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dwise1
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Message 376 of 381 (847475)
01-23-2019 12:19 PM
Reply to: Message 370 by Faith
01-20-2019 7:24 PM


Re: Why so much poverty driving people to the US?
Now they come in needing free stuff from us, stuff that rightfully belongs to American citizens not foreigners.

What free stuff? And explain your repeated claim that they get it but citizens cannot.

What the hell are you talking about? We keep requesting information about your repeated claims and your explanation, but you always avoid the questions!


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Faith
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Message 377 of 381 (847485)
01-23-2019 1:27 PM
Reply to: Message 376 by dwise1
01-23-2019 12:19 PM


Re: Why so much poverty driving people to the US?
If you stopped being exclusively buried in Leftist propaganda and listened to the truth from the other side for a change you wouldn't need me to explain such things to you. I don't take notes on what I hear on the radio but when I happen to have some verifiable information I'll post it here.

Edited by Faith, : No reason given.


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Message 378 of 381 (847501)
01-23-2019 2:19 PM
Reply to: Message 377 by Faith
01-23-2019 1:27 PM


Re: Why so much poverty driving people to the US?
IOW you have no explanation or evidence, just another right-wing lie.

https://immigrationforum.org/...migrants-and-public-benefits

quote:
Are undocumented immigrants eligible for federal public benefit programs?

Generally no. Undocumented immigrants, including DACA holders, are ineligible to receive most federal public benefits, including means-tested benefits such as Supplemental Nutrition Assistance Program (SNAP, sometimes referred to as food stamps), regular Medicaid, Supplemental Security Income (SSI), and Temporary Assistance for Needy Families (TANF). Undocumented immigrants are ineligible for health care subsidies under the Affordable Care Act (ACA) and are prohibited from purchasing unsubsidized health coverage on ACA exchanges.

Undocumented immigrants may be eligible for a handful of benefits that are deemed necessary to protect life or guarantee safety in dire situations, such as emergency Medicaid, access to treatment in hospital emergency rooms, or access to healthcare and nutrition programs under the Special Supplemental Nutrition Program for Women, Infants, and Children (WIC).


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Message 379 of 381 (847551)
01-23-2019 3:53 PM
Reply to: Message 375 by Theodoric
01-23-2019 11:45 AM


Re: Why so much poverty driving people to the US?
Theodoric writes:

You may want to actually study the history of these countries.

Faith studying actual history, instead of making it up? Fat chance of that! But we clearly share responsibility for the economic, social and political problems in these countries, for example:


--Percy

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dwise1
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Message 380 of 381 (847569)
01-23-2019 5:48 PM
Reply to: Message 377 by Faith
01-23-2019 1:27 PM


Re: Why so much poverty driving people to the US?
If you stopped being exclusively buried in Leftist propaganda and listened to the truth from the other side for a change you wouldn't need me to explain such things to you.

The only thing that we need for you to explain to us is simply, "What the hell are you talking about?" You keep making wildly false claims that have no connection to reality, so we have to ask you to explain where your wild fantasies come from.

If you were to stop burying your head exclusively in Fake News Network propaganda and just look at reality with some glimmer of understanding the plain truth before you, then we wouldn't have to try to get you to actually think so that we could help you unwedge your head so that you could finally stumble out of the darkness.

For example, I've been asking you how illegal immigrants contribute to the system through taxes. Well, on that same page that JonF just pointed out to you on Message 378, https://immigrationforum.org/...migrants-and-public-benefits, we find that immigrants, both legal and illegal, pay hundreds of billions of dollars in taxes for public benefit programs that illegal immigrants cannot qualify for. On the state level, Arizona and Florida both estimate that immigrants pay considerably more into the system than they take out, which I would submit makes them self-supporting and not a drain of the economy by any means:

quote:

How much do immigrants contribute to support public benefits programs?

Both documented and undocumented immigrants pay more into public benefit programs than they take out. According to New American Economy, undocumented immigrants paid over $328.2 billion in state, local, and federal taxes in 2014 alone. However, undocumented immigrants are not eligible for any of the federal or state benefits that their tax dollars help fund.

Additionally, a few states have completed studies demonstrating that immigrants pay more in taxes than they receive in government services and benefits. A study in Arizona found that the state’s immigrants generate $2.4 billion in tax revenue per year, which more than offsets the $1.4 billion in their use of benefit programs. Another study in Florida estimated that, on a per capita basis, immigrants in the state pay nearly $1,500 more in taxes per capita than they receive in public benefits.


The Fake News Network is lying to you. Their intent is to scare you and to keep you scared so that they can control you. The truth shall set you free.


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Faith
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Message 381 of 381 (860957)
08-14-2019 1:34 PM
Reply to: Message 62 by JoeT
12-17-2018 5:05 PM


Re: Respectful Offense
I have read GDR's post and your response over and over trying to make some sense of the strength of your response. I even went back a bit to see if you two had some history and saw that GDR is a pretty calm and reasonable poster, and has some interesting perspectives on things. What I cannot find is any reason for you to be so mean and hateful to somebody saying that they, through their church, try to help people. Am I missing something here?

No, you got it right, I was way out of line and rewrote the original post you quoted from Message 58 GDR's intentions are good, I just think there is danger in Islam that he isn't aware of.


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