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Faith  Suspended Member (Idle past 1473 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined: |
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DrJones* Member Posts: 2290 From: Edmonton, Alberta, Canada Joined: Member Rating: 6.9 |
I still think if you pay Americans enough they will do that work.
why do you hate capitalism?
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ringo Member (Idle past 440 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined:
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Faith writes:
I kind of agree with that. I still think if you pay Americans enough they will do that work. Our politicians are always going on about creating "good" jobs. Why don't they care about making the "bad" jobs better? If the working conditions were better and the pay was better, yes your grocery bill would be higher but you'd save a lot of money on walls too.And our geese will blot out the sun.
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JonF Member (Idle past 196 days) Posts: 6174 Joined: |
This administration will never increase the number of legal immigrants or refugees
Quite the opposite. Lots of right-wingers agree. .
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dwise1 Member Posts: 5952 Joined: Member Rating: 5.2
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I already told her what the Great Prophet of Capitalism, Adam Smith, had said about that.
In much the same vein, a couple/few decades ago I sat down and crunched some numbers. I was a software engineer (retired a year ago) with a family to support and a mortgage to pay. That gave me a base-line level of expenses to try to cover each month. Now, there was a fairly common conceit that if you were out of work then you should be willing to take on any job that there is. So I took the minimum wage and figured out how many hours a week I'd have to work to be able to meet my base-line level of expenses. I found that I would have had to work more than 100 hours a week. The scary part is that some people have to work such impossible hours just to get by. I was struck by a response to the question of whether a $15/hr minimum wage would allow them to quit their second job: "No, but I could quit my third job."
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Tangle Member Posts: 9512 From: UK Joined: Member Rating: 4.8 |
Ringo writes: Our politicians are always going on about creating "good" jobs. Why don't they care about making the "bad" jobs better? If the working conditions were better and the pay was better, yes your grocery bill would be higher but you'd save a lot of money on walls too. 'cos that ain't the 'merican way. That would mean government intervention in the free market. I was in Reykjavic a while ago and tried to tip the hotel staff, they declined politely and told me that they are very well paid and don't need tips. It's a different culture. To a visitor though, it's an incredibly expensive place.Je suis Charlie. Je suis Ahmed. Je suis Juif. Je suis Parisien. I am Mancunian. I am Brum. I am London.I am Finland. Soy Barcelona "Life, don't talk to me about life" - Marvin the Paranoid Android "Science adjusts it's views based on what's observed.Faith is the denial of observation so that Belief can be preserved." - Tim Minchin, in his beat poem, Storm.
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Faith  Suspended Member (Idle past 1473 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined: |
I also know of an illegal I'd like to see somehow helped to become legal because of his hard work and usefulness to his employer. But I don't know how many situations could be described in such ways. But yes, there should be more consideration of individual cases at least. Still, stopping illegals altogether has to happen so that we have only legal entry. And requiring that they go through the citizenship process benefits US by making them aware of the history and culture of the country they are supposedly choosing to make their home. And learning English has to be a part of that process. We are no longer the melting pot we used to be and we need to get back to that. Unassimilated groups do not build the nation.
As for a wall, the border patrol like the idea of having walls in particular locations, it helps them to be able to monitor the ports of entry more efficiently. That would make the control of the flow of drugs easier among other things. The fact that there is so much corruption involved is very distressing. The exploitation of the illegals by employers is distressing. I keep thinking of the Guinness company which is known for its extensive care of its workers. Honesty and caring for employees ought to be basic for American businesses. Yes I understand the economic problems, but there has to be a solution. Edited by Faith, : No reason given.
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Taq Member Posts: 10084 Joined: Member Rating: 5.1 |
Faith writes: I also know of an illegal I'd like to see somehow helped to become legal because of his hard work and usefulness to his employer. But I don't know how many situations could be described in such ways. Ironically, there was an illegal worker who was employed by the same company for over a decade. He even won employee of the month on a few occasions. With almost no warning, he was fired after years of faithful and hard work. Guess who that guy worked for? The Trump Organization. Undocumented workers reportedly fired from Trump golf club | Fox News
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Faith  Suspended Member (Idle past 1473 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined: |
The scary part is that some people have to work such impossible hours just to get by. I was struck by a response to the question of whether a $15/hr minimum wage would allow them to quit their second job: "No, but I could quit my third job. How do you explain this situation of people having to have more than one job in order to survive? That was not the case until fairly recently. My father supported a family of six on his own income and he didn't make a lot of money. That situation pretty much persisted through the years I was married and raising my daughter too. When did that change and why? Edited by Faith, : No reason given.
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Theodoric Member Posts: 9199 From: Northwest, WI, USA Joined: Member Rating: 3.2 |
Anyone else feel like trying to explain the reality to her? Not worth banging my head against the wall.
Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts "God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness. If your viewpoint has merits and facts to back it up why would you have to lie?
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Tanypteryx Member Posts: 4451 From: Oregon, USA Joined: Member Rating: 5.0
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Anyone else feel like trying to explain the reality to her? Come on, you know that is not possible, ever.What if Eleanor Roosevelt had wings? -- Monty Python One important characteristic of a theory is that is has survived repeated attempts to falsify it. Contrary to your understanding, all available evidence confirms it. --Subbie If evolution is shown to be false, it will be at the hands of things that are true, not made up. --percy The reason that we have the scientific method is because common sense isn't reliable. -- Taq
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Faith  Suspended Member (Idle past 1473 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined: |
Which has to mean you'd give me a tale of conservative fault and Leftist perfection that I'd reject.
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Theodoric Member Posts: 9199 From: Northwest, WI, USA Joined: Member Rating: 3.2
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No we would present data and facts, which you would reject without even considering. Trolls are not worth my time, you are a troll.
Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts "God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness. If your viewpoint has merits and facts to back it up why would you have to lie?
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Faith  Suspended Member (Idle past 1473 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined: |
You would present SELECTED data and facts.
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Phat Member Posts: 18348 From: Denver,Colorado USA Joined: Member Rating: 1.0 |
How do you explain this situation of people having to have more than one job in order to survive? That was not the case until fairly recently. My father supported a family of six on his own income and he didn't make a lot of money. That situation pretty much persisted through the years I was married and raising my daughter too. When did that change and why? What type of work did he do? My Dad was a general contractor...he built houses. Usually around 2 a year or so. His income back in the early seventies was only around $14,000.00 a year, but it was enough to support me and my sister, sending her to college and me to a private school. These days, it is different, however. Unless one makes around $60,000 a year one cannot successfully support a family the way my father did. Everyone will eat and get by, but life is tough. The cost of living has increased quicker than wages.
Chance as a real force is a myth. It has no basis in reality and no place in scientific inquiry. For science and philosophy to continue to advance in knowledge, chance must be demythologized once and for all. ~RC Sproul "A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." ~Mark Twain " ~"If that's not sufficient for you go soak your head."~Faith You can "get answers" by watching the ducks. That doesn't mean the answers are coming from them.~Ringo
Subjectivism may very well undermine Christianity.In the same way that "allowing people to choose what they want to be when they grow up" undermines communism.~Stile
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Faith  Suspended Member (Idle past 1473 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined: |
you are a troll What is your definition of a troll? Not Google's definition please, yours.
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