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Topic: The Right Side of the News
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Phat
Member Posts: 18655 From: Denver,Colorado USA Joined: 12-30-2003 Member Rating: 4.4
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Message 616 of 5796 (847621)
01-24-2019 12:08 PM
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Reply to: Message 615 by Theodoric
01-24-2019 11:22 AM
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Re: Dangerous media smears of innocent boys
The things about racists is that very few of the have them balls to stand up for their actual beliefs. The hem and haw and try to justify why they are not racists. This is because they know they only have one reason for being a racist. Hate of people that are different and they don't want to admit it. Give me a good old time racist that admits they hate people different than they are. At least you know where they stand... I hope im not racist but i likely have unconscious hangups. Consciously i still resist the whole white privilege accusation. There is no reason that i should be vilified because of the behavior of my ancestors...although some racism does exist in our society and much of comes from populists.
Chance as a real force is a myth. It has no basis in reality and no place in scientific inquiry. For science and philosophy to continue to advance in knowledge, chance must be demythologized once and for all. —RC Sproul
"A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." —Mark Twain " ~" If that's not sufficient for you go soak your head."~Faith
You can "get answers" by watching the ducks. That doesn't mean the answers are coming from them.~Ringo
Subjectivism may very well undermine Christianity.
In the same way that "allowing people to choose what they want to be when they grow up" undermines communism.~Stile
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Theodoric
Member Posts: 9489 From: Northwest, WI, USA Joined: 08-15-2005 Member Rating: 6.3
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Message 617 of 5796 (847622)
01-24-2019 12:31 PM
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Reply to: Message 616 by Phat
01-24-2019 12:08 PM
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Re: Dangerous media smears of innocent boys
White privilege is not an accusation. It is reality.
There is no reason that i should be vilified because of the behavior of my ancestors
But you have no problem accepting the rewards. No one wants to vilify you. All they want is an acknowdgement that due to the horrible things your and my ancestors did in the past certain groups have an inherent privilege. If you cannot understand that then we have nothing to discuss.
Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts "God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness. If your viewpoint has merits and facts to back it up why would you have to lie?
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Phat
Member Posts: 18655 From: Denver,Colorado USA Joined: 12-30-2003 Member Rating: 4.4
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Message 618 of 5796 (847625)
01-24-2019 12:49 PM
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Reply to: Message 617 by Theodoric
01-24-2019 12:31 PM
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Re: Dangerous media smears of innocent boys
All they want is an acknowdgement that due to the horrible things your and my ancestors did in the past certain groups have an inherent privilege. I can acknowledge it but dont want to have to pay reparations of any sort nor be penalized for it. It would be like getting arrested for a crime your father did. Edited by Phat, : No reason given.
Chance as a real force is a myth. It has no basis in reality and no place in scientific inquiry. For science and philosophy to continue to advance in knowledge, chance must be demythologized once and for all. ~RC Sproul
"A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." ~Mark Twain " ~" If that's not sufficient for you go soak your head."~Faith
You can "get answers" by watching the ducks. That doesn't mean the answers are coming from them.~Ringo
Subjectivism may very well undermine Christianity.
In the same way that "allowing people to choose what they want to be when they grow up" undermines communism.~Stile
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Tanypteryx
Member Posts: 4597 From: Oregon, USA Joined: 08-27-2006 Member Rating: 9.1
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Message 619 of 5796 (847626)
01-24-2019 1:04 PM
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Reply to: Message 616 by Phat
01-24-2019 12:08 PM
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Re: Dangerous media smears of innocent boys
Consciously i still resist the whole white privilege accusation. There is no reason that i should be vilified because of the behavior of my ancestors...although some racism does exist in our society and much of comes from populists. Really? Do you get stopped by the police because you obviously don't look like you can afford that car? Do you get get stopped by the police when you are walking down the street and asked for your identification because you look shifty? Do you get followed around by clerks in the store because you look like a shoplifter? Black and brown people deal with that bullshit every day of their lives. They have to teach their children how to behave if the are confronted by police so they don't get shot. No one is blaming you because that doesn't happen to you. They want it to stop happening to them. You know how it pisses you off when you have to jump through hoops to get services you paid for? Well, just for a second imagine having to deal with that every single time you interact with society. You act as if they are treated decently that diminishes you.
