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Faith  Suspended Member (Idle past 1475 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined: |
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JonF Member (Idle past 199 days) Posts: 6174 Joined: |
Surplus means the government has more than enough money to fulfill all its obligations. It is a very rare condition in the modern United States.
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dwise1 Member Posts: 5952 Joined: Member Rating: 5.7
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Then go ahead and read the rest of my Message 668 and answer my questions.
Here's another one. Trump switched to claiming that Mexico was still going to pay for his wall through the new trade agreement and through the tariffs he's imposing. Did your conservative programs report that? I'm sure they did. Did your sources agree with what Trump said, that Mexico will be paying those tariffs? I'm sure they did. Did they ever explain how tariffs actually work? I'm sure they didn't. Did they ever mention that, because of the way that tariffs actually work, no country in the world, including Mexico and US, never pays any tariffs imposed against them? I'm sure they didn't. Did they ever mention who actually pays those tariffs? I'm sure that they didn't mention that it's the companies importing those goods and materials who pay those tariffs and must then pass that cost on to its customers and on down the line to us. Faith, there is a very good reason why you are so divorced from reality.
You are dug into a political position and refuse to look at the other side. Faith, why do we have to tell you this over and over again? That person you see in the mirror is not us. It's you! Edited by dwise1, : quote and response
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Percy Member Posts: 22508 From: New Hampshire Joined: Member Rating: 5.4 |
caffeine writes: The left does not believe we should move away from capitalism Of course there are people who believe we should move away from capitalism. If those people are not part of 'the left' then I have no idea what that term is meant to refer to. You mean Marxists and communists? The people should own the means of production and all that? Seems more like the far left.
A quarter of the respondents to the Fox poll said yes; while more than a third did the previous time they asked it. The question was still ill-phrased and implied things that are not true. Capitalism and socialism are not at opposite ends of some spectrum. They coexist just fine.
'The left' doesn't have beliefs, on account of being a very broad and ill-defined political category made up of millions of very different people with very different political viewpoints. You're defining "the left" in a very broad sense and then insisting that it can only be used in that sense. That's not at all true. In the context of that poll question and of this thread's backdrop of the current political debate between Democrats and Republicans in Washington, "the left" refers to those in favor of things like affordable healthcare for all, a fiscally healthy social security system, a social safety net, regulations supporting a clean environment and action on climate change, etc. I suppose that to varying degrees these can be interpreted as a move toward socialism, but not as a move away from capitalism. There will always be a legitimate debate about where to draw the line of responsibility between government and the private sector. For example, does being for or against having the government run our prisons mean one wants more or less capitalism? Of course not. Those in favor of private sector prisons might give greater weight to the efficiencies of competition in the marketplace providing prisons at lower cost, while those opposed might give greater weight to the social and legal risks presented by an industry motivated to lobby Washington in favor of policies that result in more people being locked up for longer periods of time. --Percy
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Percy Member Posts: 22508 From: New Hampshire Joined: Member Rating: 5.4
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Faith writes: Sure I can say it's Leftist delusion, same as you can say it's Republican liars. That doesn't get us anywhere. Is this the flicker of a light bulb going on? --Percy
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Theodoric Member Posts: 9207 From: Northwest, WI, USA Joined: Member Rating: 3.4
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Are you implying that the state of California is lying that they have $21.4 billion dollar surplus?
About That Giant California Budget Surplus - capradio.org Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts "God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness. If your viewpoint has merits and facts to back it up why would you have to lie?
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Faith  Suspended Member (Idle past 1475 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined: |
I tend to think people just get things wrong rather than that they are lying. But here's an article that seems to support what I've been hearing:
The Top Four Reasons California is Unsustainabl3e According to a January 2017 study, “California state and local governments owe $1.3 trillion as of June 30, 2015.” The study was based on “a review of federal, state and local financial disclosures.” In other words, that $1.3 trillion in debt is the amount to which California governments admit. Other studies believe it to be more. Indeed, one study says it is actually $2.3 trillion and a recent Hoover Institute stated that there is over $1 trillion in pension liability alone, or $76,884 per household. Incredibly, there are 4 million current pension beneficiaries, a number that continues to grow and which exceeds the total population of 22 states. Pension liability is something I heard about a while ago from a relative in California who is worried about his state pension going poof before he gets old enough to start receiving it. Edited by Faith, : No reason given.
