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candle2
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Message 72 of 88 (847394)
01-22-2019 9:24 AM
Reply to: Message 54 by Faith
01-20-2019 12:07 AM


Re: What Would Jesus Declare In 2019?
When one reads the Athanasian Creed it should be crystal clear that the author (Athanasia ?) Was a lunatic. It makes absolutely no sense.
Throughout the NT there is a family centered theme: The Father and Son. Each of us have the potential to become a member of this family.
God gave the Israelites (not just Judah) His calendar. The beginning of a new year was the month of Abib, which begins in the Spring.
God's days begin in the evening, at sunset. God also gave us His 7th day Sabbath.
Daniel chapter 7 describes the Holy Roman Empire --union between church and state.
Rome is the beast (beast is symbolic for kingdom/king. The Catholic Church is the image of the beast. They both rule(d) from the top down. And both have adopted Sunday (day of the sun) as their identifying mark.
There was a time when one did not accept the mark (work on Saturday and rest on Sunday) that they were not permitted to buy or sell. This situation will once again arise. There is no way to hide from one's choice.
Rome and it's filthy counterfeit church have in fact changed times and laws.
The world begins a new year on January 1, in the dead of winter. Day's now begin at midnight, and the majority of the Christian world has deserted God's Sabbath in order to worship on the day of the sun.
Both Rome and it's image (CC) have killed the saints of God, in horrible ways. Read Foxe's Book of Martyrs, as well as other books on this subject.
I'm not condemning the good people who are Catholic, but it's leaders are in serious trouble.

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Message 73 of 88 (847395)
01-22-2019 10:03 AM
Reply to: Message 65 by Phat
01-21-2019 11:16 AM


Re: What Would Jesus Declare In 2019?
Come on Phat; one doesn't have to be enlightened in order to read. The Bible tells us how to determine clean from unclean meat. It doesn't take a rocket scientist. In fact, a college degree isn't required; although, I received my Bachelor at the age of 52.
There might very well be a time when hardly any meat will to fit to eat. But, we cannot blame God for what we ourselves contaminate.
I'm not your enemy, Phat. Satan is.

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Message 76 of 88 (847453)
01-22-2019 7:25 PM
Reply to: Message 71 by LamarkNewAge
01-22-2019 12:58 AM


Re: Please clarify your interpretation of Jesus' position on hand washing.
Some use Mark 7 and Matthew 15 in an attempt to undermine God's order in Lev. 11 and Deut. 14 against eating unclean animals
The fact is that Jesus (as the Logos) created everything that exists in the universe. This includes both clean and unclean meat.
The issue in these chapters is "unwashed hands," not unclean meat.
Hand washing was a tradition of the Pharisees. It was ceremonially done in a prescribed manner that had nothing to do with sanitation.
Jesus knows the importance of good hygieneore than any of us. But this was about a ritual, nothing more.
The Pharisees also had restrictions placed on the Sabbath, which were nothingore than worthless traditions.
For example, they were not allowed to spit on dirt because it was considered tilling. If a lamp was not lit before the Sabbath began it had to remain out. And vice-versa.
The Pharisees were lunatics.

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Message 78 of 88 (847467)
01-23-2019 10:42 AM
Reply to: Message 66 by Tangle
01-21-2019 2:25 PM


Re: What Would Jesus Declare In 2019?
Absolutely Dr. S was shocked. She was stunned beyond belief, which is why she ran so many tests on the fossil.
Eventually (after denying what she was observing time and time and time again) she was forced to admit her findings.
The evolutionist community was also forced to admit that soft tissue was present in the fossil.
But, instead of utilizing common sense and admitting the obvious (that the fossil was just a few thousand years old), they come up with explanations that make them look stupid.
Professing themselves to be wise, they became fools.
Also, coal formations found in Rock strata, dated (by these same fools) to be hundreds of millions of year old, contained significant amount of Carbon-14.
Isn't it telling that these same fools date Rock strata by the fossil found in them, and they date the fossil by the rocks they are found in. Talk about circular reasoning.
I agree, as you say, that these are exciting findings, but the excitement is for creationists.

