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Faith 
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Message 871 of 5796 (848158)
02-01-2019 1:19 AM
Reply to: Message 870 by dwise1
02-01-2019 1:14 AM


Re: Jobs Americans won't do
I also think capitalism is doing well under Trump.

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PaulK
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Message 872 of 5796 (848159)
02-01-2019 1:24 AM
Reply to: Message 868 by Faith
02-01-2019 12:52 AM


Re: Senate Resolution to Condemn Trump on Foreign Policy
quote:
What makes you think you can get rid of an elected President without either turning all his supporters into a hated underclass or provoking an uprising or a civil war?
Because that didn’t happen when they got rid of Nixon ?
quote:
What's with you arrogant Leftists that you treat the other half of the country like we don't exist.
I’m pretty sure that acknowledging that you exist doesn’t require accepting your demands.
quote:
We wish all of you would move to Siberia too, but we lived through Obama without trying to get him out of office as you all are trying to do to Trump.
Some of you did try. And they failed because they didn’t have a legal leg to stand from. And to be honest press criticism hardly amounts to a serious attempt to remove any politician.
quote:
He's done more than most Presidents toward keeping his promises to US and we like him.
I suppose it is true you like him, but the rest isn’t.
ABE The BBC has a report on Trump’s first two years. When it comes to keeping promises he’s behind Obama.
quote:
Who are you to override us?
By telling truths you want suppressed ? That is the only thing you are complaining of.
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dwise1
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Message 873 of 5796 (848160)
02-01-2019 1:39 AM
Reply to: Message 871 by Faith
02-01-2019 1:19 AM


Re: Jobs Americans won't do
YOU DID NOT ANSWER MY QUESTION!!!!
Yes, rabid out-of-control capitalism consuming everything in its path is doing well under Trump.
What about the vast majority that is everybody else?
I didn't know that you were a billionairesse. So why didn't you reveal that to us?
Or are you so abysmally ignorant about capitalism?

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Pressie
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Message 874 of 5796 (848162)
02-01-2019 7:11 AM
Reply to: Message 873 by dwise1
02-01-2019 1:39 AM


Re: Jobs Americans won't do
Ah, so Faith is a billionare. That would explain the contempt for science.
"I only borrowed USD3 000 000 from my father in the early seventies, with no interest rate and no plan to repay".
Yeah, you poor rich know-it-all.
Meanwhile, in the real world things are different.
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JonF
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Message 875 of 5796 (848168)
02-01-2019 9:21 AM
Reply to: Message 864 by Faith
01-31-2019 9:33 PM


Re: Senate Resolution to Condemn Trump on Foreign Policy
Thank you very much for admitting the plan to overturn a legitimate election, disqualify all who voted for him, essentially relegating us to the Gulag of PC opprobrium or the social death penalty, destroy America's freedoms and Constitution and make us a Leftist dictatorship of Third World stature.
Wow, paranoia much?
The hope is to discover something about Trump that might allow impeachment or indictment.
End of story.

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JonF
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Message 876 of 5796 (848169)
02-01-2019 9:22 AM
Reply to: Message 868 by Faith
02-01-2019 12:52 AM


Re: Senate Resolution to Condemn Trump on Foreign Policy
What makes you think you can get rid of an elected President without either turning all his supporters into a hated underclass or provoking an uprising or a civil war?
The Constitution.

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JonF
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Message 877 of 5796 (848170)
02-01-2019 9:24 AM
Reply to: Message 871 by Faith
02-01-2019 1:19 AM


Re: Jobs Americans won't do
I also think capitalism is doing well under Trump.
Capitalists are doing super under Trump.
The rest of us, not so much.

