a trickle, not a flood.

Well, now we know. He proposed a compromise the Democrats will probably reject. (Remember they flipped the House running on NO WALL.)And of course Coulter and Malkin and Cernovich hate it because it's AMNESTY! (Not according to the dictionary definition, but it does stir up the troops.)Trump’s in a bad position. Anything other than "I get it all and you get nothing" the base won't accept. The Democrats won't accept WALL, or might if they get lots more than this in return.

And there is absolutely no evidence of those libels against liberals.But the there's plenty of evidence for all the items Percy listed. Several of them were done openly and proudly. The shutdown, for instance.

Americans murder Americans far more often per capita than do legal or illegal immigrants.Illegal immigrants do not get government aid.The alleged problems brought by illegal immigrants are mostly righr wing delusions, such as those listed above.

Josh Marshall has one of his even-handed and well thought out posts on that incident : Making Sense of the Phillips-Sandman Viral Video

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Over the last couple days I’ve been watching the unfolding reaction and re-reactions to the video of the confrontation between Native American activist and elder Nathan Phillips and a crowd of high school students from Covington, Kentucky on the steps of the Lincoln Memorial in Washington. The whole story is a good example of how we can react quickly to a zoomed in (both literally and metaphorically) video and miss a lot of what led up to it, as well as some key context. With that said, though, when you add all the context I’m not sure it’s all that different from what it looked like on the first go, despite some now saying new evidence and new videos changes everything.

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Saturday night and into Sunday I watched numerous different videos of the encounter itself and what led up to it. So let me give you my impression of what happened as well as links to videos and accounts which can help you come to your own conclusions.

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First, the initial videos could easily give the impression that Phillips (the man with the drum) was in the midst of marching in a protest when he was surrounded by a crowd of white teenagers in MAGA hats. That’s not what happened.

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Trump's 'Compromise' Guts Asylum Laws

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Senator Mitch McConnell conveniently had an 1,100 page bill waiting after Donald Trump's Saturday announcement that he might deign to trade temporary DACA protections for permanent barriers at the border. It turns out there was more. There's always more

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Holy jumpin' Jesus on a pogo stick! Has anyone ever proposed a more hateful or prima facie illegal bill?

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Here's how the "compromise" bill shreds our asylum laws:

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1. Bans asylum for all Central American Minors (including those who come with parents!), unless the minor applies in their country.
2. Limits applications to 50k yearly and grants to 15k yearly.
3. Eliminates all review

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And more! The DHS procedure for granting asylum would ALSO require a determination that granting asylum was "in the national interest," making asylum even HARDER

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