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Message 82 of 88 (847483)
01-23-2019 1:17 PM
Reply to: Message 77 by LamarkNewAge
01-23-2019 7:56 AM


Re: Please clarify your interpretation of Jesus' position on hand washing.
I agree that more than ninety percent of Christians believe it is acceptable to God for them toeat contaminated/polluted meat.
But, like it states in Matthew 24:5 Satan deceives the many, not the few. And Rev. 12:9 states that Satan deceives the whole world.
The percentage that believes a certain way means absolutely nothing. The majority used to believe that slavery was a good thing.
Christ's Church is pictured as a small flock, often persecuted, and never large and politically powerful.
Mat. 7-13 says that wide and broad is the way that leads to destruction, any many (not the few) take this path.
Mark 7:1-5 makes it absolutely clear that the theme is "unwashed hands." If Jesus had told the Pharisees that He had made a terrible mistake in Lev 11 & Deut 14 where He had condemned the eating of unclean animals they would have stoned Him.
For the Pharisees it was about ritual purity. In their beady little minds it wasn't about love.
It has been awhile since I've looked over my notes about activities prohibited by the Pharisees on the Sabbath, but when given the opportunity I will do so
Right off my head you might check thenazarene.com or Angelfire: Welcome to Angelfire.

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Message 87 of 88 (847603)
01-24-2019 7:16 AM
Reply to: Message 86 by LamarkNewAge
01-23-2019 5:56 PM


Re: Your PROOF: Jesus' position on hand washing, pork THEN the Rabbinical/Mosaic reasons.
Are you accusing Jesus of disobeying Himself by not washing His hands before eating? If there was a command from heaven that one must wash his hands before eating, it would have come from Jesus.
Jesus is the member of the God family that created everything. John 1:3,10 ; Eph 3:9 ; Col 1:16.
John 1:18 states that no man has seen God (the Father) at any time (not Abraham nor Moses). The Son hath declared Him.
John 17:26 Jesus said about His Father "And I have declared (Gnorizo--made known) Him.
Jesus, in stunning clarity, in John 5:37 states that no one has heard the Father's voice at any time.
Again, in John 6:46 Jesus makes it clear that no man had ever seen the Father.
In Exodus 24:9-11 seventy elders of Israel saw God (Jesus).
In Exodus 33:18-23 Moses was allowed to see the backside of God (Jesus) in all His glory.
There are numerous instances in the OO in which men have either seen God or heard Him speak, but it wasn't the Father. It was Jesus.
In Exodus 13:21-22 we see that God went before the Israelites in a cloud.
Now read 1Cor.10:1-4. Jesus was the member of the God family who was in the cloud.
When Moses asked God (Ex. 3:14) how to answer the Israelites when they asked who had sent him Jesus answered him "l AM that I AM. I AM has sent me."
When confronted by the Pharisees in John 8:52-59 they said that He was not yet 50 years old, so how could He possibly know Abraham.
He answered..."before Abraham was, I AM." They tried to stone Him because they understood what this implied.
When the guards came to arrest Jesus in John 18:1-6, He asked them whom they were seeking. They replied Jesus of Nazareth. When Jesus answered "I AM," (He is in italics. It was added by the translators) they went backwards and fell to the ground.
Jesus referred to Himself as I AM:
The bread of light;
The light of the world;
The door;
Good shepherd;
The way, truth, and the light;
Etc.....
In the OT God referred to Himself the same way.
In John 20:2 Thomas on seeing Jesus' scars cried out, "my Lord and my God."
The first "face to face" contact that we will have with the Father is after the Great White Throne Judgement.
Mark 7 is simply a tradition of the Pharisees involving not only hands but pots, cups, tables, and brasen vessels. It was a ritualistic washing.
In verses 7-8, Jesus condemns them for their tradition, which He calls "tradition of men."
When Jesus declared some animals unfit for human consumption, He didn't make a mistake that He have to later correct.

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