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Author Topic:   Bible Inerrancy stands against all objections
Faith 
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Message 161 of 232 (842731)
11-06-2018 2:56 PM
Reply to: Message 160 by Percy
11-05-2018 3:02 PM


Re: Replying to several of your messages...
Okay, sure, let the record show that the religious are for death and the unreligious are for life.
Such a problem you have distinguishing between the innocent and the guilty.
Why do you make absurd responses like this? It isn't an issue of innocence or guilt. It's an issue of life or death. To be incredibly clear this time, when considering an appropriate sentence for the guilty it is the religious who most strongly favor including consideration of the death penalty.
Maybe so, but Catholics are big on objecting to the death penalty so you might take that into account here. In any case there's nothing absurd about pointing out that you want to spare the life of a murderer and call the death penalty murder instead, and I might point out further that you are all in favor of killing the innocent unborn while making the murderer into a victim of murder. Does seem to me like you have a problem distinguishing between innocence and guilt here.
In 20 states there is no such thing as capital offense, and it should be true for all 50 states and the federal government, too. Murder is wrong. There is no justification for committing murder.
See, there you are calling justice murder, that's what's absurd, and again I'll contrast that with your willingness to kill the innocent unborn child whose only crime is existing. Of course I disagree with your opinion in general: those 20 states are in the wrong, because the death penalty for murderers is justice and should remain in force.

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Message 162 of 232 (842732)
11-06-2018 2:59 PM
Reply to: Message 158 by LamarkNewAge
11-04-2018 7:16 PM


Re: Adam was created as he was. Perishable
I was arguing for a (very real) possibility that Paul actually felt Adam was created, from the beginning, as mortal.
The Romans 5:12 (literal death from sin) issue might not mean exactly what it sounds like.
I base that on the rest of Paul's comments on creation and death, plus the fact that he was a little metaphorical when he made his points.
I'm impressed, LNA, you really are able to make a succinct statement of your point. Please do it more often.

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Message 164 of 232 (842825)
11-08-2018 6:00 PM
Reply to: Message 163 by Percy
11-06-2018 6:27 PM


Re: Replying to several of your messages...
The taking of an INNOCENT human life is wrong, it's murder; the execution of a murderer is just.
Gen 9:6
Whoso sheddeth man's blood, by man shall his blood be shed: for in the image of God made he man.
abe: Oh and it's a really big mistake to pit Jesus against the Old Testament since He IS the God of the Old Testament incarnate
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Message 171 of 232 (847857)
01-28-2019 3:05 PM
Reply to: Message 170 by GDR
01-28-2019 11:46 AM


death penalty and value of life
It is the Bible that prescribes the death penalty for murder, as I quote above in Message 164, and it is the Bible that also affirms the high value of human life. If you all can't put those two facts together in one coherent philosophy there is something wrong with your heads.
Hint: It is BECAUSE of the high value God puts on human life as the Image of God that murder is punishable by death.
ABE: And I'll add, NOT putting a murderer to death brings a nation under God's judgment.
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Message 174 of 232 (847882)
01-29-2019 12:04 AM
Reply to: Message 172 by GDR
01-28-2019 6:59 PM


Re: death penalty and value of life
Jesus is the God who authored the Bible.

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Message 175 of 232 (847883)
01-29-2019 12:04 AM
Reply to: Message 173 by AZPaul3
01-28-2019 7:00 PM


Re: death penalty and value of life
Certainly does to me.

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Message 177 of 232 (847923)
01-29-2019 3:44 PM
Reply to: Message 176 by vimesey
01-29-2019 2:24 AM


death penalty
The taking of an INNOCENT human life is wrong, it's murder; the execution of a murderer is just.
So when a society with the death penalty, executes someone who later evidence shows is innocent, then that person has been murdered, yes ?
It is sad that there can be such miscarriages of justice, and often it is because of corrupt motivations too, or a rush to judgment. But when the legal system makes the decision we don't call it murder. Seems there should be some means of redress in such a case, but it's not murder.
The Bible makes provision for unintended killings also and doesn't treat them as murder.
In those circumstances, who should be executed for murdering that innocent person ?
Nobody because it's not murder.
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Message 179 of 232 (847928)
01-29-2019 4:07 PM
Reply to: Message 178 by vimesey
01-29-2019 3:54 PM


death penalty.
I have no problem making distinctions between mistakes and accidents and murder, and I suspect it's not really all that hard for you either.
Deterrence is not given as justification for the Biblical standard. We should certainly determine with all the best safeguards possible that murder actually was committed by the accused but when that has been determined execution is the just punishment.
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Message 181 of 232 (847930)
01-29-2019 4:17 PM
Reply to: Message 180 by vimesey
01-29-2019 4:12 PM


Re: death penalty.
Oh NONSENSE. It is possible to do a better job of preventing misjudgments. At least it should always be the case that if a really clear judgment can't be made then the death penalty can't be executed.

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Message 183 of 232 (847936)
01-29-2019 4:29 PM
Reply to: Message 182 by vimesey
01-29-2019 4:24 PM


Re: death penalty.
It is possible to have certainty in many cases. Doing away with the death penalty because of human error is not the right solution. Being a lot more careful about arriving at a judgment should be sufficient.
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Message 185 of 232 (847942)
01-29-2019 4:41 PM
Reply to: Message 184 by PaulK
01-29-2019 4:31 PM


Re: death penalty.
What a piece of idiocy that is. Sure, right, I'm advocating that cases be decided by public opinion. Can't you read? Can't you think?

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Message 187 of 232 (847952)
01-29-2019 5:25 PM
Reply to: Message 186 by PaulK
01-29-2019 4:53 PM


Re: death penalty.
We have an obligation to get it right. There is no justification for doing away with the death penalty, it is the right punishment for murder.

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Message 190 of 232 (847977)
01-29-2019 9:50 PM
Reply to: Message 189 by AZPaul3
01-29-2019 5:49 PM


Re: death penalty and value of life
Not nearly as disturbing I'm sure as it is disturbing to me that you and GDR put the life of a murderer on the same level as his victim and even attack God and believers for a lack of love in seeing love in God's vengeance on behalf of the victim. The complete repudiation of the standard that distinguishes sin, wickedness or guilt from righteousness in God's dealings with the world is extremely disturbing. I can't imagine a love that puts a Hitler or any other willful murderer above his victims but that is what you are doing with your bogus idea of what God's love should be.
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Message 191 of 232 (847978)
01-29-2019 9:56 PM
Reply to: Message 188 by Theodoric
01-29-2019 5:34 PM


Re: death penalty.
I'm not arguing from my own personal feelings and opinions on this subject, I'm arguing from my years of learning God's judgments.
But I must say it strikes me as quite bizarre that you would react that way to my simple statement that we have an obligation to get it right. Incontrovertible it would seem to me. Along with the death penalty which is based on God's word, no other opinion is needed.
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Message 192 of 232 (847980)
01-29-2019 11:19 PM
Reply to: Message 189 by AZPaul3
01-29-2019 5:49 PM


Re: death penalty and value of life
Do you object to the hanging of the Nazi war criminals convicted at the Nuremberg trials?

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