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Faith  Suspended Member (Idle past 1475 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined: |
The amendment was written for a specific purpose involving freed slaves. The question has to do with its original intent.
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JonF Member (Idle past 199 days) Posts: 6174 Joined: |
It's clear what it means. The many court decisions based on it are clear.
ABE legislative intent doesn't trump the clear meaning of the Words. Wikipedia:
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Percy Member Posts: 22508 From: New Hampshire Joined: Member Rating: 5.4
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Faith writes: Pension liability is something I heard about a while ago from a relative in California who is worried about his state pension going poof before he gets old enough to start receiving it. The state's power to tax means that your relative's pension will not go "poof", but increased contribution requirements being made on state, city and town employers are putting a strain on their ability to provide services and education. Gavin Newsom’s budget proposes a big down payment on California pensions that will reduce this strain, and it seems reasonable to expect that the state will have to make additional contributions over the next few years. Fortunately the surplus makes it possible to address a problem that has been decades in the making, see The Pension Fund That Ate California. The origins of the California pension fund crisis go back to the 1960's. The pensions (CalPERS and CalSTRS) have been mismanaged for years under both Democratic and Republican administrations, but the state legislature has been mostly under the control of Democrats since 1970. --Percy
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Percy Member Posts: 22508 From: New Hampshire Joined: Member Rating: 5.4 |
This is a chart from Trump and His Associates Had More Than 100 Contacts With Russians Before the Inauguration. See the article for the interactive version, this is a static image:
--Percy
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JonF Member (Idle past 199 days) Posts: 6174 Joined:
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Or, colors inverted:
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Faith  Suspended Member (Idle past 1475 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined: |
Thanks for making the chart visible for me.
As usual it's all just normal contacts with foreign representatives that all politicians engage in, except that Trump also had business dealings in the mix, nothing sinister there either.
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Faith  Suspended Member (Idle past 1475 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined: |
A happy conclusion to a dangerous fake news event.
NBC News The bishop of the Covington Diocese in Kentucky apologized Friday to the teenager at the center of a controversy over the behavior of Catholic high school students toward a Native American elder in Washington.
In a letter to parents, the Most Rev. Roger Foys said the diocese was too quick to condemn the actions of the Covington Catholic High School students, particularly those of Nicholas Sandmann, the boy who was seen on video facing off with Native American elder Nathan Phillips as he performed the song "American Indian Movement" near the Lincoln Memorial. "We should not have allowed ourselves to be bullied and pressured into making a statement prematurely, and we take full responsibility for it," Foys wrote. "I especially apologize to Nicholas Sandmann and his family, as well as to all CovCath families who have felt abandoned during this ordeal." |
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Percy Member Posts: 22508 From: New Hampshire Joined: Member Rating: 5.4
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Faith writes: As usual it's all just normal contacts with foreign representatives that all politicians engage in,... Let's say that that's true, that it's just normal contacts. Then why did Trump constantly deny any contacts with Russia?
...except that Trump also had business dealings in the mix, nothing sinister there either. Let's say that that's true, that's there's nothing sinister about trying to make business deals in Russia. Then why did Trump constantly claim he had no dealings with Russia? Now let's examine whether, according to the chart, these were all "just normal contacts" with "nothing sinister":
There's more, but that's enough for now. And we don't even have the Mueller report yet, and Mueller undoubtedly knows much more than is publicly known. Wanna bet that the Trump campaign had far more contact with Russia than with, say, Canada, Great Britain or France? --Percy
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Faith  Suspended Member (Idle past 1475 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined: |
All that has been discussed on the conservative talk shows and dismissed as much ado about nothing. And since none of it has implicated Trump in any kind of Russian collusion it's all a big waste of time. And it's all innuendo and personal opinion at this point. I understand that you think it means something but you aren't qualified to judge it.
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