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AZPaul3
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Message 878 of 5796 (848177)
02-01-2019 12:30 PM
Reply to: Message 868 by Faith
02-01-2019 12:52 AM


Re: Senate Resolution to Condemn Trump on Foreign Policy
or provoking an uprising or a civil war?
Yeah. The inevitable re-arising of the fascist right.
we lived through Obama
Y'all are really stuck on Obama, The Evil OneTM.
Maybe you haven't understood what's happened. Obama has retired and no longer affects world or national events. He can't hurt you anymore. The Muslim armies have left the national parks.
He's done more than most Presidents ...
Understatement for sure. None of it good for the country or for the world. Except, I suppose his bank account is good with all the "events" the government is paying enormously inflated prices to stage at his own resorts. Too bad those four casinos he bankrupted weren't still in business. They'd (He'd) be raking in even more of our public money.
And I suppose the 1% got it good since he presented them with the largest fat cat billionaire tax cut in all of our national history.
The rest of us got nothing except higher costs, lower wages, national-, international- and intergalactic-shame and the spectacle of watching our government kill little brown children who slipped across the boarder illegally with their parents.

Eschew obfuscation. Habituate elucidation.

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Faith 
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Message 879 of 5796 (848186)
02-01-2019 2:53 PM
Reply to: Message 873 by dwise1
02-01-2019 1:39 AM


Re: Jobs Americans won't do
Hey dwise, let me say I'm sorry for whatever I did to tick you off so mightily. I skimmed your post and couldn't figure out what you were trying to say, didn't grasp that you thought you were answering my question, and it went on too long for my patience when there were other things going on I wanted to get to and the usual crowd of opponents to whatever else I said that ticked someone off. So I'm sorry, I still don't know what you are carrying on about and I don't know if I can ever figure it out. You do have a hairtrigger rage button though. You might want to learn to cool down for your own health.

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Message 880 of 5796 (848187)
02-01-2019 3:04 PM
Reply to: Message 879 by Faith
02-01-2019 2:53 PM


Re: Jobs Americans won't do
Wow!
Self awareness is not one of your strong suits I see.

Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts
"God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness.
If your viewpoint has merits and facts to back it up why would you have to lie?

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Faith 
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Message 881 of 5796 (848188)
02-01-2019 3:05 PM
Reply to: Message 878 by AZPaul3
02-01-2019 12:30 PM


Re: Senate Resolution to Condemn Trump on Foreign Policy
This way you go from buttering me up to lambasting me in the most excoriating Leftist terms is a bit disconcerting. Or something. It's been a long time since I read much psychology but I do recall that contrary to your idea that Trump is a narcissist, a main characteristic of narcissistic personality is charm. Trump really isn't a charmer, he's flatfooted and incautious about the effect he is having on others. But charmers are very aware of their effect and charm is YOUR thing. Charm you've got, and it's meant to build up other people's ego. Yes I'm a sucker for anyone who recognizes that I'm a good writer among other things. You're good at that sort of ego buildling. But such charm always gives way easily to hatred of those you are buttering up when they fail to appreciate it as you would like them to, but when they do appreciate it and think you really like them then they are treated to a lot of faultfinding. Or in this case sheer hatred for my political opinions. Everybody likes being buttered up, complimented, spoken to in a kindly supportive way, but it conceals a thicket of barbed wire in the narcissistic personality. Anyway all that fits you way better than it fits Trump.
I suppose I'm saying this mostly in self defense, to get you to stop the flirty talk. You ARE charming and coupled with the political hatred it's hard to take. And I suppose I'm saying THIS now because I don't want to sound like I hate YOU, I just want you to stop. .
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PaulK
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Message 882 of 5796 (848189)
02-01-2019 3:18 PM
Reply to: Message 881 by Faith
02-01-2019 3:05 PM


Re: Senate Resolution to Condemn Trump on Foreign Policy
quote:
It's been a long time since I read much psychology but I do recall that contrary to your idea that Trump is a narcissist, a main characteristic of narcissistic personality is charm. Trump really isn't a charmer...
The Wikipedia article on narcissm doesn’t mention charm, but it sure sounds like Trump. The “seven deadly sins” of narcissism are him, to a T.
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Faith 
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Message 883 of 5796 (848190)
02-01-2019 3:22 PM
Reply to: Message 882 by PaulK
02-01-2019 3:18 PM


Re: Senate Resolution to Condemn Trump on Foreign Policy
Look up "Narcissistic personality charming."

