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ringo
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Message 1564 of 1748 (840314)
09-26-2018 4:04 PM
Reply to: Message 1562 by Phat
09-26-2018 3:51 PM


Re: Is There Consensus On Who Are Goats And Who Are Sheep?
Phat writes:
In this case, I go with evidence.
Why cherry-pick one case to accept the evidence and reject all of the others? Why not go with the fact that there is no evidence of Jesus' resurrection?
Phat writes:
God represents thought for thought introspection and personal growth within the humans who commune with Him.
Clearly not. Why do you keep bringing up that falsehood?
Phat writes:
Only fools think we have outgrown Him or the need for Him.
Why is it foolish to cling to a need for Santa Claus and also foolish to outgrow a need for God?
Phat writes:
We humans will never attain full potential without help.
Empty platitude.
Phat writes:
The question is whether God would tolerate people in His house who had a free and rebellious will that overrode His authority.
The question is how COULD anybody override his authority?
Phat writes:
... the implications of Him controlling everyone are scarier.
Why? Unless he's a vicious sadistic bastard.

And our geese will blot out the sun.

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ringo
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Posts: 20940
From: frozen wasteland
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Message 1565 of 1748 (840315)
09-26-2018 4:07 PM
Reply to: Message 1563 by Phat
09-26-2018 3:57 PM


Re: Coming back for the Reaping of Life
Phat writes:
The original sheep were the created angels, according to dogma.
According to made-up bullshit.
Phat writes:
A house divided against itself will not stand.
God's house, a house belonging to a real God can... not... be... divided. What part of that do you not understand?
Edited by ringo, : Punc.tuation

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ringo
Member (Idle past 412 days)
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From: frozen wasteland
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Message 1569 of 1748 (840319)
09-26-2018 4:42 PM
Reply to: Message 1568 by Phat
09-26-2018 4:38 PM


Re: Coming back for the Reaping of Life
Phat writes:
You are the one suggesting He let everyone in.
Yes, because if He is God and not just Colonel Sanders, he shouldn't have any problems maintaining decorum.
Phat writes:
I'm merely pointing out that not everyone is a follower nor marches to the same drummer. By definition that entails potential division.
And God, by definition, entails not having to worry about a few potential tiffs between His guests.
Phat writes:
If you invite drunk bikers to your little daughters birthday party, you cant expect everything to go smoothly.
God can. What part of that do you not understand?

And our geese will blot out the sun.

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ringo
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Posts: 20940
From: frozen wasteland
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Message 1571 of 1748 (840321)
09-26-2018 4:50 PM
Reply to: Message 1570 by Phat
09-26-2018 4:45 PM


Re: Coming back for the Reaping of Life
Phat writes:
He can't without over riding their free will...
The idea of "free will" is pretty much nonsense.
Phat writes:
are you suggesting that He can magically make you get along with everyone while still preserving your right to autonomy?
Are you suggesting that he can't?
Phat writes:
How would He accomplish this?
Most parents manage to mediate between warring children without setting some of them up in solid gold playhouses and barbecuing the rest. Why is your God less capable than that?

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ringo
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Message 1584 of 1748 (848065)
01-31-2019 11:07 AM
Reply to: Message 1583 by Phat
01-31-2019 11:03 AM


Re: Yetzer Hara
Phat writes:
There is only one problem that the critics reasonable have with the sacrifice.
And what problem is that?

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ringo
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Message 1586 of 1748 (848068)
01-31-2019 11:17 AM
Reply to: Message 1585 by Phat
01-31-2019 11:13 AM


Re: Yetzer Hara
Phat writes:
It does sound rather convoluted.
It isn't just convoluted. It's a complete non sequitur. It's like saying, "All dogs are brown. Therefore, the Eiffel Tower is the oldest bus-driver on Mars."

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ringo
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Message 1593 of 1748 (848173)
02-01-2019 10:44 AM
Reply to: Message 1590 by LamarkNewAge
02-01-2019 8:22 AM


Re: Where does scripture say God sacrificed himself (HIMSELF)?
LamarkNewAge writes:
(Did you miss the part about me ONLY wanting a raw scriptural quotation, absent any blather?)
Like it or not, this is a blather site, not a raw quotation site. You're the one who is doing it wrong.

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ringo
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Message 1594 of 1748 (848174)
02-01-2019 10:47 AM
Reply to: Message 1592 by Phat
02-01-2019 9:57 AM


Re: Incredulous Drivel
Phat writes:
But the belief in a higher power is no less credulous at this point than our science someday patting itself on the back because we found bacteria on the nearest asteroid!
The word you're looking for is "credible", not "credulous". And the belief in a higher power is far, far, far less credible than the belief that we will someday find life elsewhere in the universe.