What if Eleanor Roosevelt had wings? -- Monty Python One important characteristic of a theory is that is has survived repeated attempts to falsify it. Contrary to your understanding, all available evidence confirms it. --Subbie If evolution is shown to be false, it will be at the hands of things that are true, not made up. --percy The reason that we have the scientific method is because common sense isn't reliable. -- Taq
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Phat
Member Posts: 18655 From: Denver,Colorado USA Joined: 12-30-2003 Member Rating: 4.4
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Re: Dangerous media smears of innocent boys
No i understand what you mean. Im all for equal treatment of everyone.
Chance as a real force is a myth. It has no basis in reality and no place in scientific inquiry. For science and philosophy to continue to advance in knowledge, chance must be demythologized once and for all. ~RC Sproul
"A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." ~Mark Twain " ~" If that's not sufficient for you go soak your head."~Faith
You can "get answers" by watching the ducks. That doesn't mean the answers are coming from them.~Ringo
Subjectivism may very well undermine Christianity.
In the same way that "allowing people to choose what they want to be when they grow up" undermines communism.~Stile
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Theodoric
Member Posts: 9489 From: Northwest, WI, USA Joined: 08-15-2005 Member Rating: 6.3
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Message 621 of 5796 (847631)
01-24-2019 1:53 PM
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Reply to: Message 618 by Phat
01-24-2019 12:49 PM
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Re: Dangerous media smears of innocent boys
but dont want to have to pay reparations of any sort nor be penalized for it.
Now, has anyone asked you to do that? Realistically? No. You have white privilege, but seem unwilling to acknowledge that or accept the responsibility it entails. Good day, Sir. I am done with you.
Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts "God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness. If your viewpoint has merits and facts to back it up why would you have to lie?
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Tangle
Member Posts: 9583 From: UK Joined: 10-07-2011 Member Rating: 6.7
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Message 622 of 5796 (847633)
01-24-2019 2:05 PM
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Reply to: Message 616 by Phat
01-24-2019 12:08 PM
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Re: Dangerous media smears of innocent boys
Phat writes: I hope im not racist but i likely have unconscious hangups. Everyone is racist, it's the way we're built. But knowing that helps fight it.
There is no reason that i should be vilified because of the behavior of my ancestors...although some racism does exist in our society and much of comes from populists. That made me laugh again. You realise that the whole 'sins of my father' thing is what your entire religion is based on....
Je suis Charlie. Je suis Ahmed. Je suis Juif. Je suis Parisien. I am Mancunian. I am Brum. I am London.I am Finland. Soy Barcelona "Life, don't talk to me about life" - Marvin the Paranoid Android "Science adjusts it's views based on what's observed. Faith is the denial of observation so that Belief can be preserved." - Tim Minchin, in his beat poem, Storm.
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Faith 
Suspended Member (Idle past 1704 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined: 10-06-2001
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Message 623 of 5796 (847636)
01-24-2019 2:37 PM
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Lawyer to defend Covington kids pro bono, sue media for libel if don't retract
' Lawyer for Covington Catholic HS Families Threatens Lawsuits Against Media Unless They Retract False Stories/
Thanks to the sloppy, one-sided reporting of the malicious, agenda-driven media, a group of Catholic high school teenagers and their families have become the subjects of threats and harassment from a hateful online outrage mob. Their only sins? Being white, Catholic, and supporters of the president. The full story has emerged in the wake of the fake news blitzkrieg over the weekend, and the media outlets that spread defamatory smears against the kids are now being warned to correct and retract their stories or face a lawsuit. Contrary to the media's malicious narrative, the kids were not racist rednecks mobbing a Native American elder with hateful slurs. It was quite the opposite. Los Angeles-based trial lawyer Robert Barnes offered to represent the Covington families for free should they decide to sue the New York Times. Covington Catholic lawyer adds Rep. Ilhan Omar to ”libel,’ ”get sued’ list “This is libel. Retract, or get sued,” Barnes tweeted, quoting a now-deleted tweet from the Minnesota Democrat in which she claimed the teens were at fault for the confrontation Saturday at the Indigenous People’s March in Washington, D.C., between the students from the Northern Kentucky school and Native American Nathan Phillips. “The boys were protesting a woman’s right to choose & yelled ”it’s not rape if you enjoy it,’” Omar tweeted Tuesday night, before deleting the tweet Wednesday morning. She also erroneously wrote that the students “were taunting 5 Black men before they surrounded Phillips and led racist chants.” FOX NEWS FIRST: Covington High School teens, families fight back Nick Sandmann, the Covington Catholic High School junior at the center of the videotaped encounter, told NBC's "Today" show that he did nothing to provoke anyone and sought to calm the situation. “As far as standing there, I had every right to do so," he said in the interview. "My position is that I was not disrespectful to [Native American protester] Mr. (Nathan) Phillips. I respect him. I’d like to talk to him. I mean, in hindsight, I wish we could’ve walked away and avoided the whole thing.” Meanwhile, some parental chaperones who witnessed the encounter say the Covington students were targeted because they were Catholics at a March for Life rally who were wearing Trump "Make American Great Again" hats. “I think they were targeted for what they stood for... which is Christianity, the right for life," parental chaperone Jill Hamlin told Fox News. "And they were singled out, and I believe, partially because of the color of their skin they were targeted.”