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PaulK
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Message 884 of 5796 (848191)
02-01-2019 3:29 PM
Reply to: Message 883 by Faith
02-01-2019 3:22 PM


Re: Senate Resolution to Condemn Trump on Foreign Policy
That really doesn’t change the fact that Trump shows a lot of the signs.
But your search helped me find this
THE MALIGNANT PERSONALITY: These people are mentally ill and extremely dangerous! The following precautions will help to protect you from the destructive acts of which they are capable. To recognize them, keep the following guidelines in mind:
(1) They are habitual liars. They seem incapable of either knowing or telling the truth about anything.
(2) They are egotistical to the point of narcissism. They really believe they are set apart from the rest of humanity by some special grace.
(3) They scapegoat; they are incapable of either having the insight or willingness to accept responsibility for anything they do. Whatever the problem, it is always someone else’s fault.
(4) They are remorselessly vindictive when thwarted or exposed.
(5) Genuine religious, moral, or other values play no part in their lives. They have no empathy for others and are capable of violence. Under older psychological terminology, they fall into the category of psychopath or sociopath, but unlike the typical psychopath, their behavior is masked by a superficial social facade.
Sounds like Trump to me.
(And apart from the lack of charm the following “Profile of the Sociopath” sounds a lot like him, too.)
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Faith 
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Message 885 of 5796 (848193)
02-01-2019 4:00 PM
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02-01-2019 3:29 PM


Re: Senate Resolution to Condemn Trump on Foreign Policy
I don't see it. And the "lying" you all impute to him is just not being careful about what he says. That's bad enough, I would agree, but it's not lying, he's getting the information from somewhere and just doesn't check it out. OR, he is often right but doesn't explain his context so leaves himself open for misunderstanding, which of course his opponents jump on.
I found lots on the charm of the narcissistic personalty, don't know why you missed it.
As for the criteria listed in the Narcissism Wikipedia article:
The US psychiatrists Hotchkiss and James F. Masterson identified what they called the seven deadly sins of narcissism:[7]
  • Shamelessness: Narcissists are often proudly and openly shameless; they are not bound by the needs and wishes of others. Narcissists hate shame, and consider it "toxic", as shame implies they are not perfect and need to change. Narcissists prefer guilt over shame, as guilt allows them to dissociate their actions from themselves - it's only their actions that are wrong, while they themselves remain perfect.
  • Magical thinking: Narcissists see themselves as perfect, using distortion and illusion known as magical thinking. They also use projection to "dump" shame onto others.
  • Arrogance: A narcissist who is feeling deflated may "reinflate" their sense of self-importance by diminishing, debasing, or degrading somebody else.
  • Envy: A narcissist may secure a sense of superiority in the face of another person's ability by using contempt to minimize the other person or their achievements.
  • Entitlement: Narcissists hold unreasonable expectations of particularly favorable treatment and automatic compliance because they consider themselves special. Failure to comply is considered an attack on their superiority, and the perpetrator is considered an "awkward" or "difficult" person. Defiance of their will is a narcissistic injury that can trigger narcissistic rage.
  • Exploitation: Can take many forms but always involves the exploitation of others without regard for their feelings or interests. Often the other person is in a subservient position where resistance would be difficult or even impossible. Sometimes the subservience is not so much real as assumed.
  • Bad boundaries: Narcissists do not recognize that they have boundaries and that others are separate and are not extensions of themselves. Others either exist to meet their needs or may as well not exist at all. Those who provide narcissistic supply to the narcissist are treated as if they are part of the narcissist and are expected to live up to those expectations. In the mind of a narcissist, there is no boundary between self and other.
I don't see it. The hatred of Trump that I see everywhere is hatred of his political views that won him this election, and trying to make him out to be some kind of pathological personality is just a way of serving that hatred. Even if one or two of the descriptions on the list could be made to fit, that many would probably fit everybody.
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