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ringo
Member (Idle past 412 days)
Posts: 20940
From: frozen wasteland
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Message 1616 of 1748 (848277)
02-02-2019 10:47 AM
Reply to: Message 1597 by Phat
02-01-2019 4:11 PM


Re: Incredulous Drivel
Phat writes:
Im talking about our prospects after death.
That isn't what you said.
Phat writes:
Using evidence as your core belief (seeing is believing) you will stop speculating on any hypotheticals...
Nonsense. Science is all about speculating on hypotheticals. The difference is that science tests the hypotheticals and throws away the ones that don't pass the test. You don't. You cling to your failed hypotheticals.
Phat writes:
... citing loch ness and Loki as equally likely as a Creator of all seen and unseen....
They are equivalent. They are all failed hypotheticals.

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ringo
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Posts: 20940
From: frozen wasteland
Joined: 03-23-2005


Message 1618 of 1748 (848279)
02-02-2019 10:54 AM
Reply to: Message 1614 by Faith
02-02-2019 10:09 AM


Re: God did not "kill himself"
Faith writes:
Yes I did say it wrong before, not thinking.
You should have that put on a T-shirt.

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ringo
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Posts: 20940
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Message 1624 of 1748 (848325)
02-03-2019 1:31 PM
Reply to: Message 1622 by candle2
02-03-2019 11:11 AM


Re: Where does scripture say God sacrificed himself (HIMSELF)?
candle2 writes:
In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.
This verse is so well written that a 7 year old, near the end of the 2nd grade, should u/s it w/o any difficulty.
I wouldn't call it "well written". I'd call it more of a riddle.
Q: How is a raven like a writing desk?
A: Poe wrote on both.
A 7-year-old might remember the answer if it was taught to him but he'd be unlikely to figure it out for himself.
It might even be the answer that John was trying to contrive but that doesn't make it true.

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ringo
Member (Idle past 412 days)
Posts: 20940
From: frozen wasteland
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Message 1638 of 1748 (848395)
02-04-2019 11:09 AM
Reply to: Message 1636 by Phat
02-04-2019 7:52 AM


Re: Origins Of Reality
Phat writes:
My point is, however, that if math could have existed before formulas, why could not concepts, ideas, and ideologies have existed before language got around to hanging a label on them?
That may have been what John had in mind - but hanging "God" onto that idea is superfluous.
"God did it" is an add-on that fits almost anywhere. "Thank you God for this meal, even though I had to work to get the money, go to the store, do all the cooking, wash the dishes, etc."

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ringo
Member (Idle past 412 days)
Posts: 20940
From: frozen wasteland
Joined: 03-23-2005


Message 1641 of 1748 (848400)
02-04-2019 11:47 AM
Reply to: Message 1640 by Phat
02-04-2019 11:34 AM


Re: Origins Of Reality
Phat writes:
But why is it impossible for an idea to exist before humanity evolved enough to define it?
Can a painting exist without paint? You pretty much have to have the medium before the medium can do anything, don't you?
Phat writes:
John 19:11Jesus answered, “You would have no authority over Me if it were not given to you from above.
Didn't Charles Manson say something similar at his trial?
Phat writes:
Here is another example of a writer implying that God predated human wisdom, authority, and definition of ideas.
Writers can imply things that aren't true. What a writer thinks is only indicative of what the writer thinks.
Phat writes:
It also offers a belief that human wisdom is not our only source nor our first source. Granted it is the expression of a belief. And how would we ever test it?
But it can be tested. We can compare human wisdom with wisdom that is supposedly imparted by God and we find that human wisdom is more consistent and relates better to reality.

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ringo
Member (Idle past 412 days)
Posts: 20940
From: frozen wasteland
Joined: 03-23-2005


Message 1646 of 1748 (848426)
02-05-2019 10:38 AM
Reply to: Message 1645 by candle2
02-05-2019 9:19 AM


Re: Where does scripture say God sacrificed himself (HIMSELF)?
candle2 writes:
How in the world do people, such as evolutionist, accept the premise that life began by rain water leaching life from the rocks?
Life began by leaching life? Would you care to think that through and try again?

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ringo
Member (Idle past 412 days)
Posts: 20940
From: frozen wasteland
Joined: 03-23-2005


Message 1652 of 1748 (848515)
02-08-2019 10:52 AM
Reply to: Message 1649 by Phat
02-07-2019 6:02 PM


Re: Origins Of Reality
Phat writes:
Quit being so afraid of speculating on WHO or WHAT "did it".
The one who is afraid is you - afraid of letting go of your fixed idea of God. If we did find an entity that was completely different from your pet god, most of us would be more willing to accept it than you would.

And our geese will blot out the sun.

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