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JonF
Member (Idle past 428 days) Posts: 6174 Joined: 06-23-2003
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Message 624 of 5796 (847637)
01-24-2019 2:47 PM
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Here's a fun game we can play
Jacob Wohl is "a former hedge fund manager and pro-Trump conspiracy theorist, [who] has been connected with the alleged sexual assault claims against special counsel Robert Mueller" ( Jacob Wohl: 5 Fast Facts You Need to Know | Heavy.com). Trump has retweeted him. Here's a recent tweet:
Faith, can you spot the mammoth lie? Edited by JonF, : No reason given.
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Theodoric
Member Posts: 9489 From: Northwest, WI, USA Joined: 08-15-2005 Member Rating: 6.3
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Message 625 of 5796 (847639)
01-24-2019 2:55 PM
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Gee leaders of their own church is condemning their actions. Why would this bishop be ashamed of their actions, if these little punks did nothing? (Cue Faith's anti-catholic bigotry)
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“I am ashamed that the actions of Kentucky Catholic high school students have become a contradiction of the very reverence for human life that the march is supposed to manifest. As such, I believe that U.S. Catholics must take a look at how our support of the fundamental right to life has become separated from the even more basic truth of the dignity of each human person,” Stowe wrote. “Without engaging the discussion about the context of the viral video or placing the blame entirely on these adolescents, it astonishes me that any students participating in a pro-life activity on behalf of their school and their Catholic faith could be wearing apparel sporting the slogans of a president who denigrates the lives of immigrants, refugees and people from countries that he describes with indecent words and haphazardly endangers with life-threatening policies.”
https://www.washingtonpost.com/...holic-high-school-students
Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts "God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness. If your viewpoint has merits and facts to back it up why would you have to lie?
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Faith
Suspended Member (Idle past 1704 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined: 10-06-2001
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Message 626 of 5796 (847640)
01-24-2019 2:56 PM
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Reply to: Message 624 by JonF
01-24-2019 2:47 PM
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Re: Here's a fun game we can play
I can't even read the thing, sorry.
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Faith
Suspended Member (Idle past 1704 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined: 10-06-2001
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Message 627 of 5796 (847641)
01-24-2019 3:02 PM
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Reply to: Message 625 by Theodoric
01-24-2019 2:55 PM
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Clearly shows the Left-Right divide that he attacks Trump with the usual Leftist lies rather than addressing the actual behavior of the boys at the event. I hope their lawyer might consider suing the bishops and other Catholic administrators who also rushed to judgment of these boys on political grounds alone.
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Theodoric
Member Posts: 9489 From: Northwest, WI, USA Joined: 08-15-2005 Member Rating: 6.3
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Message 628 of 5796 (847642)
01-24-2019 3:23 PM
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Reply to: Message 627 by Faith
01-24-2019 3:02 PM
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lol
I hope their lawyer might consider suing the bishops and other Catholic administrators
What are they going to sue them for? Did you even read the statement? Please explain to me what in the statement is libelous.
Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts "God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness. If your viewpoint has merits and facts to back it up why would you have to lie?
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Taq
Member Posts: 10304 Joined: 03-06-2009 Member Rating: 7.3
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Message 629 of 5796 (847643)
01-24-2019 3:23 PM
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Reply to: Message 627 by Faith
01-24-2019 3:02 PM
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Faith writes: Clearly shows the Left-Right divide that he attacks Trump with the usual Leftist lies rather than addressing the actual behavior of the boys at the event. The problem is that if their actual behavior contradicts your fantasies then you reject the facts.
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JonF
Member (Idle past 428 days) Posts: 6174 Joined: 06-23-2003
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Message 630 of 5796 (847644)
01-24-2019 3:24 PM
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Reply to: Message 626 by Faith
01-24-2019 2:56 PM
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Re: Here's a fun game we can play
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Kamala Harris is NOT eligible to be President. Her father arrived from Jamaica in 1961 - mother from India in 1960. Neither parent was a legal resident for 5 years prior to Kamala's birth, a requirement for naturalization. Kamala was raised in Canada.
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